Trump vs. Biden Part 2

[kalm]

From two former Trump admin members.

Not good for Trump. And further suggestion Biden had nothing to do with this.

Take it from us: We both spent considerable amounts of time in our careers running the communications operation in Trump’s White House. We were well-versed in crafting talking points that would resonate with the public, and in pressing Trump’s allies and surrogates to parrot them to the media. We were experts, as well, in briefing lawmakers on exactly what they needed to say to support Trump, with the goal of creating a very loud, unified narrative within the GOP.

We both know the very real limitations of the rightwing media messaging machine — and the often-flagrant dishonesty of Donald Trump. From the inevitable “red wave” to much of Trump’s 2020 campaign messaging, spin — even very good spin — has its limitations. Trump and his acolytes may be about to find that out.

A survey by ABC/Ipsos revealed that 52% of independents and 16% of Republicans believe Trump should suspend his campaign as a result of his criminal conviction. That 16% of Republicans broadly lines up with the percentage of people who have voted for former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley in numerous Republican primaries, even though she pulled out of the presidential race weeks ago. It was a phenomenon we saw in GOP primaries from Florida to Pennsylvania to Indiana. According to the survey, Americans say 50% to 27% that the verdict was correct.

The MAGA messaging machine is extremely loud and — as we can attest — it can be scary to speak out against. But 2020 and GOP primary results suggest that when voters are alone in the voting booth — without fear of being doxed or shamed, without fear of violence or bullying — moderates and independents will vote their conscience and not be swayed by the loudest voices. They are the key voting bloc that will decide this election.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/03/opinions ... index.html

[BDKJMU]

From two former Trump admin members.

Not good for Trump. And further suggestion Biden had nothing to do with this.

Take it from us: We both spent considerable amounts of time in our careers running the communications operation in Trump’s White House. We were well-versed in crafting talking points that would resonate with the public, and in pressing Trump’s allies and surrogates to parrot them to the media. We were experts, as well, in briefing lawmakers on exactly what they needed to say to support Trump, with the goal of creating a very loud, unified narrative within the GOP.

We both know the very real limitations of the rightwing media messaging machine — and the often-flagrant dishonesty of Donald Trump. From the inevitable “red wave” to much of Trump’s 2020 campaign messaging, spin — even very good spin — has its limitations. Trump and his acolytes may be about to find that out.

A survey by ABC/Ipsos revealed that 52% of independents and 16% of Republicans believe Trump should suspend his campaign as a result of his criminal conviction. That 16% of Republicans broadly lines up with the percentage of people who have voted for former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley in numerous Republican primaries, even though she pulled out of the presidential race weeks ago. It was a phenomenon we saw in GOP primaries from Florida to Pennsylvania to Indiana. According to the survey, Americans say 50% to 27% that the verdict was correct.

The MAGA messaging machine is extremely loud and — as we can attest — it can be scary to speak out against. But 2020 and GOP primary results suggest that when voters are alone in the voting booth — without fear of being doxed or shamed, without fear of violence or bullying — moderates and independents will vote their conscience and not be swayed by the loudest voices. They are the key voting bloc that will decide this election.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/03/opinions ... index.html

Lol if you believe that. The Biden admin couldn’t get Trump in this case federally, because there was nothing there, so they found a loophole in NY state law where they could take a misdemeanor where the statute of linitations had expired, and turn it into a felony charge by ising an unnamed alleged secondary fed crime which didn’t have to named or proven. Then take the same charge and copy and pasted it 34x Would be like in a state where pot was still outlawed 2 guys passing a joint back amd forth 34x, and charging them 34 times with possession of pot. And Before the charges are filed, Matthew Coangelo left the #3 spot at DOJ to be an assistant DA in NYC. That’s like dropping down from the Majors all the way to Single A. And guess who is the lead prosecutor in the Trump trial? Matthew Coangelo. Gee, what a coincidence! Get a Biden donor judge, a deep blue jury pool, and presto, you have your rigged trial. So while it might not have been Biden, its obvious the Biden DOJ was pulling the strings.

Also ABC/IPSOS poll said 47% they though charges were politically motivated, only 38% say they were not.

[kalm]

From two former Trump admin members.

Not good for Trump. And further suggestion Biden had nothing to do with this.



https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/03/opinions ... index.html

Lol if you believe that. The Biden admin couldn’t get Trump in this case federally, because there was nothing there, so they found a loophole in NY state law where they could take a misdemeanor where the statute of linitations had expired, and turn it into a felony charge by ising an unnamed alleged secondary fed crime which didn’t have to named or proven. Then take the same charge and copy and pasted it 34x Would be like in a state where pot was still outlawed 2 guys passing a joint back amd forth 34x, and charging them 34 times with possession of pot. And Before the charges are filed, Matthew Coangelo left the #3 spot at DOJ to be an assistant DA in NYC. That’s like dropping down from the Majors all the way to Single A. And guess who is the lead prosecutor in the Trump trial? Matthew Coangelo. Gee, what a coincidence! Get a Biden donor judge, a deep blue jury pool, and presto, you have your rigged trial. So while it might not have been Biden, its obvious the Biden DOJ was pulling the strings.

Also ABC/IPSOS poll said 47% they though charges were politically motivated, only 38% say they were not.

Thank you for linking to what the Epoch Times is reporting.

Here’s another poll for ya. The independents are obviously who matters.

“On whether the jury reached the right or wrong verdict by convicting Trump, responses are similar: 57 percent of U.S. adults say the jury reached the right verdict, and 43 percent say the wrong verdict. Among independents, 56 percent say the jury reached the right verdict, while 44 percent say the wrong verdict.”

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-ba ... rial-poll/

[houndawg]

From two former Trump admin members.

Not good for Trump. And further suggestion Biden had nothing to do with this.



https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/03/opinions ... index.html

Lol if you believe that. The Biden admin couldn’t get Trump in this case federally, because there was nothing there, so they found a loophole in NY state law where they could take a misdemeanor where the statute of linitations had expired, and turn it into a felony charge by ising an unnamed alleged secondary fed crime which didn’t have to named or proven. Then take the same charge and copy and pasted it 34x Would be like in a state where pot was still outlawed 2 guys passing a joint back amd forth 34x, and charging them 34 times with possession of pot. And Before the charges are filed, Matthew Coangelo left the #3 spot at DOJ to be an assistant DA in NYC. That’s like dropping down from the Majors all the way to Single A. And guess who is the lead prosecutor in the Trump trial? Matthew Coangelo. Gee, what a coincidence! Get a Biden donor judge, a deep blue jury pool, and presto, you have your rigged trial. So while it might not have been Biden, its obvious the Biden DOJ was pulling the strings.

Also ABC/IPSOS poll said 47% they though charges were politically motivated, only 38% say they were not.

You've spent years believing the same people.

The Biden admin didn't get Trump, a jury of his fellow citizens did. Once Stormy satisfied the jury that Trump was lying about their affair never happening they figured, correctly, that he was lying about everything else too. Bad move by the Donald. It was the silk pajamas that betrayed him... what a sight that must have been..

[kalm]

Trump last few days in a nut shell. It’s not as if he’s going to become appealing. Biden is the main thing standing in the way of another Trump defeat.

As political consultant Stuart Stevens put it: “I worked in five presidential races and helped elect Republican governors or Senators in over half the country. I have never heard anything more transparently desperate than a party trying to spin that there is some non-MAGA pool of voters who can't wait to vote for a convicted felon.”

On Friday, Morning Consult conducted a poll to gauge how voters were reacting to the guilty verdict. It showed that 54% of registered voters approved of it, while only 34% disapproved. Perhaps worse for Trump was that 49% of Independents and 15% of Republicans thought he should end his campaign. A Reuters/Ipsos poll found that 10% of registered Republican voters and 25% of Independents said that his conviction made it less likely that they would vote for him for president.

https://open.substack.com/pub/heatherco ... medium=ios

[BDKJMU]

Trump last few days in a nut shell. It’s not as if he’s going to become appealing. Biden is the main thing standing in the way of another Trump defeat.

As political consultant Stuart Stevens put it: “I worked in five presidential races and helped elect Republican governors or Senators in over half the country. I have never heard anything more transparently desperate than a party trying to spin that there is some non-MAGA pool of voters who can't wait to vote for a convicted felon.”

On Friday, Morning Consult conducted a poll to gauge how voters were reacting to the guilty verdict. It showed that 54% of registered voters approved of it, while only 34% disapproved. Perhaps worse for Trump was that 49% of Independents and 15% of Republicans thought he should end his campaign. A Reuters/Ipsos poll found that 10% of registered Republican voters and 25% of Independents said that his conviction made it less likely that they would vote for him for president.

https://open.substack.com/pub/heatherco ... medium=ios

Registered doesn’t mean much when a large percentage of registered don’t vote and this election is all going to be about base motivation & turnout. What percentage of those people in those polls aren’t going to end up voting? There are lots of people who are registersd but rarely or never vote.

From wiki:

Approximately 240 million people were eligible to vote in the 2020 presidential election and roughly 66.1% of them submitted ballots, totaling 158,427,986 votes.

Any poll at this point that isn’t LIKELY voters I’d take with a grain of salt.

[kalm]

This list is about right, including zhaberman’s “retribution” tweet.

[houndawg]

Trump last few days in a nut shell. It’s not as if he’s going to become appealing. Biden is the main thing standing in the way of another Trump defeat.



https://open.substack.com/pub/heatherco ... medium=ios

Registered doesn’t mean much when a large percentage of registered don’t vote and this election is all going to be about base motivation & turnout. What percentage of those people in those polls aren’t going to end up voting? There are lots of people who are registersd but rarely or never vote.

From wiki:

Approximately 240 million people were eligible to vote in the 2020 presidential election and roughly 66.1% of them submitted ballots, totaling 158,427,986 votes.

Any poll at this point that isn’t LIKELY voters I’d take with a grain of salt.

You're right that turnout is going to be the key and that polls this far in advance don't mean shit.

I think the numbers in the article kalm posted are hinting at Trump's biggest problem - his base is also his ceiling. And like Trump said before his campaign "...a lot of women are going to come out...."

[UNI88]

[Caribbean Hen]

https://x.com/MikeRay_22/status/1798679 ... y%2Fpage10

[kalm]

https://x.com/MikeRay_22/status/1798679 ... y%2Fpage10

Which version? What did it prove?

[Caribbean Hen]

https://x.com/MikeRay_22/status/1798679 ... y%2Fpage10

Which version? What did it prove?

It proves you live in your Klam shell

[kalm]

Which version? What did it prove?

It proves you live in your Klam shell

Someone is a couple years behind on the Hunter laptop story.

[BDKJMU]

Registered doesn’t mean much when a large percentage of registered don’t vote and this election is all going to be about base motivation & turnout. What percentage of those people in those polls aren’t going to end up voting? There are lots of people who are registersd but rarely or never vote.

From wiki:


Any poll at this point that isn’t LIKELY voters I’d take with a grain of salt.

You're right that turnout is going to be the key and that polls this far in advance don't mean shit.

I think the numbers in the article kalm posted are hinting at Trump's biggest problem - his base is also his ceiling. And like Trump said before his campaign "...a lot of women are going to come out...."

No more so than Biden’s base is his ceiling.

Turnout overall won’t be as high as 2020.
3rd party will get more votes than 2020 (which was hardly anything)

[kalm]

You're right that turnout is going to be the key and that polls this far in advance don't mean shit.

I think the numbers in the article kalm posted are hinting at Trump's biggest problem - his base is also his ceiling. And like Trump said before his campaign "...a lot of women are going to come out...."

No more so than Biden’s base is his ceiling.

Turnout overall won’t be as high as 2020.
3rd party will get more votes than 2020 (which was hardly anything)

But Biden should have an easier time courting independents and Never Trumpers.

[Caribbean Hen]

It proves you live in your Klam shell

Someone is a couple years behind on the Hunter laptop story.

Let’s prosecute all of those liars embedded in the 4th estate for election interference as they told the 81 million the laptop wasn’t true

[UNI88]

Someone is a couple years behind on the Hunter laptop story.

Let’s prosecute all of those liars embedded in the 4th estate for election interference as they told the 81 million the laptop wasn’t true

Sure if we also prosecute all of those liars in the 2nd and 3rd estates for election interference as they told the 74 million that the 2020 election was stolen.

[Caribbean Hen]

Let’s prosecute all of those liars embedded in the 4th estate for election interference as they told the 81 million the laptop wasn’t true

Sure if we also prosecute all of those liars in the 2nd and 3rd estates for election interference as they told the 74 million that the 2020 election was stolen.

The fourth estate actions went a long ways ln stealing that election…. That’s why the propaganda machine went into overdrive

[kalm]

Sure if we also prosecute all of those liars in the 2nd and 3rd estates for election interference as they told the 74 million that the 2020 election was stolen.

The fourth estate actions went a long ways ln stealing that election…. That’s why the propaganda machine went into overdrive

The election wasn’t stolen.

[Caribbean Hen]

The fourth estate actions went a long ways ln stealing that election…. That’s why the propaganda machine went into overdrive

The election wasn’t stolen.

You missed the point

[UNI88]

Sure if we also prosecute all of those liars in the 2nd and 3rd estates for election interference as they told the 74 million that the 2020 election was stolen.

The fourth estate actions went a long ways ln stealing that election…. That’s why the propaganda machine went into overdrive

The fourth estate played no greater role in "stealing" the 2020 election from trump then they did in "stealing" the 2016 election for trump. Saying they did loser talk.

The propaganda machine that went into overdrive was trump's, attempting to deflect/defend his attempts to steal the 2020 election (January 6, fraudulent electors, calls attempting to bully state officials into "finding" votes or not certifying results, etc.).

[kalm]

The election wasn’t stolen.

You missed the point

You had a point?

[Caribbean Hen]

You missed the point

You had a point?

You’re making my point

[UNI88]

You had a point?

You’re making my point

What point are you making kalm? CH obviously doesn't know what it is/was.

[kalm]

You’re making my point

What point are you making kalm? CH obviously doesn't know what it is/was.

The 2020 election wasn’t stolen. Which was his point. (I think)