Coronavirus COVID-19

[Gil Dobie]

It is beginning to look like this thing really does behave like its cousin, the common cold.


https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/arti ... 414533.php


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That's right in line with the article I posted about a week ago.

I think it's simply wiping out those susceptible and then won't be nearly as bad moving forward.

I still need to read more, but what you are saying is what I picked up...in a general sense.

I was hoping this would not be the case. The last resort is to combine masks, social distancing and hand washing.

[kalm]

I’m wondering what the breaking point will be, beyond which Americans decide to take this thing seriously


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Enough people knowing someone who is symptomatic or dies.

[kalm]

It is beginning to look like this thing really does behave like its cousin, the common cold.


https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/arti ... 414533.php


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That's right in line with the article I posted about a week ago.

I think it's simply wiping out those susceptible and then won't be nearly as bad moving forward.

I still need to read more, but what you are saying is what I picked up...in a general sense.

Except for possibly the long term clotting, organ damage, healthcare costs, economic damage, and deaths...................like what the common cold has caused.

But what the hell...let’s reopen.

[SeattleGriz]

I’m wondering what the breaking point will be, beyond which Americans decide to take this thing seriously


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Enough people knowing someone who is symptomatic or dies.

Nope. America can't even lose weight or deal with high blood pressure. Only when brought to It's knees, which could be financially, will America change to help itself.

[UNI88]

That's ok. Now the state can reopen the restaurants and they'll be better run with better food and service and lower prices because that's what happens when the state runs things. It'll be a kalmunist triptopia.

You need to read up some more on kalmunism. Kalmunism promotes private enterprise in a well regulated market. It also recognizes the quickest remedy to economic recovery during a pandemic is to shut down early and long enough to get the numbers manageable so that businesses can reopen sooner.

You’re slowly losing this discussion we had many times back in April.

Care to explain which discussion I'm losing and how?

[kalm]

You need to read up some more on kalmunism. Kalmunism promotes private enterprise in a well regulated market. It also recognizes the quickest remedy to economic recovery during a pandemic is to shut down early and long enough to get the numbers manageable so that businesses can reopen sooner.

You’re slowly losing this discussion we had many times back in April.

Care to explain which discussion I'm losing and how?

The economics of lockdown measures.

[UNI88]

Care to explain which discussion I'm losing and how?

The economics of lockdown measures.

And I was wrong how?

The response to this pandemic has been so jacked up (by political leaders and the general public) that it is impossible to know what would have have happened if people had responded differently.

I stand by my opinions. Reopening was the right call and helped to stabilize the economy. Now we stand on the brink of a possible resurgance and economic depression not because of the reopening but because people are selfish, lazy and gullible. If we hadn't had protests and riots; if more people had worn masks and physical distanced during and after reopening then we might not be on the brink.

[BDKJMU]

Late April-early June declining #s. Well, 2 weeks before the #s started going up:

Dallas

Miami:

Phoenix

Etc, etc, etc..

And you laugh at the WHO.

And I and people who at the notion the protests were a reason for the increase.

[AshevilleApp]

And you laugh at the WHO.

And I and people who at the notion the protests were a reason for the increase.

At

[BDKJMU]

And I and people who at the notion the protests were a reason for the increase.

So you laugh at yourself?

That's a good thing really, something we all should be able to do.

No.

[AshevilleApp]

So you laugh at yourself?

That's a good thing really, something we all should be able to do.

No.

Yes.

[AshevilleApp]

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[BDKJMU]

No.

Yes.

Nope. Reading is fundamental. Laughing at people who laugh at the notion the riots were the cause of the increasing #s isn't laughing at yourself.

[AshevilleApp]

Yes.

Nope. Reading is fundamental. Laughing at people who laugh at the notion the riots were the cause of the increasing #s isn't laughing at yourself.

Yeah, I missed the meaning on the first read through. The and instead of at helped. Grammar is fundamental as well.

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[UNI88]

Yes.

Nope. Reading is fundamental. Laughing at people who laugh at the notion the riots were the cause of the increasing #s isn't laughing at yourself.

That's funny because I at the shallow kool-aid drinkers who think that the riots were the only major cause of the increasing #s.

[BDKJMU]

Nope. Reading is fundamental. Laughing at people who laugh at the notion the riots were the cause of the increasing #s isn't laughing at yourself.

That's funny because I at the shallow kool-aid drinkers who think that the riots were the only major cause of the increasing #s.

I at the people who claim I said 'only'.

[kalm]

The economics of lockdown measures.

And I was wrong how?

The response to this pandemic has been so jacked up (by political leaders and the general public) that it is impossible to know what would have have happened if people had responded differently.

I stand by my opinions. Reopening was the right call and helped to stabilize the economy. Now we stand on the brink of a possible resurgance and economic depression not because of the reopening but because people are selfish, lazy and gullible. If we hadn't had protests and riots; if more people had worn masks and physical distanced during and after reopening then we might not be on the brink.

It remains to be seen. I hope that I end up being wrong, but I remember the debate back at the start being whether to shut down and for how long.

I agree with the rest of your post.

IE: your freedom to dine in/not wear a mask/not socially distance ends when that action jeopardizes the freedom of others.

[Gil Dobie]

And you laugh at the WHO.

And I and people who at the notion the protests were a reason for the increase.

Where is the big increase in Minnesota then?????

Riots were a month and a half ago.

[SeattleGriz]

And I was wrong how?

The response to this pandemic has been so jacked up (by political leaders and the general public) that it is impossible to know what would have have happened if people had responded differently.

I stand by my opinions. Reopening was the right call and helped to stabilize the economy. Now we stand on the brink of a possible resurgance and economic depression not because of the reopening but because people are selfish, lazy and gullible. If we hadn't had protests and riots; if more people had worn masks and physical distanced during and after reopening then we might not be on the brink.

It remains to be seen. I hope that I end up being wrong, but I remember the debate back at the start being whether to shut down and for how long.

I agree with the rest of your post.

IE: your freedom to dine in/not wear a mask/not socially distance ends when that action jeopardizes the freedom of others.

If they are at risk, why are they going out? Why are they not taking precautions?

[kalm]

It remains to be seen. I hope that I end up being wrong, but I remember the debate back at the start being whether to shut down and for how long.

I agree with the rest of your post.

IE: your freedom to dine in/not wear a mask/not socially distance ends when that action jeopardizes the freedom of others.

If they are at risk, why are they going out? Why are they not taking precautions?

Do you think people who don’t go out haven’t been infected?

[SeattleGriz]

If they are at risk, why are they going out? Why are they not taking precautions?

Do you think people who don’t go out haven’t been infected?

Hey Cleets. You don't answer a question with another question. Lol.

What I'm getting at, is that there are ALWAYS going to be those that are immunocompromised. Are we going to require everyone to now follow masking, social distancing to protect them, or are we going to ask the susceptible to protect themselves?

[Gil Dobie]

Do you think people who don’t go out haven’t been infected?

Hey Cleets. You don't answer a question with another question. Lol.

What I'm getting at, is that there are ALWAYS going to be those that are immunocompromised. Are we going to require everyone to now follow masking, social distancing to protect them, or are we going to ask the susceptible to protect themselves?

If the antibodies are fading, masking combined with social distancing and hand washing would get this under control before football season. No lockdown required.

[SeattleGriz]

Hey Cleets. You don't answer a question with another question. Lol.

What I'm getting at, is that there are ALWAYS going to be those that are immunocompromised. Are we going to require everyone to now follow masking, social distancing to protect them, or are we going to ask the susceptible to protect themselves?

If the antibodies are fading, masking combined with social distancing and hand washing would get this under control before football season. No lockdown required.

I'm not against any of that. I'm trying to say that a line has to be drawn as to what is reasonable.

Let's say we whoop COVID. What about all the people that will still walk around immunocompromised due to illness or medication? Are we still going to require masks and social distancing to protect them? If not, why not? Don't their lives matter?

[kalm]

If the antibodies are fading, masking combined with social distancing and hand washing would get this under control before football season. No lockdown required.

I'm not against any of that. I'm trying to say that a line has to be drawn as to what is reasonable.

Let's say we whoop COVID. What about all the people that will still walk around immunocompromised due to illness or medication? Are we still going to require masks and social distancing to protect them? If not, why not? Don't their lives matter?

We’re not even remotely close to that. This isn’t about letting the compromised out of quarantine (I’m guessing most of them already do it). This about buying time for curative and or vaccine treatments and getting the numbers down where it’s controllable.