Coronavirus COVID-19

[AshevilleApp]

6300. Keep 'em rolling boys!

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Yesterday at a social distancing party I was speaking to a Republican who is voting for Biden this winter (voted Trump in 2016).

He said something that really struck me (non-verbatim):

"Can you imagine if Trump told people to wear a mask and social distance? He'd likely have gone down as one of the greatest Presidents in history, saving tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans and successfully steering the economy through a pandemic. And now he's going to lose in a landslide and go down as one of the worst in history, if not the worst. Some cloth and 6 feet lay between greatness and mediocrity."

As much as Trump completely sucked the last four years, my friend's right. In an alternate history where the US successfully navigates the pandemic, Trump is remembered as a great leader and goes on to win a 2nd term. Naturally though - and unsurprisingly - the man can't get out of his own way.

Laugh all you want, but at least we give a sh*t about each other and America. I'm resigned to getting it at this point (back in the office with three conservative managers who thinks it's NBD, don't wear a mask indoors, get close to you, and God only knows how they act outside work), but I'll be damned if I don't do my best not giving it to loved ones and breaking the chain of transmission.

This will end one day and it'd be nice to get it over with sooner than later. Unlike your snowflake soul who apparently needs human interaction at closer than 6 feet while being indoors, we can suck up being outside at a safe distance when around a bunch of people.

[kalm]

Laugh all you want, but at least we give a sh*t about each other and America. I'm resigned to getting it at this point (back in the office with three conservative managers who thinks it's NBD, don't wear a mask indoors, get close to you, and God only knows how they act outside work), but I'll be damned if I don't do my best not giving it to loved ones and breaking the chain of transmission.

This will end one day and it'd be nice to get it over with sooner than later. Unlike your snowflake soul who apparently needs human interaction at closer than 6 feet while being indoors, we can suck up being outside at a safe distance when around a bunch of people.

I wouldn’t be so fast with that, Trip. Here’s another reason why the “fuck it let’s all just get it and be over it” crowd is mistaken...

“Neurological, respiratory, immune system, and clotting and damage to the kidney, pancreas and lungs have all been experienced.
As the virus spreads more people will become ill and more will survive. We should take advantage of the time to increase our understanding.
Many more people will get COVID and not require hospitalization— by the end of the Summer, it could total 15% of the population.
Some number of these people, even if they didn’t experience symptoms, will find the virus has stayed in their system causing new or nagging sensations. With SARS-Cov-1, chronic fatigue & mental health disorders are still a problem with 40% of people who have recovered.”

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1277 ... 99908.html

[houndawg]

4% of the world's population and 25% of the deaths. Nice healthcare system we have...

[SeattleGriz]

[JohnStOnge]

Geeze this thing makes it tough because you have to be sensitive to everything. Like my son has been in our "group" where we are all careful and see each other. He was in our house and developed hives. He said something about he thinks he might be allergic to chicken. There is a such a thing as chicken allergy (though it's rare). So we told him to spend the night so he wouldn't be alone if things got more serious.

After the fact we decided to see if hives can be a COVID-19 symptom. And, lo and behold, it can. In fact the picture of a case of "Urticaria" at https://covid19.joinzoe.com/us-post/skin-covid looks a lot like what my son was experiencing last night.

Medical staff with my employer said get him tested. My wife called around this morning and he doesn't qualify for testing right now. Test shortage is a factor as things have been taking off in Louisiana and putting pressure on testing capacity. We just have to monitor the situation and see what happens. My wife has a high risk pre-existing condition and she flipping hugged him to comfort him when the hives were going on. Now me and her have to keep our distance within the same house. Meanwhile we still have to tend to her 91 year old mother.

[JohnStOnge]

So THAT'S what happened to the Biden thing I thought I'd posted in the other thread. So now I've replaced it with this text.

[kalm]

Geeze this thing makes it tough because you have to be sensitive to everything. Like my son has been in our "group" where we are all careful and see each other. He was in our house and developed hives. He said something about he thinks he might be allergic to chicken. There is a such a thing as chicken allergy (though it's rare). So we told him to spend the night so he wouldn't be alone if things got more serious.

After the fact we decided to see if hives can be a COVID-19 symptom. And, lo and behold, it can. In fact the picture of a case of "Urticaria" at https://covid19.joinzoe.com/us-post/skin-covid looks a lot like what my son was experiencing last night.

Medical staff with my employer said get him tested. My wife called around this morning and he doesn't qualify for testing right now. Test shortage is a factor as things have been taking off in Louisiana and putting pressure on testing capacity. We just have to monitor the situation and see what happens. My wife has a high risk pre-existing condition and she flipping hugged him to comfort him when the hives were going on. Now me and her have to keep our distance within the same house. Meanwhile we still have to tend to her 91 year old mother.

That sucks John. Positive juju headed your way.

[AshevilleApp]

Geeze this thing makes it tough because you have to be sensitive to everything. Like my son has been in our "group" where we are all careful and see each other. He was in our house and developed hives. He said something about he thinks he might be allergic to chicken. There is a such a thing as chicken allergy (though it's rare). So we told him to spend the night so he wouldn't be alone if things got more serious.

After the fact we decided to see if hives can be a COVID-19 symptom. And, lo and behold, it can. In fact the picture of a case of "Urticaria" at https://covid19.joinzoe.com/us-post/skin-covid looks a lot like what my son was experiencing last night.

Medical staff with my employer said get him tested. My wife called around this morning and he doesn't qualify for testing right now. Test shortage is a factor as things have been taking off in Louisiana and putting pressure on testing capacity. We just have to monitor the situation and see what happens. My wife has a high risk pre-existing condition and she flipping hugged him to comfort him when the hives were going on. Now me and her have to keep our distance within the same house. Meanwhile we still have to tend to her 91 year old mother.

Good luck man.

[SeattleGriz]

Geeze this thing makes it tough because you have to be sensitive to everything. Like my son has been in our "group" where we are all careful and see each other. He was in our house and developed hives. He said something about he thinks he might be allergic to chicken. There is a such a thing as chicken allergy (though it's rare). So we told him to spend the night so he wouldn't be alone if things got more serious.

After the fact we decided to see if hives can be a COVID-19 symptom. And, lo and behold, it can. In fact the picture of a case of "Urticaria" at https://covid19.joinzoe.com/us-post/skin-covid looks a lot like what my son was experiencing last night.

Medical staff with my employer said get him tested. My wife called around this morning and he doesn't qualify for testing right now. Test shortage is a factor as things have been taking off in Louisiana and putting pressure on testing capacity. We just have to monitor the situation and see what happens. My wife has a high risk pre-existing condition and she flipping hugged him to comfort him when the hives were going on. Now me and her have to keep our distance within the same house. Meanwhile we still have to tend to her 91 year old mother.

Keep doing what you need to do. Prayers sent your way.

[Ibanez]

John - I hope the best for your family.


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[JohnStOnge]

I'm hoping he really DOES have a chicken allergy. If it weren't for this COVID thing it'd be a definitely be the top suspect based on what he's told me about what's been going on with him.

But this is what the COVID thing does. I have sniffles and sneezing all the time due to allergies. You cough a couple of times and you wonder. Wouldn't be like that with me but living with two high risk people means I CAN NOT get it.

[AZGrizFan]

The 7 day moving average of new cases was on a stead downward trend until (wait for it......).....June 9th.

Hommm....what happened during the two weeks prior to that that might have caused new case count to skyrocket?

Anybody claiming the riots had nothing to do with the new spiraling case counts are in serious fucking denial.

[AZGrizFan]

Yeah, gee. Wonder what the 20-29 year old age group was doing in the first two weeks of June?

[Gil Dobie]

Do we even know if there is herd immunity to covid.

Lung Disease & Respiratory Health Coronavirus Reference

An Inoperable Tumor In Your Lung
Coronavirus Immunity and Reinfection
With no treatment or vaccine yet for COVID-19, there's been talk of using antibody tests to see when it might be safe to relax social-distancing guidelines. These blood tests can show who's been exposed to the virus and who hasn't. That's important because many people who have COVID-19 have mild or no symptoms.

The hope is that people who've been exposed to the new coronavirus will have immunity to it. When you have immunity, your body can recognize and fight off the virus that causes COVID-19. But it's possible that people who've had COVID-19 can get sick again -- and maybe infect other people.

We don't have enough information yet to know which is the case. But national health organizations are doing research to try to find some answers.


How Do We Become Immune?
When germs enter your body, your immune system springs into action. Here's how it works:

Bacteria and viruses like the one that causes COVID-19 have proteins called antigens on their surfaces. Each type of germ has its own unique antigen.
White blood cells of your immune system make proteins called antibodies to fight the antigen. Antibodies attach to antigens the way a key fits into a lock, and they destroy the invading germ.
Once you've been exposed to a virus, your body makes memory cells. If you're exposed to that same virus again, these cells recognize it. They tell your immune system to make antibodies against it.
Vaccines work in much the same way. They expose your body to an antigen that trains your immune system to fight that germ in the future. Because vaccines contain weakened or killed versions of viruses, you become immune without getting sick.

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If You've Had COVID-19, Are You Immune?
Some countries want to issue "immunity passports" for people who have antibodies to the virus that causes COVID-19, called the SARS-CoV-2 virus. People with these "passports" would be allowed to go back to work and travel because they're supposedly immune to the virus.

But health experts don't yet know whether we really do become immune to COVID-19 after we're infected. And if we do become immune, we don't know how long that might last.

Other types of coronaviruses appear to cause some immunity. Studies show that people are protected against the coronaviruses that cause the common cold for up to a year after an infection. And our bodies have antibodies against the SARS coronavirus for up to 4 years.


Most people who've recovered from COVID-19 do make antibodies against the virus. But so far, there's no evidence that this will protect them against the virus if they're exposed to it again.

In South Korea, more than 160 people tested positive again after they had recovered from COVID-19. In China, 5%-10% of people tested positive again after they'd recovered, according to news reports. It's not clear whether:

These people got infected again
The virus reactivated in their bodies after being quiet for a while, or
The test results were flawed

[AZGrizFan]

Stolen from eGriz:

The following are statements made by Houston hospital CEO’s that summarize their key points –

Dr. Marc Boom with Houston Methodist

“What you’ve been hearing is a report that we are at 97 percent or so capacity across the Texas medical center. At Houston Methodist, we’re somewhere in the low 90s right now in terms of capacity of ICU beds, but let me put that in perspective … June 25 2019, exactly one year ago … It was at 95 percent. We are highly experienced at utilizing our ICU beds for the sickest of the sick patients day in day out … and it is completely normal for us to have ICU capacities that run in the 80s and 90s. That’s how all of us operate hospitals, and how all hospitals operate.”

“The capacity that’s being reported is base capacity … we have the ability to go far higher than that in terms of the ICU beds that we can utilize for COVID.”

“We have, across Houston Methodist, 24 hundred beds 330 or so of those are our ICU beds on a normal day, but there is an ability to flex beds back and forth. We can turn regular beds into ICU as we need to with appropriate staff, ventilators, and other equipment. We can turn many other areas in the hospital like some of the recovery areas, pre and post surgical areas, and places like that into ICUs.”

“We are seeing younger patients, we are seeing a shorter length of stay, we are seeing lower immortality, and we are seeing lower ICU utilization right now.”

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Dr. Doug Lawson with St. Luke’s Health

“Running a major hospital health system is truly as much of an art as it is a science. We work hard to staff to the volumes that we’re seeing on a day to day basis, and if we’re doing our jobs well we’re really matching our staffing to the patients who need us on a day to day basis.”

“The reality is our capacity to care for those patients significantly exceeds what we’re staffing on any given day … we’re also actively planning for anticipated increases over the coming weeks and months.”

As you look at the capacity of the hospitals on a day-to-day basis, it can be a little misleading. The reality is all of us have the ability to significantly expand capacity on a day-to-day, week-to-week, month-to-month basis.”

The spread is increasing and incredibly concerning, however our hospitals are okay and ready to manage this surge appropriately and effectively.”

This is a contrived, overblown, media driven fear porn crisis.

And sadly, the governors are falling for it again.

[kalm]

“ All of the “COVID’s not that bad”, “COVID’s just the flu” & “COVID’s just panic porn” is all compared to what.

The implication is that the cost of trying to combat COVID is just way too high. 2

The complete but temporary cost of managing COVID?

A 99 cent mask
A lot of testing
Contact tracing workforce
Avoiding bars, indoor restaurants & arenas
Paid family leave
Unemployment ins
Symptom checks in airports
Health care for all

Affordable. Very affordable. 3/
What would paying that cost allow?

Most of the economy to be open
including schools

Oh, and it would save lives and reduce hospitalizations. And save our doctors & nurses.”

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1277 ... 64e3%22%7D

[SeattleGriz]

My sister is in the hospital in Missoula with COVID. So far doing okay.

[kalm]

My sister is in the hospital in Missoula with COVID. So far doing okay.

That sucks, dude. Prayers.

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Good thoughts heading her way.

[kalm]

A score above 1 means exponential growth which means a month or longer to start getting things back under control.

The window is closing on summer...

https://rt.live/

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A score above 1 means exponential growth which means a month or longer to start getting things back under control.

The window is closing on summer...

https://rt.live/

How depressing. Look at two months ago and how we well the country was doing in getting a handle on the situation, then a month later (after everyone decided to open and stop caring), it goes up significantly...and now a month after that it's even worse.

Virginia opens up to Phase 3 tomorrow...indoor gatherings up to 1000 people are allowed.

I'm terrified (we've been trending slightly upwards recently). I feel like all the sacrifice is about to go down the drain.

[kalm]

A score above 1 means exponential growth which means a month or longer to start getting things back under control.

The window is closing on summer...

https://rt.live/

How depressing. Look at two months ago and how we well the country was doing in getting a handle on the situation, then a month later (after everyone decided to open and stop caring), it goes up significantly...and now a month after that it's even worse.

Virginia opens up to Phase 3 tomorrow...indoor gatherings up to 1000 people are allowed.

I'm terrified (we've been trending slightly upwards recently). I feel like all the sacrifice is about to go down the drain.

Ugh. That’s just wanton stupidity at this point.

The Spokesman Review ran an article Sunday that many of the new cases are untraceable suggesting community spread here.

We so deserve what we’re getting.

[Gil Dobie]

I'm hoping he really DOES have a chicken allergy. If it weren't for this COVID thing it'd be a definitely be the top suspect based on what he's told me about what's been going on with him.

But this is what the COVID thing does. I have sniffles and sneezing all the time due to allergies. You cough a couple of times and you wonder. Wouldn't be like that with me but living with two high risk people means I CAN NOT get it.

Best wishes John.

[Gil Dobie]

My sister is in the hospital in Missoula with COVID. So far doing okay.

Hoping for a good outcome sg