Trump vs. Biden Part 2

[houndawg]

..most of which goes to US defense contractors..

Neocons on the left and right.

Good for the economy.

[houndawg]

Do laugh at memes and the like that make fun of trump?

Of course

I don't think much of Trump, but I don't denigrate those who do. For those who do, denigrate means to look down on. paraphrasing Bob Newhart

[Caribbean Hen]

Of course

I don't think much of Trump, but I don't denigrate those who do. For those who do, denigrate means to look down on. paraphrasing Bob Newhart

Really …. We didn’t know

[UNI88]

Do you laugh at memes and the like that make fun of trump?

Of course

Can you post or quote an example of something making fun of trump that made you laugh?

I ask because I've seen kalm respond to posts making fun of people/causes he supports emojis demonstrating his sense of humor.

[Caribbean Hen]

Of course

Can you post or quote an example of something making fun of trump that made you laugh?

I ask because I've seen kalm respond to posts making fun of people/causes he supports emojis demonstrating his sense of humor.

You completely whiffed on who CH is

[BDKJMU]

The annual rate doens’t mean shit compared to how much prices are up Biden vs Trump. CPI up 21+. People see prices up closer to 30% for groceries, 40% for eating out, 50% for gas.

-Wages have gone down under Biden (adjusted for inflation) (failed to mention above).

-Mortgage payment have nearly doubled under Biden (failed to mention above). Avg 30 year rate when Trump left office under 2.8%. Now 6.8%.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realest ... r-AA1lsjSr

-Biden created the open border mess (failed to mention above). Never saw anything like it under past conk and donk president.

-Foreign policy has been an unmitigated disaster under Biden (failed to mention above) and there is concern among a sizeable amoubt of the public about whoever is pulling Biden’s strings getting us into another war.

Some perspective on inflation, now ~3.6% year over year, using official Consumer Price Index (CPI) data:

1. Average annual rate since 1950: 3.54%
2. Median (half years higher. half lower): 2.95%.
3. Peak year: 1980 13.50%.

https://x.com/davidcayj/status/17908025 ... LLEdWL4H3w

And as mentioned before…half of the inflation is due to price gouging, corporate bonuses, and stock buy backs.

Careful…you’re sounding like a progressive populist with some of your complaints.

Biden’s 1st 3 years in office avg 5.7% (Jan 2022/2023/2024
7.5%, 6.4%, 3.1%).
-60% higher than the 3.54% since 1950.
-More than TRIPLE the avg annual rate 4 years under Trump (Jan 2018/2019/2020/2021 2.1%, 1.6%, 2.5%, 1.4%)
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/i ... ion-rates/

How cute you believe that,
As has been mentioned before, most inflation is due to
-govt printing & spending too much $$$.
-govt keeping interest rates artifically low for too long..

[BDKJMU]

https://x.com/davidcayj/status/17908025 ... LLEdWL4H3w

And as mentioned before…half of the inflation is due to price gouging, corporate bonuses, and stock buy backs.

Careful…you’re sounding like a progressive populist with some of your complaints.

All the inflation is due to excessive government spending and the increase in the money supply. People are always trying to make as much money as possible (price gouging, corporate bonuses, etc), that's a constant. But when inflation is held in check, the impacts from those things are mild. When we let inflation get out of the barn due to reckless government policies, ala Modern Monetary Theory, then those things become far more problematic. Don't let the economy get off the rails and we'd be fine. This is the equivalent of a train coming off the rails and complaining about the trees being planted there that the train hits while it careens out of control.

I should have read ahead. You beat me to it.

[kalm]

All the inflation is due to excessive government spending and the increase in the money supply. People are always trying to make as much money as possible (price gouging, corporate bonuses, etc), that's a constant. But when inflation is held in check, the impacts from those things are mild. When we let inflation get out of the barn due to reckless government policies, ala Modern Monetary Theory, then those things become far more problematic. Don't let the economy get off the rails and we'd be fine. This is the equivalent of a train coming off the rails and complaining about the trees being planted there that the train hits while it careens out of control.

I should have read ahead. You beat me to it.

Gannon raises for points as I mentioned but to think it’s ALL Biden’s doing is patently false. Starting with Covid and a large scale recession that hasn’t materialized. Then think about anti-trust and see the recent news on Ticketmaster.

Reagan averaged 4.1% while in office. Not all of that was on Reagan.

[GannonFan]

I should have read ahead. You beat me to it.

Gannon raises for points as I mentioned but to think it’s ALL Biden’s doing is patently false. Starting with Covid and a large scale recession that hasn’t materialized. Then think about anti-trust and see the recent news on Ticketmaster.

Reagan averaged 4.1% while in office. Not all of that was on Reagan.

Not apples to apples. Sure, COVID had a huge impact on the economy. But it wasn't like the 1970's impact on the economy that Reagan dealt with. Rather than a decade of stagflation, with underlying issues with the setup of the economy, COVID was the switching off and switching on of the economy. The basic tenets of the economy were good when the switch went off and good when it went back on. There was already plenty of signs that the economy was speeding along just fine well before Trump decided to push through a "relief" bill in his lame duck period in 2020 that plenty of people at the time called unnecessary for an economy that was seemingly doing great. Needless to say, the series of "relief" bills that Biden pushed through months later, much larger than what had already been passed several months ago and much later in the cycle when it was very clear the economy, even absent these historically large government spending sprees, was already soaring, were clearly mistakes in judgment. And it's not Monday-morning QB'ing here, people across the spectrum were warning that we were risking inflation by spending so much on an economy that was already torrid. We then had the administration, for almost a year, deny that inflation was really happening and it was all just a blip in the data, transitory even. Real wages being lower now than at the start of this administration may be "transitory" in the long arc of human history, but it sure makes people unhappy economically in the short term.

And no, it's not ALL Biden's fault. As I've said, I doubt he's even steering the ship in this administration anyway - we're closer now to that last year Wilson was in the White House and his wife and doctor were running things than ever before (well, except for that last year or two of the Reagan years, he was clearly not up for the job any longer either back then). And I've been very clear that the Fed's reluctance to increase interest rates much earlier has been a contributing factor in letting inflation get out of hand. Very few things are ALL related to one person, but Biden does share a good portion of the blame, especially since he wants the attention with the Bidenomics slogan. History, economic history, will not be kind to this administration.

[kalm]

Gannon raises for points as I mentioned but to think it’s ALL Biden’s doing is patently false. Starting with Covid and a large scale recession that hasn’t materialized. Then think about anti-trust and see the recent news on Ticketmaster.

Reagan averaged 4.1% while in office. Not all of that was on Reagan.

Not apples to apples. Sure, COVID had a huge impact on the economy. But it wasn't like the 1970's impact on the economy that Reagan dealt with. Rather than a decade of stagflation, with underlying issues with the setup of the economy, COVID was the switching off and switching on of the economy. The basic tenets of the economy were good when the switch went off and good when it went back on. There was already plenty of signs that the economy was speeding along just fine well before Trump decided to push through a "relief" bill in his lame duck period in 2020 that plenty of people at the time called unnecessary for an economy that was seemingly doing great. Needless to say, the series of "relief" bills that Biden pushed through months later, much larger than what had already been passed several months ago and much later in the cycle when it was very clear the economy, even absent these historically large government spending sprees, was already soaring, were clearly mistakes in judgment. And it's not Monday-morning QB'ing here, people across the spectrum were warning that we were risking inflation by spending so much on an economy that was already torrid. We then had the administration, for almost a year, deny that inflation was really happening and it was all just a blip in the data, transitory even. Real wages being lower now than at the start of this administration may be "transitory" in the long arc of human history, but it sure makes people unhappy economically in the short term.

And no, it's not ALL Biden's fault. As I've said, I doubt he's even steering the ship in this administration anyway - we're closer now to that last year Wilson was in the White House and his wife and doctor were running things than ever before (well, except for that last year or two of the Reagan years, he was clearly not up for the job any longer either back then). And I've been very clear that the Fed's reluctance to increase interest rates much earlier has been a contributing factor in letting inflation get out of hand. Very few things are ALL related to one person, but Biden does share a good portion of the blame, especially since he wants the attention with the Bidenomics slogan. History, economic history, will not be kind to this administration.

Wait…you’re not really saying post covid was a simple switch back on scenario to the pre-covid economy are you? There are things both good and bad that are changed forever. There has been further consolidation of some industries. Mom and pop places that are forever closed now. Supply chain issues. War. Without even getting into the details or the effects that will last decades.

Change is a universal law of nature. Economics too.

All presidential economic comparisons are apples to oranges to an extent. It’s mostly just a fun game we all play to score points.

[Caribbean Hen]

https://x.com/davidcayj/status/17908025 ... LLEdWL4H3w

And as mentioned before…half of the inflation is due to price gouging, corporate bonuses, and stock buy backs.

Careful…you’re sounding like a progressive populist with some of your complaints.

Biden’s 1st 3 years in office avg 5.7% (Jan 2022/2023/2024
7.5%, 6.4%, 3.1%).
-60% higher than the 3.54% since 1950.
-More than TRIPLE the avg annual rate 4 years under Trump (Jan 2018/2019/2020/2021 2.1%, 1.6%, 2.5%, 1.4%)
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/i ... ion-rates/

How cute you believe that,
As has been mentioned before, most inflation is due to
-govt printing & spending too much $$$.
-govt keeping interest rates artifically low for too long..

Yes indeed… rates need to go up but no way they have the stones to do it….Powell has thrown in the towel

Crash will happen on Trumps watch and Biden just don’t care … or worse, is actually setting things up to ensure it crashes on Trumps watch, that’s how vindictive Joey Rotten is

[houndawg]

https://x.com/davidcayj/status/17908025 ... LLEdWL4H3w

And as mentioned before…half of the inflation is due to price gouging, corporate bonuses, and stock buy backs.

Careful…you’re sounding like a progressive populist with some of your complaints.

Biden’s 1st 3 years in office avg 5.7% (Jan 2022/2023/2024
7.5%, 6.4%, 3.1%).
-60% higher than the 3.54% since 1950.
-More than TRIPLE the avg annual rate 4 years under Trump (Jan 2018/2019/2020/2021 2.1%, 1.6%, 2.5%, 1.4%)
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/i ... ion-rates/

How cute you believe that,
As has been mentioned before, most inflation is due to
-govt printing & spending too much $$$.
-govt keeping interest rates artifically low for too long..

3.54% since 1950?

Dude. You're from fucking Mars. We were happy to find a 10.5% mortgage in 1987. Must have been before your dad's condom failed.

[BDKJMU]

Biden’s 1st 3 years in office avg 5.7% (Jan 2022/2023/2024
7.5%, 6.4%, 3.1%).
-60% higher than the 3.54% since 1950.
-More than TRIPLE the avg annual rate 4 years under Trump (Jan 2018/2019/2020/2021 2.1%, 1.6%, 2.5%, 1.4%)
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/i ... ion-rates/

How cute you believe that,
As has been mentioned before, most inflation is due to
-govt printing & spending too much $$$.
-govt keeping interest rates artifically low for too long..

3.54% since 1950?

Dude. You're from fucking Mars. We were happy to find a 10.5% mortgage in 1987. Must have been before your dad's condom failed.

The 3.54% since 1950 was from your boy Kalm..

Some perspective on inflation, now ~3.6% year over year, using official Consumer Price Index (CPI) data:

1. Average annual rate since 1950: 3.54%
2. Median (half years higher. half lower): 2.95%.
3. Peak year: 1980 13.50%.

https://x.com/davidcayj/status/17908025 ... LLEdWL4H3w

And as mentioned before…half of the inflation is due to price gouging, corporate bonuses, and stock buy backs.

Careful…you’re sounding like a progressive populist with some of your complaints.

And we were talking inflation, not interest rates. Imagine that, the 2 biggest numbers retards in CS history both from Illinois.

[BDKJMU]

Tell me you don't understand libertarianism without telling me you don't understand libertarianism.

A Libertarian candidate appeals to fiscal conservatives who want small government and a balanced budget.

Libertarians believe in the freedom of individuals and companies whether that applies to being transgender, vaccine mandates, or open borders.

I'm a small L libertarian because I don't agree with everything they support (like open borders) but I respect their principled consistency. They don't just give lip service to individual and organizational freedom like trump and his MAQA yahoos.

This is a Libertarian? Yuck

Should of just nominated Kathy La Bruja Hoetchel,

If there was ever a year when the Libertarians could at least get to double digits, it would be this year. They would have been better off nominating boot on head guy again than this guy.

[houndawg]

3.54% since 1950?

Dude. You're from fucking Mars. We were happy to find a 10.5% mortgage in 1987. Must have been before your dad's condom failed.

The 3.54% since 1950 was from your boy Kalm..

https://x.com/davidcayj/status/17908025 ... LLEdWL4H3w

And as mentioned before…half of the inflation is due to price gouging, corporate bonuses, and stock buy backs.

Careful…you’re sounding like a progressive populist with some of your complaints.

And we were talking inflation, not interest rates. Imagine that, the 2 biggest numbers retards in CS history both from Illinois.

yet here you are citing one of them as a source...

Tell us again what a "numbers guy" you are...

[houndawg]

This is a Libertarian? Yuck

Should of just nominated Kathy La Bruja Hoetchel,

If there was ever a year when the Libertarians could at least get to double digits, it would be this year. They would have been better off nominating boot on head guy again than this guy.

And where are those double-digits going to come from....?never trumpers and Nikki Haley voters

[houndawg]

3.54% since 1950?

Dude. You're from fucking Mars. We were happy to find a 10.5% mortgage in 1987. Must have been before your dad's condom failed.

The 3.54% since 1950 was from your boy Kalm..

https://x.com/davidcayj/status/17908025 ... LLEdWL4H3w

And as mentioned before…half of the inflation is due to price gouging, corporate bonuses, and stock buy backs.

Careful…you’re sounding like a progressive populist with some of your complaints.

And we were talking inflation, not interest rates. Imagine that, the 2 biggest numbers retards in CS history both from Illinois.

..my bad, I should have waited until I recovered from the laughing fit beore replying.

[BDKJMU]

After all the hubub of the last 24-+ hr, the betting markets have swing close to 1/2 way back to where they were before the verdict.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/bettin ... /president

Election Betting Odds was 53.6% Trump/to 38.1% Biden several hours before the verdict. After the verict Trump dropped to around 49%, and Biden went above 42%. Now its around 51% to 41%
https://electionbettingodds.com/

[BDKJMU]

[UNI88]

New poll finds 49% of independents and 15% of Republicans think Trump should end campaign after conviction

A new poll shows that nearly half of independent voters and some Republicans want Donald Trump to end his presidential campaign.

A Morningside Consult poll from Friday said that 49 percent of independent voters and 15 percent of Republican voters want Trump to end his 2024 bid after his felony conviction. However, just 8 percent of Trump supporters said they want his campaign to end. Their poll also demonstrated that 54 percent of voters approve of the historic verdict.

[Caribbean Hen]

New poll finds 49% of independents and 15% of Republicans think Trump should end campaign after conviction

A new poll shows that nearly half of independent voters and some Republicans want Donald Trump to end his presidential campaign.

A Morningside Consult poll from Friday said that 49 percent of independent voters and 15 percent of Republican voters want Trump to end his 2024 bid after his felony conviction. However, just 8 percent of Trump supporters said they want his campaign to end. Their poll also demonstrated that 54 percent of voters approve of the historic verdict.

What are the numbers on the Democrats wanting Joey Rotten to end his campaign?

[UNI88]

[UNI88]

[UNI88]

[kalm]