Coronavirus COVID-19

[Ibanez]

What has that to do with suing a mayor for issuing a public health mandate?

My bad. Thought you were asking about cases in Georgia.

But it's still good information on how hospitals are incentivized to upcode to COVID.

Oh, no. I was curious for Baldy's take about a Republican Gov suing a Democratic mayor (and trying to issue a gag order) for issuing a mask mandate but he isn't doing it for another.

[Baldy]

So WTF is going on in Georgia? Gov. Kemp is suing Atlanta for its mask mandate (Democratic run) but it isn't suing Athens for theirs (also Democratic run).

Baldy - what's going on down there?

I'm sure IvyTalk Esq. can confirm this or not with the appropriate legal mumbo jumbo jargon, but since Atlanta, Athens, Savannah, etc all have similar mask requirements, a judgment against Atlanta's mandate would also apply to those other cities too. It saves from having to bring multiple suits against multiple jurisdictions.

[Winterborn]

So WTF is going on in Georgia? Gov. Kemp is suing Atlanta for its mask mandate (Democratic run) but it isn't suing Athens for theirs (also Democratic run).

Baldy - what's going on down there?

I'm not Baldy, but I would bet a good portion is the medical community attributing anything they can to COVID.

An similar example. The U of Washington got busted about 10 years ago for upcoding diagnosis codes. They said they performed a more expensive procedure than they really did'nt. They bilked Medicare for $50 million.

Big money in upcoding, and that's what has been incentivized with higher payouts for a COVID diagnosis.

An acquaintance at Mayo says they are doing something similar. Billing for treatment for COVID when treating for something else (Ex: Broken leg) after receiving a positive COVID test.

[Gil Dobie]

I'm not Baldy, but I would bet a good portion is the medical community attributing anything they can to COVID.

An similar example. The U of Washington got busted about 10 years ago for upcoding diagnosis codes. They said they performed a more expensive procedure than they really did'nt. They bilked Medicare for $50 million.

Big money in upcoding, and that's what has been incentivized with higher payouts for a COVID diagnosis.

An acquaintance at Mayo says they are doing something similar. Billing for treatment for COVID when treating for something else (Ex: Broken leg) after receiving a positive COVID test.

I can see that, because the Patient with a broken leg will be treated in the Covid unit with Covid protocol.

[Winterborn]

Study on opening schools in Germany.

Article is in German but can be translated.

The spread of the corona virus in kindergartens, schools and families has apparently been overestimated. A study by the Medical Faculty of the Technical University of Dresden, for which more than 2,000 schoolchildren and teachers have been tested for antibodies since the reopening of schools in Saxony in the spring, did not provide any evidence that the virus spreads particularly quickly in schools, nor does it prove so that it is transmitted particularly often by children. "It is rather the opposite," said study director Reinhard Berner, director of the polyclinic for children and adolescent medicine at the Dresden University Hospital. “Children act more like a brake on the infection. Not every infection that reaches them is passed on. "

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inl ... 58827.html

[Winterborn]

An acquaintance at Mayo says they are doing something similar. Billing for treatment for COVID when treating for something else (Ex: Broken leg) after receiving a positive COVID test.

I can see that, because the Patient with a broken leg will be treated in the Covid unit with Covid protocol.

But they were not. Not everybody is sent to the COVID unit. From what was told to me, only those that are displaying symptoms get the protocol.

[Gil Dobie]

I can see that, because the Patient with a broken leg will be treated in the Covid unit with Covid protocol.

But they were not. Not everybody is sent to the COVID unit. From what was told to me, only those that are displaying symptoms get the protocol.

It appears to contradict what their website says.

Mayo clinic Link

Patients who test positive for COVID-19 are isolated and treated with the highest standard of care. Extraordinary precautions are taken to ensure that Mayo Clinic remains safe for patients.

[Winterborn]

But they were not. Not everybody is sent to the COVID unit. From what was told to me, only those that are displaying symptoms get the protocol.

It appears to contradict what their website says.

Mayo clinic Link

Patients who test positive for COVID-19 are isolated and treated with the highest standard of care. Extraordinary precautions are taken to ensure that Mayo Clinic remains safe for patients.

That it does. Kind of interesting isn't it.

[Winterborn]

There are three possibilities that come to mind.

1) My friend is lying or I misunderstood what was stated.
2) The website is lying.
3) Neither is lying, just depends on the circumstances of the patient.

My assumption is it is possibility 3 as it gives both sides the benefit of the doubt. I have been involved in website content from a legal/business side before and while they try to put out what accurate, it does not cover every situation. It is usually generic for obvious reasons.

[AZGrizFan]

Surely you can't be serious with that question. Virtually EVERY zone starts going up 2-3 weeks after the riots started, after six straight weeks of a downward trend during reopeing....

It coincides with opening the state up. Sure there are some that happened because of the riots, but the cases rising across the state does not correlate, with the riots only happening in a few metro area's. The riots were basically done on May 29th, there were peaceful protest after that.
Metro cases started to rise 4 weeks later. Why are the suburbs, Central and North also rising at a similar time after the state opens up. Look at the south, they have been consistent due to the meat packing plants.

So you ONLY had protests IN downtown Minneapolis? In Texas we had them in Dallas, Austin, Houston, San Antonio, and many many smaller communities had peaceful protests, but gatherings nonetheless...are you saying there were NO gatherings outside of the riots we saw downtown? And you assume the people AT the riots/protests only lived downtown?

[Gil Dobie]

It coincides with opening the state up. Sure there are some that happened because of the riots, but the cases rising across the state does not correlate, with the riots only happening in a few metro area's. The riots were basically done on May 29th, there were peaceful protest after that.
Metro cases started to rise 4 weeks later. Why are the suburbs, Central and North also rising at a similar time after the state opens up. Look at the south, they have been consistent due to the meat packing plants.

So you ONLY had protests IN downtown Minneapolis? In Texas we had them in Dallas, Austin, Houston, San Antonio, and many many smaller communities had peaceful protests, but gatherings nonetheless...are you saying there were NO gatherings outside of the riots we saw downtown? And you assume the people AT the riots/protests only lived downtown?

Did you see the post about covid test for protesters? They tested positive at a lower rate than the general public.

[AZGrizFan]

So you ONLY had protests IN downtown Minneapolis? In Texas we had them in Dallas, Austin, Houston, San Antonio, and many many smaller communities had peaceful protests, but gatherings nonetheless...are you saying there were NO gatherings outside of the riots we saw downtown? And you assume the people AT the riots/protests only lived downtown?

Did you see the post about covid test for protesters? They tested positive at a lower rate than the general public.

and?

[Gil Dobie]

There are three possibilities that come to mind.

1) My friend is lying or I misunderstood what was stated.
2) The website is lying.
3) Neither is lying, just depends on the circumstances of the patient.

My assumption is it is possibility 3 as it gives both sides the benefit of the doubt. I have been involved in website content from a legal/business side before and while they try to put out what accurate, it does not cover every situation. It is usually generic for obvious reasons.

My thought is that they put the patients in a separate area that may not have been designated an official Covid area, but were still isolated.

[AZGrizFan]

There are three possibilities that come to mind.

1) My friend is lying or I misunderstood what was stated.
2) The website is lying.
3) Neither is lying, just depends on the circumstances of the patient.

My assumption is it is possibility 3 as it gives both sides the benefit of the doubt. I have been involved in website content from a legal/business side before and while they try to put out what accurate, it does not cover every situation. It is usually generic for obvious reasons.

My thought is that they put the patients in a separate area that may not have been designated an official Covid area, but were still isolated.

And they're counted as a COVID case - fine.

But if they die, they're counted as a COVID death - NOT fine.

[Gil Dobie]

Did you see the post about covid test for protesters? They tested positive at a lower rate than the general public.

and?

The protest are not a significant single reason for the rise of cases. The opening of the state can be argued as a better reason for the rise, than the protest.

[Gil Dobie]

Did you see the post about covid test for protesters? They tested positive at a lower rate than the general public.

and?

Early data from coronavirus tests of Minnesotans who participated in demonstrations after the death of George Floyd suggest the mass gatherings may not result in a spike in COVID-19 infections.

More than 3,300 people who participated in protests and community events after Floyd’s death were tested for the coronavirus this week at four community testing sites. Floyd died on Memorial Day after Derek Chauvin, at the time a Minneapolis police officer, knelt on his neck for nearly nine minutes.

Results from about 40 percent of the coronavirus tests done in St. Paul and Minneapolis this week show 1.4 percent of participants who were tested had contracted COVID-19. Health officials are awaiting the rest of the test results and are encouraging anyone who participated in mass gatherings to get tested — regardless of symptoms.

The 1.4 percent positivity rate is lower than the 3.7 positivity rate of the more than 13,000 test results reported Friday. It is lower than the current seven-day average rate of positive tests, which is also 3.7 percent.

[Winterborn]

There are three possibilities that come to mind.

1) My friend is lying or I misunderstood what was stated.
2) The website is lying.
3) Neither is lying, just depends on the circumstances of the patient.

My assumption is it is possibility 3 as it gives both sides the benefit of the doubt. I have been involved in website content from a legal/business side before and while they try to put out what accurate, it does not cover every situation. It is usually generic for obvious reasons.

My thought is that they put the patients in a separate area that may not have been designated an official Covid area, but were still isolated.

Highly likely.

My concern is how and why they are receiving government funds for different patient cases and what that all entails. It dovetails into my looking into how COVID patients are coded and reported.

[AZGrizFan]

and?

Early data from coronavirus tests of Minnesotans who participated in demonstrations after the death of George Floyd suggest the mass gatherings may not result in a spike in COVID-19 infections.

More than 3,300 people who participated in protests and community events after Floyd’s death were tested for the coronavirus this week at four community testing sites. Floyd died on Memorial Day after Derek Chauvin, at the time a Minneapolis police officer, knelt on his neck for nearly nine minutes.

Results from about 40 percent of the coronavirus tests done in St. Paul and Minneapolis this week show 1.4 percent of participants who were tested had contracted COVID-19. Health officials are awaiting the rest of the test results and are encouraging anyone who participated in mass gatherings to get tested — regardless of symptoms.

The 1.4 percent positivity rate is lower than the 3.7 positivity rate of the more than 13,000 test results reported Friday. It is lower than the current seven-day average rate of positive tests, which is also 3.7 percent.

When was this testing period?

[89Hen]

[AZGrizFan]

I would LOVE to know when that story was on GMA.

And I love that Dr's quote...."the ILLUSION of safety".....people are just sheep, plain and simple. And it turns out they're violent, angry sheep towards those who don't "comply".

[Gil Dobie]

Early data from coronavirus tests of Minnesotans who participated in demonstrations after the death of George Floyd suggest the mass gatherings may not result in a spike in COVID-19 infections.

More than 3,300 people who participated in protests and community events after Floyd’s death were tested for the coronavirus this week at four community testing sites. Floyd died on Memorial Day after Derek Chauvin, at the time a Minneapolis police officer, knelt on his neck for nearly nine minutes.

Results from about 40 percent of the coronavirus tests done in St. Paul and Minneapolis this week show 1.4 percent of participants who were tested had contracted COVID-19. Health officials are awaiting the rest of the test results and are encouraging anyone who participated in mass gatherings to get tested — regardless of symptoms.

The 1.4 percent positivity rate is lower than the 3.7 positivity rate of the more than 13,000 test results reported Friday. It is lower than the current seven-day average rate of positive tests, which is also 3.7 percent.

When was this testing period?

2 weeks after Floyd was murdered.

[AZGrizFan]

When was this testing period?

2 weeks after Floyd was murdered.

That's not nearly enough time. They should test those same people today.

[Gil Dobie]

2 weeks after Floyd was murdered.

That's not nearly enough time. They should test those same people today.

If you have Covid, you have Covid at the time of the test, unless it's was a bad test. Antibodies take a while to show up in antibody test, but these Antibodies are not what tells you if you have Covid or not. Antibodies tell you that you have had Covid.

[Gil Dobie]

I would LOVE to know when that story was on GMA.

And I love that Dr's quote...."the ILLUSION of safety".....people are just sheep, plain and simple. And it turns out they're violent, angry sheep towards those who don't "comply".

I assume it was back in March with all the people in the studio. It's not mask alone that work. It's the combination of mask, social distancing and hand washing. How do businesses that do these suggested protocols, along with temp checks, go a month and a half without new cases? Is it just luck that those groups of thousands of people are random negative cases.

[SeattleGriz]

I'm not Baldy, but I would bet a good portion is the medical community attributing anything they can to COVID.

An similar example. The U of Washington got busted about 10 years ago for upcoding diagnosis codes. They said they performed a more expensive procedure than they really did'nt. They bilked Medicare for $50 million.

Big money in upcoding, and that's what has been incentivized with higher payouts for a COVID diagnosis.

An acquaintance at Mayo says they are doing something similar. Billing for treatment for COVID when treating for something else (Ex: Broken leg) after receiving a positive COVID test.

Yes. You put COVID as the primary and you make more money.