The Ukraine Crisis

[UNI88]

Why was Ukraine killing it's own people? Is this the democracy Putin is afraid of?

putin says that russians and Ukrainians are one people, why don't you care about russia killing it's "own" people?

[SeattleGriz]

Why was Ukraine killing it's own people? Is this the democracy Putin is afraid of?

putin says that russians and Ukrainians are one people, why don't you care about russia killing it's "own" people?

That is just stupid and you know it. Why was Ukraine killing it's own people? Answer the question.

[BDKJMU]

PS. Just watched the entire exchange. Trump gave a masterclass in how to stand up for America. The track suit wearing Euro trash Zelensky’s lack of gratitude, disrespect and sense of entitlement is astounding.

That's your opinion not fact.

I found trump and vance to be classless opportunists demanding respect they hadn't earned and trying to take advantage of Ukraine in their time of need.

Well your opinion is shared by the left and mine by the right. And you know what they say about opinions.

[BDKJMU]

Jesus. Again with the bullshit line of Russia losing thousands per day. This has primarily been an artillery war. I think either Newseek or Time even ran a story talking about the advantage ratio being 8 or 9 to 1. Meaning, Russia is on the 1 side. They have been inflicting the damage. They have never been losing thousands per day.

They send the fucking drones in, get coordinates and then send a barrage of artillery. Send the drones in again to look for the last of the targets and send the artillery, followed up with troops finalizing a seriously depleted enemy.

Yep. Tomorrow will be <1100> days of the war which began on 2/24/22 and Russia has probably lost ballpark 140-200k troops killed. Thats ballpark 130-180 troops a day.

Even if you include all wounded/captured/killed even Ukraine is only estimating Russia’s total losses at 850k, which would be an avg of less than 800 a day.
https://kyivindependent.com/a-very-bloo ... n-ukraine/

[UNI88]

It Was an Ambush

Leave aside, if only for a moment, the utter boorishness with which President Donald Trump and Vice President J. D. Vance treated Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky at the White House today. Also leave aside the spectacle of American leaders publicly pummeling a friend as if he were an enemy. All of the ghastliness inflicted on Zelensky today should not obscure the geopolitical reality of what just happened: The president of the United States ambushed a loyal ally, presumably so that he can soon make a deal with the dictator of Russia to sell out a European nation fighting for its very existence.

Did trump really expect Zelensky to come in and grovel for a mineral rights deal with no assurances of security? Why would he agree to that.

As far as risking WWIII. Ukraine ceases to exist if they don't keep fighting, they have nothing to lose, WWIII or not.

Peace without security assurances is temporary.

[UNI88]

To paraphrase CH ...

What an embarrassing total lack of leadership displayed by our national evil clown, delusional donnie trump

The United States has become an international laughingstock with this enabling fool at the helm

And he did it in less than 6 weeks. Has any President ever done it faster?

[BDKJMU]

So much for the US being more respected internationally with trump as President. That went down the toilet in a hurry.

Based on selective tweets. I can play that game too.

[Skjellyfetti]

Would have been nice if he said something about weak men starting wars when Russia invaded.

[UNI88]

So much for the US being more respected internationally with trump as President. That went down the toilet in a hurry.

Based on selective tweets. I can play that game too.

That means that putin, not Zelensky, is a weak man.

trump isn't trying to make peace. He's attempting to force Zelensky to capitulate to putin and russia while getting his much out of Ukraine as he can. He wants to sell Zelensky and Ukraine out and now he's throwing a tantrum because Zelensky won't agree to it. Capitulation isn't peace.

If trump pulls US support and Ukraine falls to russia then the genocide of the Ukrainian people will be on hands of trump/musk/vance and all who support them. Paraphrasing SD - "trump voters will own the Ukrainian debacle. Own that shit losers."

[SeattleGriz]

It Was an Ambush

Leave aside, if only for a moment, the utter boorishness with which President Donald Trump and Vice President J. D. Vance treated Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky at the White House today. Also leave aside the spectacle of American leaders publicly pummeling a friend as if he were an enemy. All of the ghastliness inflicted on Zelensky today should not obscure the geopolitical reality of what just happened: The president of the United States ambushed a loyal ally, presumably so that he can soon make a deal with the dictator of Russia to sell out a European nation fighting for its very existence.

Did trump really expect Zelensky to come in and grovel for a mineral rights deal with no assurances of security? Why would he agree to that.

As far as risking WWIII. Ukraine ceases to exist if they don't keep fighting, they have nothing to lose, WWIII or not.

Peace without security assurances is temporary.

The Atlantic. Fuck you lazy bitch.

[Caribbean Hen]

To paraphrase CH ...

What an embarrassing total lack of leadership displayed by our national evil clown, delusional JoBozo

The United States has become an international laughingstock with this enabling fool at the helm

And he did it in less than 6 weeks. Has any President ever done it faster?

Why do you always steal my material

[SeattleGriz]

To paraphrase CH ...



And he did it in less than 6 weeks. Has any President ever done it faster?

Why do you always steal my material

DARVO. Uni St Behar to a tee.

As much as he complains, Uni St Behar is just like Trump.

[UNI88]

It Was an Ambush


Did trump really expect Zelensky to come in and grovel for a mineral rights deal with no assurances of security? Why would he agree to that.

As far as risking WWIII. Ukraine ceases to exist if they don't keep fighting, they have nothing to lose, WWIII or not.

Peace without security assurances is temporary.

The Atlantic. Fuck you lazy bitch.

MAQA yahoo playbook, tactic #71 - attack the source when you have nothing.

[kalm]

PS. Just watched the entire exchange. Trump gave a masterclass in how to stand up for America. The track suit wearing Euro trash Zelensky’s lack of gratitude, disrespect and sense of entitlement is astounding.

That's your opinion not fact.

I found trump and vance to be classless opportunists demanding respect they hadn't earned and trying to take advantage of Ukraine in their time of need.

Holy shit this.

Two dudes lost their composure and were interrupting with raised voices at a world leader and now former ally.

The cognitive dissonance here is mind boggling.

[BDKJMU]

Based on selective tweets. I can play that game too.

That means that putin, not Zelensky, is a weak man.

trump isn't trying to make peace. He's attempting to force Zelensky to capitulate to putin and russia while getting his much out of Ukraine as he can. He wants to sell Zelensky and Ukraine out and now he's throwing a tantrum because Zelensky won't agree to it. Capitulation isn't peace.

If trump pulls US support and Ukraine falls to russia then the genocide of the Ukrainian people will be on hands of trump/musk/vance and all who support them. Paraphrasing SD - "trump voters will own the Ukrainian debacle. Own that shit losers."

Of course AS HE SHOULD. Newsflash: Ukraine CAN‘T win ie they can‘t expel Russia from Ukrainian lands currently occupied by Russla. It’s either settle NOW with some Ukrainian land lost, or settle in the future with the same or more Ukranian land lost with more lives on both sides lost.

And of course AS HE SHOULD. Trump should try to get as much out of Ukraine as he can to at least indirectly partially compensate the American taxpayers for <177> billion $$$$. spent.

[Skjellyfetti]

And of course AS HE SHOULD. Trump should try to get as much out of Ukraine as he can to at least indirectly partially compensate the American taxpayers for <177> billion $$$$. spent.

You do know the minerals deal wasn't ever going to the US coffers, right? It was supposed to be a fund jointly managed by Ukraine and the US for the rebuilding of Ukraine.

Trump certainly tried to paint it as (a) repayment for US and (b) his idea. And, MAGA idiots ate it up. Like your "Art of the Deal" post a page or two back.

[UNI88]

So much for the US being more respected internationally with trump as President. That went down the toilet in a hurry.

Based on selective tweets. I can play that game too.

If we go one after the other who will run out of countries first?

Supporting Zelensky:
Australia
Belgium
Canada
Czechia
Denmark
Estonia
France
Germany
Latvia
Lithuania
Moldova
Norway
Poland
Spand
Sweden
United Kingdom
You can add the European Union

Supporting trump, vance & putin:
belarus
hungary
russia

Sitting on the fence:
Italy

[BDKJMU]

Based on selective tweets. I can play that game too.

If we go one after the other who will run out of countries first?

Supporting Zelensky:
Australia
Belgium
Canada
Czechia
Denmark
Estonia
France
Germany
Latvia
Lithuania
Moldova
Norway
Poland
Spand
Sweden
United Kingdom
You can add the European Union

Supporting trump, vance & putin:
belarus
hungary
russia

Sitting on the fence:
Italy

You mean the leaders of countries. They don’t speak for their entire countries any more than Trump speaks for you.
Most of those you mentioned are leaders of European and NATO countries. They’re just worried about no longer being able to endlessly suck off the US defense tit.

[UNI88]

If we go one after the other who will run out of countries first?

Supporting Zelensky:
Australia
Belgium
Canada
Czechia
Denmark
Estonia
France
Germany
Latvia
Lithuania
Moldova
Norway
Poland
Spand
Sweden
United Kingdom
You can add the European Union

Supporting trump, vance & putin:
belarus
hungary
russia

Sitting on the fence:
Italy

You mean the leaders of countries. They don’t speak for their entire countries any more than Trump speaks for you.
Most of those you mentioned are leaders of European and NATO countries. They’re just worried about no longer being able to endlessly suck off the US defense tit.

So you can’t play that game too.

[BDKJMU]

Nails it. Pasted the rest for those without X.

essentially rejects how VP described the mandate of POTUS to conduct foreign affairs, and he insinuates that Trump term one did nothing to stop Putin.

2) He then basically tells Vance that his ideas are faulty and that the administration's diplomacy won't work.

These two comments are *deliberately antagonistic.* Everything was all well and good, but Zelensky took two major shots in a public forum, and they had to respond. And respond they did.

Recall, this is the guy who interfered in our electoral politics and called VP "too radical," and bashed Trump in an interview with New York Mag weeks before the election.

Zelensky is ENTIRELY at fault here. 100%.

[SeattleGriz]

The Atlantic. Fuck you lazy bitch.

MAQA yahoo playbook, tactic #71 - attack the source when you have nothing.

DARVO Randy. We all see it now. Psychopath.

[SeattleGriz]

Based on selective tweets. I can play that game too.

If we go one after the other who will run out of countries first?

Supporting Zelensky:
Australia
Belgium
Canada
Czechia
Denmark
Estonia
France
Germany
Latvia
Lithuania
Moldova
Norway
Poland
Spand
Sweden
United Kingdom
You can add the European Union

Supporting trump, vance & putin:
belarus
hungary
russia

Sitting on the fence:
Italy

Hey bitch face. How many elections has he held. How's the church going he shut down.

I told Klan. Your stupid thinking got voted out. Stop polluting threads with your retardedness.

[∞∞∞]

I remember when I joined this board - when things weren't as politically polarizing - we all cared about democracy. We might have disagreed on taxes or global warming, but one thing that united us was an understanding that Putin/Russia were threats to freedom around the world.

You can tell Russian propaganda has perversely infiltrated the American right to the point they're brainlessly following Russian marching orders. No one would have blinked defending Ukraine's freedom and democracy from our largest adversary, and now they cheer an American president and VP ganging up on a (once ally's) wartime leader. And talks of leaving NATO would have been unimaginable even a decade ago.

I really hope conservatives snap back to reality that none of this is normal. That despite our political differences, we as Americans used to enjoy a good life at home and respect abroad. And we've thrown away our values, influence, and prosperity for nothing.

[Gil Dobie]

I remember when I joined this board - when things weren't as politically polarizing - we all cared about democracy. We might have disagreed on taxes or global warming, but one thing that united us was an understanding that Putin/Russia were threats to freedom around the world.

You can tell Russian propaganda has perversely infiltrated the American right to the point they're brainlessly following Russian marching orders. No one would have blinked defending Ukraine's freedom and democracy from our largest adversary, and now they cheer an American president and VP ganging up on a (once ally's) wartime leader. And talks of leaving NATO would have been unimaginable even a decade ago.

I really hope conservatives snap back to reality that none of this is normal. That despite our political differences, we as Americans used to enjoy a good life at home and respect abroad. And we've thrown away our values, influence, and prosperity for nothing.

Blame game doesn't go far and causes more division. The powers that be need to give us better choices than Biden and Trump. It's the United States not Donks vs Conks. This is what they give us and people blindly fall into conks vs donks and the beat goes on.

[Caribbean Hen]

I remember when I joined this board - when things weren't as politically polarizing - we all cared about democracy. We might have disagreed on taxes or global warming, but one thing that united us was an understanding that Putin/Russia were threats to freedom around the world.

You can tell Russian propaganda has perversely infiltrated the American right to the point they're brainlessly following Russian marching orders. No one would have blinked defending Ukraine's freedom and democracy from our largest adversary, and now they cheer an American president and VP ganging up on a (once ally's) wartime leader. And talks of leaving NATO would have been unimaginable even a decade ago.

I really hope conservatives snap back to reality that none of this is normal. That despite our political differences, we as Americans used to enjoy a good life at home and respect abroad. And we've thrown away our values, influence, and prosperity for nothing.

are you ready to fight for it?