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Now that Bernie’s the front runner let the minimization begin!

“He didn’t really mean that”

“You shouldn’t take him literally”

It sounds oddly familiar

Who's saying that? The dem establishment? The "liberal" media?

Fuck em.

[CID1990]

Now that Bernie’s the front runner let the minimization begin!

“He didn’t really mean that”

“You shouldn’t take him literally”

It sounds oddly familiar

Who's saying that? The dem establishment? The "liberal" media?

Fuck em.

Krugman, for one


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/13/opin ... ticleShare

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I can't read it, but Sanders isn't a socialist and doesn't pretend to be one. He's a progressive liberal, and isn't even that far-left.

Americans (although mostly older ones) have no idea what socialism actually is. Sanders isn't it.

[kalm]

Now that Bernie’s the front runner let the minimization begin!

“He didn’t really mean that”

“You shouldn’t take him literally”

It sounds oddly familiar


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Assuming the Dem establishment will unify around him. “Centrists” fear Bernie as much as they fear Republicans. There’s still enough time to do him some damage and hand it Trump.

[Chizzang]

[Chizzang]

We need not look far to find huge examples:
Corporate Profits are the most important thing in America (See: Boeing)
the lives of the meek are meaningless in relation to cost over runs and stock value

What scares Fox News pundits
Is that somebody like Bernie Sanders asks really simple questions
like why is stock value more important than human lives and American citizens ?

Corporate profits have never been higher in the history of human existence


and human productivity is at an all time high


So at what point does a system built on increased human productivity and massive corporate profit relent to human dignity ?

Maybe the answer is never... but we're going to find out

[Skjellyfetti]

Who’s “they”?

Who do you think?

[kalm]

We need not look far to find huge examples:
Corporate Profits are the most important thing in America (See: Boeing)
the lives of the meek are meaningless in relation to cost over runs and stock value

What scares Fox News pundits
Is that somebody like Bernie Sanders asks really simple questions
like why is stock value more important than human lives and American citizens ?

Corporate profits have never been higher in the history of human existence


and human productivity is at an all time high


So at what point does a system built on increased human productivity and massive corporate profit relent to human dignity ?

Maybe the answer is never... but we're going to find out

Commie.

[BDKJMU]

Where the doctor will see you in 6 months..

[SeattleGriz]

I agree with MJ. End farm entitlements. End crop insurance subsidies. End the ethanol mandates. Farmers are the biggest bunch of spoiled crybabies. Currently have 4 farmer friends that are all in tropical locations right now for "seed" meetings so they can write off the trips. The family farm thing is a myth. They're all corporations now for tax purposes even though it might just be one guy farming or a father and son. Plus many have multiple farm corporations to make it harder to publicly track how much they receive in subsidies.

There are still some small farms in North Dakota. Most don't take any of the subsidies. My brother just retired from farming and he did pretty good not taking subsidies, but his wife was also working, and had a good job. He will be renting his land out to a couple young farmers. Future of farming is corporate farming and it will be just like the rest of corporate america. Lawyers, accountants and tax right-offs. Maybe we'll see $100 loaves of bread in the future, just like $200 insulin.

We don't farm either. Lease out our farmland to family and let our "partner" manage our cattle. Doesn't help the farm is in the extreme NE part of Montana (Plentywood). That's too far for us to take an active part in farming.

[SeattleGriz]

Where the doctor will see you in 6 months..

Agreed. I went to Canada to get my detached retina repaired and was told after my assessment to keep a watch on it and they would see me in six months for treatment. Fortunately, my detachment was stable.

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I can live with longer wait times if it means everyone has access to healthcare which doesn't put 'em in crippling debt. Raise my taxes too.

Plus universal healthcare is a net positive on an economy.

[UNI88]

I can't read it, but Sanders isn't a socialist and doesn't pretend to be one. He's a progressive liberal, and isn't even that far-left.

Americans (although mostly older ones) have no idea what socialism actually is. Sanders isn't it.

So what is socialism?

And saying that mostly older Americans have no idea what socialism is is bigotry.

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Does Sanders want common ownership of the means of production? No, therefore he's not a socialist.

People only consider him a radical 'cause the US has moved so far right towards neoliberal policies that they think ho-hum items elsewhere such as stronger social and environmental programs, higher taxes on the rich, and stricter corporate/banking regulations is somehow an extreme position to take.

Truth is that Sanders' populist support (and Trump's) is largely a reaction to the failure of privatization, deregulation, fiscal austerity, free market fundamentalism, and "free" trade policies that decimated the working class of the country.

It doesn't matter if Sanders wins or loses though; the shift left has started and there's very little stopping it now. 2016 planted the seed, the roots took hold last year, and we'll see if it blooms in November.

[kalm]

Does Sanders want common ownership of the means of production? No, therefore he's not a socialist.

People only consider him a radical 'cause the US has moved so far right towards neoliberal policies that they think ho-hum items elsewhere such as stronger social and environmental programs, higher taxes on the rich, and stricter corporate/banking regulations is somehow an extreme position to take.

Truth is that Sanders' populist support (and Trump's) is largely a reaction to the failure of privatization, deregulation, fiscal austerity, free market fundamentalism, and "free" trade policies that decimated the working class of the country.

It doesn't matter if Sanders wins or loses though; the shift left has started and there's very little stopping it now. 2016 planted the seed, the roots took hold last year, and we'll see if it blooms in November.

Good post.

[UNI88]

Does Sanders want common ownership of the means of production? No, therefore he's not a socialist.

People only consider him a radical 'cause the US has moved so far right towards neoliberal policies that they think ho-hum items elsewhere such as stronger social and environmental programs, higher taxes on the rich, and stricter corporate/banking regulations is somehow an extreme position to take.

Truth is that Sanders' populist support (and Trump's) is largely a reaction to the failure of privatization, deregulation, fiscal austerity, free market fundamentalism, and "free" trade policies that decimated the working class of the country.

It doesn't matter if Sanders wins or loses though; the shift left has started and there's very little stopping it now. 2016 planted the seed, the roots took hold last year, and we'll see if it blooms in November.

Good post.

Except he's wrong. The US hasn't moved to the right unless you're talking about just what we've done over the last 3 years in very slightly rolling back a fraction of the leftward movement that the US has made over the last 80-100 years. And those 3 years are a pimple on a gnat's ass compared to our entire history and the overall direction of the country. It tells me a lot about his butt hurt over Trump's 2016 election and his lack of understanding of American cultural identity and what made us great (voluntary communal effort with individual responsibility).

I think Sanders does want central government (let's not try to sugar coat it by using words like common) ownership of the means of production and so do you. If you didn't, why would you state "failure of privatization"? Those things you deride have not "decimated the working class of the country." They have made us the greatest country on the planet and have helped raise the standard of living here and in other countries around the world. Have the increases been equal? No. Are there inequities in the system that should be addressed? Yes. Should we throw it all out because it isn't perfect for any semblance of a system that has failed repeatedly? Absolutely not! Don't point to the Nordic countries as an example of countries with working social welfare programs. Those programs work because they are funded by the engine that is free-market capitalism.

What would the impact be if we went back in time 50 years and implemented the programs that you so desire and kept federal tax rates (70%) where they were? Would Bill Gates & Paul Allen have busted their butts to start Microsoft or would they have worked for IBM for 40 years and retired with a gold watch? Would the Steves have started Apple? Why put so much time in and risk your future if the government is going to take 3/4 of what you get? I would rather be poor in the US than middle-class in Venezuala or the old USSR. I will take a higher standard of living with inequal financial results over a lower standard of living and equal financial results.

And I'm all for a social safety net, environmental protections, and equal opportunities. I'm not for equal results.

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The US is not the greatest nation on Earth and that statement is simply a delusion of American exceptionalism.

The standard of living is higher in plenty of other first world nations, with better freedoms and protections that real democratic institutions (which the US lacks) afford you.

[Skjellyfetti]

What would the impact be if we went back in time 50 years and implemented the programs that you so desire and kept federal tax rates (70%) where they were? Would Bill Gates & Paul Allen have busted their butts to start Microsoft or would they have worked for IBM for 40 years and retired with a gold watch? Would the Steves have started Apple? Why put so much time in and risk your future if the government is going to take 3/4 of what you get?

This makes no sense.

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And the US has absolutely moved to the right...this nation grew out of the New Deal, unions, taxing the rich, heavy government investments into science, medicine, and education, implementing a federal minimum wage which kept up with inflation, etc.

Neoliberal policies born out of Reaganism have completely destroyed this nation's middle and lower class. The rich are hording wealth, pension plans are practically gone, people can't afford going to the doctor, kids go into tens of thousands of dollars into debt for a an education, buying power has decreased, we've become a rent-nation, US debt is at an all time high, should we go on?

[UNI88]

The US is not the greatest nation on Earth and that statement is simply a delusion of American exceptionalism.

The standard of living is higher in plenty of other first world nations, with better freedoms and protections that real democratic institutions (which the US lacks) afford you.

I believe it is and my opinion is no less valid than yours. I can respect your opinion, why can't you respect mine?

[UNI88]

And the US has absolutely moved to the right...this nation grew out of the New Deal, unions, taxing the rich, heavy government investments into science, medicine, and education, implementing a federal minimum wage which kept up with inflation, etc.

Neoliberal policies born out of Reaganism have absolutely destroyed this nation.

The country has not moved to the right if you consider the entirety of its history and overall trends.

This country was stagnating in the 70's, Reaganism helped to free it from the lethargy and governmental restrictions that were holding it back. This country has succeeded because it has been able to balance social welfare and individual responsibility.

There are a lot of people who disagree with you, the only way the change that you think is coming will happen in your lifetime is with bloodshed. If you're willing to tear this country apart to get what you want then you don't truly love it or appreciate everything it has to offer.

This nation has not been destroyed, not even close. If you feel so strongly that it has why do you stay?

[UNI88]

What would the impact be if we went back in time 50 years and implemented the programs that you so desire and kept federal tax rates (70%) where they were? Would Bill Gates & Paul Allen have busted their butts to start Microsoft or would they have worked for IBM for 40 years and retired with a gold watch? Would the Steves have started Apple? Why put so much time in and risk your future if the government is going to take 3/4 of what you get?

This makes no sense to me.

FYP

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Oh lord love that argument: "If you don't like it then leave." Yeah that's always healthy...give up if you don't like something instead of improving it.

I've said it many times now: America is my friends, my neighbors, my family, my coworkers, my teachers and doctors and accountants, etc. The Constitution isn't America. The land isn't America. The history isn't America. The people are America. That's why I love it.

[Chizzang]

We do need to seriously evaluate a system where Americans are more productive than ever before in history
and Corporate America is making more money than ever before

1) and wages are flat
2) homes are more expensive than ever
3) wages are flat
4) College Education is more expensive then ever
5) Wages are flat
6) healthcare is broken
8) we're the world police at an unreasonably high expense
9) Our infrastructure is below the entirety of Europe and Japan

This seems like something should change
and Trump obsessed with Deregulation and Wall Street profits

He's not "The Answer" to a crumbling America
We're not Number one in anything - but corporate profits, guns, bombs and global military bases

We trail in
Middle class wages
Infrastructure hardware
Infrastructure Technology
Healthcare
Education

[UNI88]

Oh lord love that argument: "If you don't like it then leave." Yeah that's always healthy...give up if you don't like something instead of improving it.

I've said it many times now: America is my friends, my neighbors, my family, my coworkers, my teachers and doctors and accountants, etc. The Constitution isn't America. The land isn't America. The history isn't America. The people are America. That's why I love it.

But you're willing to risk destroying it in order to improve it?

The Constitution isn't America but it is a key part of the framework that lead us to the America that I love. And I have significantly more faith in what the founders created than I do in anything today's politicians might try and replace it with.

And the shift to the right that has you so freaked out is quite normal. We've been adding social programs over time but it has not been a straight line trend to the left. We have gone back and forth several times over history and the recent move to the right is a correction, not a disaster. Like most corrections, it probably went a little further in one direction than it should have just like you advocate for corrections that you want to go further than they should.

IMO, the success of this country is not because of the "progressive" programs that you so love. It is because of the balance between the left and the right and the give-and-take battle between those approaches.