The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

[SDHornet]

[GannonFan]

We're in a repeat of the worst stretch of Presidents in US history. Trump did his best Millard Filmore impersonation, Biden is nailing his Franklin Pierce mode, and God only know who will step in to be Buchanan after the next election. On the bright side, maybe there's a Lincoln somewhere on the horizon, but it's still pretty far away.

[UNI88]

We're in a repeat of the worst stretch of Presidents in US history. Trump did his best Millard Filmore impersonation, Biden is nailing his Franklin Pierce mode, and God only know who will step in to be Buchanan after the next election. On the bright side, maybe there's a Lincoln somewhere on the horizon, but it's still pretty far away.

Trump didn't Make America Great Again?

Biden probably isn't going to Build Back Better?

Could Kamala be Buchanan?

This is frighteningly true.

[Ivytalk]

We're in a repeat of the worst stretch of Presidents in US history. Trump did his best Millard Filmore impersonation, Biden is nailing his Franklin Pierce mode, and God only know who will step in to be Buchanan after the next election. On the bright side, maybe there's a Lincoln somewhere on the horizon, but it's still pretty far away.

And GannonFan is that Lincoln!

[Ivytalk]

Democrat spin: collectively, our POTUS and VPOTUS have a 66% approval rating!

[Ibanez]

We're in a repeat of the worst stretch of Presidents in US history. Trump did his best Millard Filmore impersonation, Biden is nailing his Franklin Pierce mode, and God only know who will step in to be Buchanan after the next election. On the bright side, maybe there's a Lincoln somewhere on the horizon, but it's still pretty far away.

Trump didn't Make America Great Again?

Biden probably isn't going to Build Back Better?

Could Kamala be Buchanan?

This is frighteningly true.

I'd take a Buchanan over a Harding.

[GannonFan]

Trump didn't Make America Great Again?

Biden probably isn't going to Build Back Better?

Could Kamala be Buchanan?

This is frighteningly true.

I'd take a Buchanan over a Harding.

At least Harding had the good sense to die in office and not serve his whole term. Buchanan was there to the bitter end, and wasn't very helpful.

[Ibanez]

I'd take a Buchanan over a Harding.

At least Harding had the good sense to die in office and not serve his whole term. Buchanan was there to the bitter end, and wasn't very helpful.

But Harding was a corrupt SOB. He was a slacker - Inaugurated in March and then went on vacation until December. Promised to have the "best minds". Sound familiar?


HIs appointment of Herbert Hoover was one of this best decisions. And say what you want about Hoover's presidential administration - the guy was actually a really good administrator. His work with the FDA during WW1 shouldn't be overlooked or discounted. He was an engineer and politically clueless. His failure to realize the severity of the Depression is a blight on his record but shouldn't be the only thing considered when you look at the scope of what he was involved in.

[Winterborn]

But Harding was a corrupt SOB. He was a slacker - Inaugurated in March and then went on vacation until December. Promised to have the "best minds". Sound familiar?


HIs appointment of Herbert Hoover was one of this best decisions. And say what you want about Hoover's presidential administration - the guy was actually a really good administrator. His work with the FDA during WW1 shouldn't be overlooked or discounted. He was an engineer and politically clueless. His failure to realize the severity of the Depression is a blight on his record but shouldn't be the only thing considered when you look at the scope of what he was involved in.

He was ahead of his time.

[GannonFan]

At least Harding had the good sense to die in office and not serve his whole term. Buchanan was there to the bitter end, and wasn't very helpful.

But Harding was a corrupt SOB. He was a slacker - Inaugurated in March and then went on vacation until December. Promised to have the "best minds". Sound familiar?


HIs appointment of Herbert Hoover was one of this best decisions. And say what you want about Hoover's presidential administration - the guy was actually a really good administrator. His work with the FDA during WW1 shouldn't be overlooked or discounted. He was an engineer and politically clueless. His failure to realize the severity of the Depression is a blight on his record but shouldn't be the only thing considered when you look at the scope of what he was involved in.

Generally Harding picked good people (besides Hoover he also went with Mellon and Hughes, all good picks) except for the two guys that burned him in the Teapot Dome scandal. I don't think Harding's really been evaluated that much in depth, a lot of the negativity on him is contemporary in nature, and tinged by the Great Depression a decade after his administration. He wasn't a great President, but I think much farther from the bottom where some people put him. Buchanan was basically Nero playing a fiddle while the country was about to burn - I think Harding's better than that.

[Ibanez]

But Harding was a corrupt SOB. He was a slacker - Inaugurated in March and then went on vacation until December. Promised to have the "best minds". Sound familiar?


HIs appointment of Herbert Hoover was one of this best decisions. And say what you want about Hoover's presidential administration - the guy was actually a really good administrator. His work with the FDA during WW1 shouldn't be overlooked or discounted. He was an engineer and politically clueless. His failure to realize the severity of the Depression is a blight on his record but shouldn't be the only thing considered when you look at the scope of what he was involved in.

Generally Harding picked good people (besides Hoover he also went with Mellon and Hughes, all good picks) except for the two guys that burned him in the Teapot Dome scandal. I don't think Harding's really been evaluated that much in depth, a lot of the negativity on him is contemporary in nature, and tinged by the Great Depression a decade after his administration. He wasn't a great President, but I think much farther from the bottom where some people put him. Buchanan was basically Nero playing a fiddle while the country was about to burn - I think Harding's better than that.

Tea Pot was just one scandal. The Ohio Gang was notorious in the Justice Department and the VA. One of those guys fled to Europe! Forbes ( i think that's his name) was probably the worst.

[GannonFan]

Generally Harding picked good people (besides Hoover he also went with Mellon and Hughes, all good picks) except for the two guys that burned him in the Teapot Dome scandal. I don't think Harding's really been evaluated that much in depth, a lot of the negativity on him is contemporary in nature, and tinged by the Great Depression a decade after his administration. He wasn't a great President, but I think much farther from the bottom where some people put him. Buchanan was basically Nero playing a fiddle while the country was about to burn - I think Harding's better than that.

Tea Pot was just one scandal. The Ohio Gang was notorious in the Justice Department and the VA. One of those guys fled to Europe! Forbes ( i think that's his name) was probably the worst.

Yeah, but Harding's reputation was maybe even more impacted by people writing about his extramarital affairs. People didn't like that in the 1920's and the social slander was significant.

[Ibanez]

Tea Pot was just one scandal. The Ohio Gang was notorious in the Justice Department and the VA. One of those guys fled to Europe! Forbes ( i think that's his name) was probably the worst.

Yeah, but Harding's reputation was maybe even more impacted by people writing about his extramarital affairs. People didn't like that in the 1920's and the social slander was significant.

That's true - maybe he should've honored his vows and not dipped his wick in everything.


Btw - debating who is the worst is kinda silly. Revisionist history aside - Harding wasn't much of a president and put the wrong people in positions of power. He's lucky he died before a lot of the facts came out about Teapot Dome and the other KStreet shenanigans.

[houndawg]

But Harding was a corrupt SOB. He was a slacker - Inaugurated in March and then went on vacation until December. Promised to have the "best minds". Sound familiar?


HIs appointment of Herbert Hoover was one of this best decisions. And say what you want about Hoover's presidential administration - the guy was actually a really good administrator. His work with the FDA during WW1 shouldn't be overlooked or discounted. He was an engineer and politically clueless. His failure to realize the severity of the Depression is a blight on his record but shouldn't be the only thing considered when you look at the scope of what he was involved in.

He was ahead of his time.

He was Exhibit A of why engineers aren't a good fit for politics

[houndawg]

Ah, we're back to polls mattering again? How about the stock market? Did that stop mattering again this year?

[SDHornet]

Ah, we're back to polls mattering again? How about the stock market? Did that stop mattering again this year?

Butthurt again?

[Winterborn]

He was ahead of his time.

He was Exhibit A of why engineers aren't a good fit for politics

Some to most. There are a few practicing engineers I know who would be a good fit for politics. They have a good mind for business and the people skills to back it up.

[JohnStOnge]

I'm sure you have all seen and/or heard this:



It made me wonder if maybe Trump actually believes what he's saying. Either way, I have to shake my head at the idea that ANYBODY would want somebody like that to be anywhere near the Presidency. There are two possibliities:

1) Trump knows better and is lying even though the lying us doing significant damage to the country.

2) Trump is completely delusional and out of touch with reality.

Either one is really bad. If 2 is true, we are talking about a guy who had access to all sorts of information from federal security, intelligence, and law enforcement agencies. All those agencies were telling him the truth: Biden legitimately won the election. But he refused to believe it and went with what people like Sidney Powell were telling him because he did not want to accept the truth. Having a President who is going to disregard all the information he's getting from his federal support infrastructure because it's no what he wants to hear is a really, really bad idea.

My guess is 1 is true. That would be consistent with Trump's lifetime modus operandi. But, again, one really has to question anybody voting for somebody like that being President. And we've got 47% who did that. We have a serious population quality problem.

[JohnStOnge]

Democrat spin: collectively, our POTUS and VPOTUS have a 66% approval rating!

it's a poll on the extreme bad side of the bad side for Democrats. But there's no question it's bad for them right now. The Real Clear Politics (RCP) average for Biden right now is 42% approve vs. 52.5% disapprove. Still bad at -10.7 percentage points, but not as bad as the -19 percentage points in that individual poll.

I don't see a RCP average for Harris Job Approval, but she's about in the same place, at 40.6% favorably vs. 50.8% unfavorably as Trump, at 40.7% favorably vs. 51.9% unfavorably, is in terms of favorability. Biden is a 42.8% favorably vs. 51.6% unfavorably.

It is notable that the very recent ABC News/Washington Post poll also has Biden at the extreme bad end of the body of polls. You may recall that I consider that to be the best single poll and it does have Biden at 38% approve vs. 57% disapprove.

That's the way it goes. Those of us who care about the country will just have to hope things happen to change the dynamic and keep Republicans out of power.

[LeadBolt]

Another poll with more detail. Biden is following his mind into the sunset. Job approval for all likely voters -15, among those with strong opinions-28

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public ... rack_nov12

Poll on direction of country, 30% approve.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public ... icalimpact

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[JohnStOnge]

I took a look at the ABC News/Washington Post poll conducted November 7 - 10 ( It is consistent with an ongoing theme: Biden and the Democrats are not doing well in terms of overall perception, but if you look at the specifics of what they want to do and issues there is solid support for what they want to do and their side of the issues. Here are some examples of how respondents broke with respect to some questions.

Do you support or oppose the federal government spending one trillion dollars on roads, bridges and other infrastructure?

Support 63%, Oppose 32%

Do you support or oppose the federal government spending about two trillion dollars to address climate change and to create or expand preschool, health care and other social programs?

Support 58%, Oppose 37%

Do you think the federal government should or should not regulate the release of greenhouse gases from sources like power plants, cars and factories in an effort to reduce global warming?

Should be Regulated 70%, Should not be Regulated 24%

How much do you think public schools should teach about how the history of racism affects America today - a great deal, a good amount, not so much or not at all?

A great deal/A good amount 70%, Not so much/Not at all 27%

An interesting contrast is that, when the Republicans were doing their thing during Trump's first year, the majority of people in the US opposed the content of what they were trying to do. The majority opposed the Republican tax cut as well as Trump's border wall, for instance. See https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/th ... tax-hikes/ and https://www.cato.org/commentary/america ... heir-minds.

So, in the abstract, the majority of the public appears to think "Democrat bad." But if you get to specific proposals and issues, the majority of the public is on the Democrat side. The Democrats need to try as hard as they can to make people focus on the specific issues and their proposals. It's a heavy lift but I don't know what else they can do.

Let's hope they can find a way because the Republican Party is bat-shit crazy right now and this country does NOT need to have those nut jobs in charge.

[Ivytalk]

Democrat spin: collectively, our POTUS and VPOTUS have a 66% approval rating!

it's a poll on the extreme bad side of the bad side for Democrats. But there's no question it's bad for them right now. The Real Clear Politics (RCP) average for Biden right now is 42% approve vs. 52.5% disapprove. Still bad at -10.7 percentage points, but not as bad as the -19 percentage points in that individual poll.

I don't see a RCP average for Harris Job Approval, but she's about in the same place, at 40.6% favorably vs. 50.8% unfavorably as Trump, at 40.7% favorably vs. 51.9% unfavorably, is in terms of favorability. Biden is a 42.8% favorably vs. 51.6% unfavorably.

It is notable that the very recent ABC News/Washington Post poll also has Biden at the extreme bad end of the body of polls. You may recall that I consider that to be the best single poll and it does have Biden at 38% approve vs. 57% disapprove.

That's the way it goes. Those of us who care about the country will just have to hope things happen to change the dynamic and keep Republicans out of power.

Yeah, StWronge. Keep talking. I note you never claim to be a conservative anymore. You’ve come out of the Donk closet.

[JohnStOnge]

it's a poll on the extreme bad side of the bad side for Democrats. But there's no question it's bad for them right now. The Real Clear Politics (RCP) average for Biden right now is 42% approve vs. 52.5% disapprove. Still bad at -10.7 percentage points, but not as bad as the -19 percentage points in that individual poll.

I don't see a RCP average for Harris Job Approval, but she's about in the same place, at 40.6% favorably vs. 50.8% unfavorably as Trump, at 40.7% favorably vs. 51.9% unfavorably, is in terms of favorability. Biden is a 42.8% favorably vs. 51.6% unfavorably.

It is notable that the very recent ABC News/Washington Post poll also has Biden at the extreme bad end of the body of polls. You may recall that I consider that to be the best single poll and it does have Biden at 38% approve vs. 57% disapprove.

That's the way it goes. Those of us who care about the country will just have to hope things happen to change the dynamic and keep Republicans out of power.

Yeah, StWronge. Keep talking. I note you never claim to be a conservative anymore. You’ve come out of the Donk closet.

I am extremely conservative philosophically. But the Republican Party is bat shit crazy right now and is a danger to the country. It is beholding to a critical mass of hateful, ignorant people who might be described as the American Taliban. If it is not going to rebuke those people and their champion (Trump), it needs to be discarded and we need a new conservative Party.

The Republican Party is not even a conservative Party anymore. Trump is not a conservative. Trump is an irrational populist and, because of him, the Republican Party has become an irrational populist Party that is a clear and present danger. Way more dangerous than the Democratic Party is at this time in history.

[AZGrizFan]

Yeah, StWronge. Keep talking. I note you never claim to be a conservative anymore. You’ve come out of the Donk closet.

I am extremely conservative philosophically. But the Republican Party is bat shit crazy right now and is a danger to the country. It is beholding to a critical mass of hateful, ignorant people who might be described as the American Taliban. If it is not going to rebuke those people and their champion (Trump), it needs to be discarded and we need a new conservative Party.

The Republican Party is not even a conservative Party anymore. Trump is not a conservative. Trump is an irrational populist and, because of him, the Republican Party has become an irrational populist Party that is a clear and present danger. Way more dangerous than the Democratic Party is at this time in history.

JohnStWrong. Again.

[BDKJMU]

I took a look at the ABC News/Washington Post poll conducted November 7 - 10 ( It is consistent with an ongoing theme: Biden and the Democrats are not doing well in terms of overall perception, but if you look at the specifics of what they want to do and issues there is solid support for what they want to do and their side of the issues. Here are some examples of how respondents broke with respect to some questions.

ABC/Wa PO : I actually should have stopped reading right there, as you have liberal organizations asking flawed questions from a liberal perspective.

Do you support or oppose the federal government spending one trillion dollars on roads, bridges and other infrastructure?
Support 63%, Oppose 32%

Flawed question because the donk bill doesn't come close to spending one trillion dollars on real infrastructure such as roads, bridges. Its loaded with pork. I wish there was a 1 trillion bill that 100% went to REAL infrastructure (ports, rail, roads, bridges, pipelines, power grid)

Do you support or oppose the federal government spending about two trillion dollars to address climate change and to create or expand preschool, health care and other social programs?
Support 58%, Oppose 37%

Flawed question, as it leaves off the part about paying higher taxes and much higher energy costs.

Do you think the federal government should or should not regulate the release of greenhouse gases from sources like power plants, cars and factories in an effort to reduce global warming?
Should be Regulated 70%, Should not be Regulated 24%

Flawed question- it already is regulated

How much do you think public schools should teach about how the history of racism affects America today - a great deal, a good amount, not so much or not at all?
A great deal/A good amount 70%, Not so much/Not at all 27%

Flawed question that leaves off the part asking is it ok to teach that whites are oppressors, and non whites are oppressed, and other such garbage that CRT espouses.