Coronavirus COVID-19

[Skjellyfetti]

American Association of Pediatrics recommends opening schools, citing children are very unlikely to spread diseases to anyone else.

Days later, they walk it back without a single medically-relevant fact other than people got upset by it.

Pretty sure they released a statement. The White House spun it that it says they recommended a full reopening. They released a statement saying the White House's take on their initial statement was wrong.

I would love to see the science that says "children are very unlikely to spread diseases to anyone else."

[Pwns]

American Association of Pediatrics recommends opening schools, citing children are very unlikely to spread diseases to anyone else.

Days later, they walk it back without a single medically-relevant fact other than people got upset by it.

Pretty sure they released a statement. The White House spun it that it says they recommended a full reopening. They released a statement saying the White House's take on their initial statement was wrong.

I would love to see the science that says "children are very unlikely to spread diseases to anyone else."

That's what the pediatrition panel MSNBC had on said and the AAP didn't walk that back.

[Skjellyfetti]

Here's their initial guidance.
https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019- ... n-schools/

It doesn't say children are very unlikely to spread. Again, would love to see any science that says that.

Children are less likely to be symptomatic. Symptoms like coughing contribute to the spread. It's fair to say they're less likely to spread. But, I haven't seen anything saying children are "very unlikely" to spread. If that's true, it would certainly sway me that schools can be reopened. I haven't seen anything that says that, though.

Here's their follow up, which I guess you are taking issue with? What exactly? It reiterates everything the first, imo.
https://services.aap.org/en/news-room/n ... this-fall/

[SeattleGriz]

American Association of Pediatrics recommends opening schools, citing children are very unlikely to spread diseases to anyone else.

Days later, they walk it back without a single medically-relevant fact other than people got upset by it.

Pretty sure they released a statement. The White House spun it that it says they recommended a full reopening. They released a statement saying the White House's take on their initial statement was wrong.

I would love to see the science that says "children are very unlikely to spread diseases to anyone else."

I haven't been following too closely, but if I'm correct, children have a really good antibody response (1st line of defense) which I assume limits its ability to spread.

In contrast, the elderly rely more upon T cells (2nd line of defense) for their response. This is also why
they are more likely to suffer the cytokine storm.

Once again. Only read stuff briefly, so I could easily be wrong. Just trying to take a stab at the claim.

[HI54UNI]

Here's their initial guidance.
https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019- ... n-schools/

It doesn't say children are very unlikely to spread. Again, would love to see any science that says that.

Children are less likely to be symptomatic. Symptoms like coughing contribute to the spread. It's fair to say they're less likely to spread. But, I haven't seen anything saying children are "very unlikely" to spread. If that's true, it would certainly sway me that schools can be reopened. I haven't seen anything that says that, though.

Here's their follow up, which I guess you are taking issue with? What exactly? It reiterates everything the first, imo.
https://services.aap.org/en/news-room/n ... this-fall/

Some news stories about French and German studies on the spread issue

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... tudy-shows

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/14/schools ... finds.html

[HI54UNI]

The return to school fight is starting to brew. The questions you posed earlier have some valid points but it is straight from the teacher's union. Parents are genuinely concerned about how they are going to keep their jobs, educate their kids, and manage childcare issues if their kids aren't in school. Some people are able to work from home but a lot cannot. The ones that cannot are really stressed. I don't get many phone calls from people but I'm starting to get them about going back to school. Our teachers are starting to make noise about not wanting to come back "for their health". We've told teachers they are coming back no matter what and they aren't happy. Even if the kids can't be in the classroom the teachers are going to be there to do their online instruction. No working from home. Pretty easy to social distance at work when every teacher has their own classroom. Also starting to hear members of the public complaining about paying taxes for full teacher salaries if the teachers aren't teaching. How do you defend that to a person that works at a grocery store or a nursing home and has a higher risk of exposure. Or a small business owner that has been shutdown for part of the year?

Yesterday I was talking to our school supt. and he said the state depart of ed and state public health had a zoom meeting for supts. about return to learn this fall. He noted that EVERY person on the call from the state was working from home. Are they keeping in mind the people that can't work from home when they make these decisions? We both have our doubts.

Fiver, thanks for your perspective! It definitely adds to my understanding. The questions I posted may be straight from the union but some of them are valid and should be answered before kids are brought back to school. Online education was and will be a huge drag on parents, especially those with younger kids and should be considered too. But the school districts job isn't to provide child care.

Having teachers come back and work from their classroom is a great approach. It will be harder for the lazy ones to hide behind technology and they will all have their hard copy resources and be able to collaborate with each other. I still think administrators should randomly audit what they're doing online. When I was subbing the principal/assistant principal would rotate through the school sitting in on in-person classes and district subject matter experts would do so as well. This shouldn't be any different.

Are you ready for the masks vs. my child isn't wearing a mask arguments? It's going to be like vaccinations to the power of 6.93.

I'm already getting the mask vs no mask in some of the phone calls from parents.

I'm really starting to wish that I wouldn't have run for re-election last fall.

[BDKJMU]

Did schools in the U.S. close during any of these?
-1918-1919 Spanish Flu which killed an estimated killed 675,000 Americans out of a population 103 million, equivalent to about 2.2 million today?
-1957-1958 Asian Flu, which CDC estimated killed 116,000 Americans out of a population 175 million, equivalent to about 220,000 today?
-1968-1970 Hong Kong Flu, which CDC estimated killed about 100,000 Americans out of a population of 200 million, equivalent to about 165,000 today.

If they didn't close during any of the above, then why now?

[UNI88]

Fiver, thanks for your perspective! It definitely adds to my understanding. The questions I posted may be straight from the union but some of them are valid and should be answered before kids are brought back to school. Online education was and will be a huge drag on parents, especially those with younger kids and should be considered too. But the school districts job isn't to provide child care.

Having teachers come back and work from their classroom is a great approach. It will be harder for the lazy ones to hide behind technology and they will all have their hard copy resources and be able to collaborate with each other. I still think administrators should randomly audit what they're doing online. When I was subbing the principal/assistant principal would rotate through the school sitting in on in-person classes and district subject matter experts would do so as well. This shouldn't be any different.

Are you ready for the masks vs. my child isn't wearing a mask arguments? It's going to be like vaccinations to the power of 6.93.

I'm already getting the mask vs no mask in some of the phone calls from parents.

I'm really starting to wish that I wouldn't have run for re-election last fall.

I do not envy you at all.

I would think that you could require masks unless a parent provided a doctor's note. Then it gets tricky.

[catbooster]

Did schools in the U.S. close during any of these?
-1918-1919 Spanish Flu which killed an estimated killed 675,000 Americans out of a population 103 million, equivalent to about 2.2 million today?
-1957-1958 Asian Flu, which CDC estimated killed 116,000 Americans out of a population 175 million, equivalent to about 220,000 today?
-1968-1970 Hong Kong Flu, which CDC estimated killed about 100,000 Americans out of a population of 200 million, equivalent to about 165,000 today.

If they didn't close during any of the above, then why now?

Yeah, we don't do anything differently now than we did 102, 62 or 51 years ago. Science, technology, etc. haven't advanced at all making us change how we deal with things.

[HI54UNI]

I'm already getting the mask vs no mask in some of the phone calls from parents.

I'm really starting to wish that I wouldn't have run for re-election last fall.

I do not envy you at all.

I would think that you could require masks unless a parent provided a doctor's note. Then it gets tricky.

We are likely to do voluntary. Trying to require 5 years olds to wear a mask all day is going to be a challenge. If we require masks we will likely have to provide them.

We're fortunate that our administration developed a crisis plan years ago. Most of that was for school shootings but they also covered things like a flu epidemic. That has proved invaluable. The governor ordered school's closed at 8:00 p.m. on a Sunday night. The next morning our administration purchased all the hand sanitizer, disinfectant spray, etc. that they could get. We bought out everything at the Sam's Club in Ames and sent a school vehicle there on Tuesday to pick everything up. Every room will have a hand sanitizer dispenser when you walk in. We've also purchased three UV light towers that can be put into a room and disinfect the room in less than 5 minutes. Purchased disinfectant mister sprayers that can also be used in classroom and buses. Our buildings will be cleaner than any home likely is.

[kalm]

I do not envy you at all.

I would think that you could require masks unless a parent provided a doctor's note. Then it gets tricky.

We are likely to do voluntary. Trying to require 5 years olds to wear a mask all day is going to be a challenge. If we require masks we will likely have to provide them.

We're fortunate that our administration developed a crisis plan years ago. Most of that was for school shootings but they also covered things like a flu epidemic. That has proved invaluable. The governor ordered school's closed at 8:00 p.m. on a Sunday night. The next morning our administration purchased all the hand sanitizer, disinfectant spray, etc. that they could get. We bought out everything at the Sam's Club in Ames and sent a school vehicle there on Tuesday to pick everything up. Every room will have a hand sanitizer dispenser when you walk in. We've also purchased three UV light towers that can be put into a room and disinfect the room in less than 5 minutes. Purchased disinfectant mister sprayers that can also be used in classroom and buses. Our buildings will be cleaner than any home likely is.

The UV light towers and musters are intriguing. Nice work there! B

[AZGrizFan]

Did schools in the U.S. close during any of these?
-1918-1919 Spanish Flu which killed an estimated killed 675,000 Americans out of a population 103 million, equivalent to about 2.2 million today?
-1957-1958 Asian Flu, which CDC estimated killed 116,000 Americans out of a population 175 million, equivalent to about 220,000 today?
-1968-1970 Hong Kong Flu, which CDC estimated killed about 100,000 Americans out of a population of 200 million, equivalent to about 165,000 today.

If they didn't close during any of the above, then why now?

Because now we're a nation of fucking Nancys.

[Skjellyfetti]

Alabama finally has a mask order.

"We're almost to the point where our hospital ICUs are overwhelmed," Ivey said. "Folks, the numbers just do not lie."

https://amp.montgomeryadvertiser.com/am ... ssion=true

[Silenoz]

Did schools in the U.S. close during any of these?
-1918-1919 Spanish Flu which killed an estimated killed 675,000 Americans out of a population 103 million, equivalent to about 2.2 million today?
-1957-1958 Asian Flu, which CDC estimated killed 116,000 Americans out of a population 175 million, equivalent to about 220,000 today?
-1968-1970 Hong Kong Flu, which CDC estimated killed about 100,000 Americans out of a population of 200 million, equivalent to about 165,000 today.

If they didn't close during any of the above, then why now?

Yeah, we don't do anything differently now than we did 102, 62 or 51 years ago. Science, technology, etc. haven't advanced at all making us change how we deal with things.

I was gonna say, we used lead paint back then too. Probably not the sorta models you want to mimic.

[kalm]

Yeah, we don't do anything differently now than we did 102, 62 or 51 years ago. Science, technology, etc. haven't advanced at all making us change how we deal with things.

I was gonna say, we used lead paint back then too. Probably not the sorta models you want to mimic.

Didn’t wear seatbelts either. Car seats for toddlers? Nope.

I wonder what the numbers of those pandemics would be like with modern healthcare? Their lockdown compliance vs. today. Our (eventual) death totals compared to if we had never shutdown?

[HI54UNI]

We are likely to do voluntary. Trying to require 5 years olds to wear a mask all day is going to be a challenge. If we require masks we will likely have to provide them.

We're fortunate that our administration developed a crisis plan years ago. Most of that was for school shootings but they also covered things like a flu epidemic. That has proved invaluable. The governor ordered school's closed at 8:00 p.m. on a Sunday night. The next morning our administration purchased all the hand sanitizer, disinfectant spray, etc. that they could get. We bought out everything at the Sam's Club in Ames and sent a school vehicle there on Tuesday to pick everything up. Every room will have a hand sanitizer dispenser when you walk in. We've also purchased three UV light towers that can be put into a room and disinfect the room in less than 5 minutes. Purchased disinfectant mister sprayers that can also be used in classroom and buses. Our buildings will be cleaner than any home likely is.

The UV light towers and musters are intriguing. Nice work there! B

Not exactly what we purchased but pretty similar:



Also another advantage we have is that our buildings are new or are recently remodeled so all have modern air handling and air exchange systems. Keeps fresh air coming in and old air going out which should also help some.

[UNI88]

I do not envy you at all.

I would think that you could require masks unless a parent provided a doctor's note. Then it gets tricky.

We are likely to do voluntary. Trying to require 5 years olds to wear a mask all day is going to be a challenge. If we require masks we will likely have to provide them.

We're fortunate that our administration developed a crisis plan years ago. Most of that was for school shootings but they also covered things like a flu epidemic. That has proved invaluable. The governor ordered school's closed at 8:00 p.m. on a Sunday night. The next morning our administration purchased all the hand sanitizer, disinfectant spray, etc. that they could get. We bought out everything at the Sam's Club in Ames and sent a school vehicle there on Tuesday to pick everything up. Every room will have a hand sanitizer dispenser when you walk in. We've also purchased three UV light towers that can be put into a room and disinfect the room in less than 5 minutes. Purchased disinfectant mister sprayers that can also be used in classroom and buses. Our buildings will be cleaner than any home likely is.

What if a parent isn't comfortable sending their little angel to school if not everyone is wearing masks?

[SDHornet]

We are likely to do voluntary. Trying to require 5 years olds to wear a mask all day is going to be a challenge. If we require masks we will likely have to provide them.

We're fortunate that our administration developed a crisis plan years ago. Most of that was for school shootings but they also covered things like a flu epidemic. That has proved invaluable. The governor ordered school's closed at 8:00 p.m. on a Sunday night. The next morning our administration purchased all the hand sanitizer, disinfectant spray, etc. that they could get. We bought out everything at the Sam's Club in Ames and sent a school vehicle there on Tuesday to pick everything up. Every room will have a hand sanitizer dispenser when you walk in. We've also purchased three UV light towers that can be put into a room and disinfect the room in less than 5 minutes. Purchased disinfectant mister sprayers that can also be used in classroom and buses. Our buildings will be cleaner than any home likely is.

What if a parent isn't comfortable sending their little angel to school if not everyone is wearing masks?

Then they can home school. And trying to get a bunch of 1st graders to keep their masks on all day?

[SDHornet]

Just having "on-line office hours" and distributing homework is what I meant by just giving out assignments. A teacher who does that is taking advantage of the situation and isn't really teaching. Depending on grade level and subject, I would expect teachers to hold live online classes (using Zoom or whatever technology the district provides) this should include in-class breakouts, outside of class virtual areas for group projects, and interactive quizzes (using Kahoot or similar). Online learning is repetitive and boring if all the students are doing is reading assignments and taking written tests/quizzes. There are a lot of tools that can help make online learning more fun and interactive that will help students learn and retain better. Districts should be helping teachers by providing platform access and training on these tools. Last semester was a shock and districts, schools and teachers were caught with their pants down. They've had the entire summer to get ready for this fall and don't have any excuses.

The return to school fight is starting to brew. The questions you posed earlier have some valid points but it is straight from the teacher's union. Parents are genuinely concerned about how they are going to keep their jobs, educate their kids, and manage childcare issues if their kids aren't in school. Some people are able to work from home but a lot cannot. The ones that cannot are really stressed. I don't get many phone calls from people but I'm starting to get them about going back to school. Our teachers are starting to make noise about not wanting to come back "for their health". We've told teachers they are coming back no matter what and they aren't happy. Even if the kids can't be in the classroom the teachers are going to be there to do their online instruction. No working from home. Pretty easy to social distance at work when every teacher has their own classroom. Also starting to hear members of the public complaining about paying taxes for full teacher salaries if the teachers aren't teaching. How do you defend that to a person that works at a grocery store or a nursing home and has a higher risk of exposure. Or a small business owner that has been shutdown for part of the year?

Yesterday I was talking to our school supt. and he said the state depart of ed and state public health had a zoom meeting for supts. about return to learn this fall. He noted that EVERY person on the call from the state was working from home. Are they keeping in mind the people that can't work from home when they make these decisions? We both have our doubts.

Teachers think they should be exempt from financial hardship, which is bullshit. Furlough teachers accordingly.

[SeattleGriz]

What if a parent isn't comfortable sending their little angel to school if not everyone is wearing masks?

Then they can home school. And trying to get a bunch of 1st graders to keep their masks on all day?

[SDHornet]

So my kid is in daycare and has been in daycare since before this all started. No protocols until the state mandated them. Protocols are teachers wear masks, parents wear masks at drop-off and pickup, parents not allowed inside to grab kids stuff, no social distancing in the classroom. There have been zero announcements of anyone (student or staff) having the virus. My kid is in a class of about 12, and they intermingle with another class of 12 for play time. Each class has a teacher and an assistant in the room at all times.

IMO the whole keep schools closed is just a political move by the teachers unions. I'm not buying that protocols cannot be put in place to protect teachers (masks, facemaks, deep cleaning in off hours, etc).

Oh and CA has ZERO Chinese Flu deaths under the age of 18 per the CA Health Dept as off this post.

[HI54UNI]

We are likely to do voluntary. Trying to require 5 years olds to wear a mask all day is going to be a challenge. If we require masks we will likely have to provide them.

We're fortunate that our administration developed a crisis plan years ago. Most of that was for school shootings but they also covered things like a flu epidemic. That has proved invaluable. The governor ordered school's closed at 8:00 p.m. on a Sunday night. The next morning our administration purchased all the hand sanitizer, disinfectant spray, etc. that they could get. We bought out everything at the Sam's Club in Ames and sent a school vehicle there on Tuesday to pick everything up. Every room will have a hand sanitizer dispenser when you walk in. We've also purchased three UV light towers that can be put into a room and disinfect the room in less than 5 minutes. Purchased disinfectant mister sprayers that can also be used in classroom and buses. Our buildings will be cleaner than any home likely is.

What if a parent isn't comfortable sending their little angel to school if not everyone is wearing masks?

They'll have to home school. Part of our plan is that all instruction will be taped and uploaded to youtube for things like that. Also will get the teachers use to doing it in case we have to go to 100% online.

[HI54UNI]

The return to school fight is starting to brew. The questions you posed earlier have some valid points but it is straight from the teacher's union. Parents are genuinely concerned about how they are going to keep their jobs, educate their kids, and manage childcare issues if their kids aren't in school. Some people are able to work from home but a lot cannot. The ones that cannot are really stressed. I don't get many phone calls from people but I'm starting to get them about going back to school. Our teachers are starting to make noise about not wanting to come back "for their health". We've told teachers they are coming back no matter what and they aren't happy. Even if the kids can't be in the classroom the teachers are going to be there to do their online instruction. No working from home. Pretty easy to social distance at work when every teacher has their own classroom. Also starting to hear members of the public complaining about paying taxes for full teacher salaries if the teachers aren't teaching. How do you defend that to a person that works at a grocery store or a nursing home and has a higher risk of exposure. Or a small business owner that has been shutdown for part of the year?

Yesterday I was talking to our school supt. and he said the state depart of ed and state public health had a zoom meeting for supts. about return to learn this fall. He noted that EVERY person on the call from the state was working from home. Are they keeping in mind the people that can't work from home when they make these decisions? We both have our doubts.

Teachers think they should be exempt from financial hardship, which is bullshit. Furlough teachers accordingly.

Also starting to hear it about other government employees. Our county offices have been closed since mid March. They will let people in for appointments for certain things, like driver's license renewal, but a lot of things have to be done online or via mail, like auto registrations or paying property taxes. People are starting to question if we still need as many county employees since they don't have all the wasted time on customer service.

[HI54UNI]

Florida Department of Health says some labs have not reported negative COVID-19 results

ORLANDO, Fla. - After FOX 35 News noticed errors in the state's report on positivity rates, the Florida Department of Health said that some laboratories have not been reporting negative test result data to the state.

Countless labs have reported a 100 percent positivity rate, which means every single person tested was positive. Other labs had very high positivity rates. FOX 35 News found that testing sites like one local Centra Care reported that 83 people were tested and all tested positive. Then, NCF Diagnostics in Alachua reported 88 percent of tests were positive.

How could that be? FOX 35 News investigated these astronomical numbers, contacting every local location mentioned in the report.

The report showed that Orlando Health had a 98 percent positivity rate. However, when FOX 35 News contacted the hospital, they confirmed errors in the report. Orlando Health's positivity rate is only 9.4 percent, not 98 percent as in the report.

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-3 ... 19-results

[Ibanez]

What if a parent isn't comfortable sending their little angel to school if not everyone is wearing masks?

Then they can home school. And trying to get a bunch of 1st graders to keep their masks on all day?

This is one of the many reasons we’ve decided to homeschool. I can see it now - Susy goes home to her SJW parents and say that Bobby took his mask off. Suddenly the school has to deal with an irate parent and the teachers are getting punished. It’s a no-won situation.


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