Hey Clarence Darrow, it's amazing to get a glimpse of the America you already think exists, in whch state actors should go around disrupting voluntarily expressions of religious faith just becuase they are happening on public grounds; and in which secular groups are entitled to use public school rooms to meet, but religious groups cannot -- even though the right to freedom of religon is expressly protected by the First Amendment.D1B wrote:Cap'n Cat wrote:
Joe, re my first paragraph, I think you're being too absolute and that is NOT the exact intent of the law. If I get some energy, I'll look up my own data. Thanks for your comments.
Re the second one paragraph, I stated long ago in this thread that the majority tend to excuse what is against the law here because few seem to care one way or the other. Creches violate the law left and right because few challenge them. Oranizations like the ACLU and People For The American Way are overwhelmed at Xmas time, trying to beat back offenders. It's a rat race and lots of rats get through the wide filter our Consitution Might seem to) allow them. As time goes on and the world gets more secular, these things will disappear.
DJH, don't know what to tell you. We two are on entirely different wavelengths. I won't try to convince you. Take some time and look up things around this issue.
As the thread title says, this really pisses Cap'n Cat off.
Joe, will argue his (and likeminded religious zealots) interpretation of the constitution till he's blue in the face, yet countless court cases continue to be won by freethinkers and church/state separation advocates. So **** him, he don't mean ****.
Cap'n is dead on, some slip through the cracks, in places like Ohio or Mississippi, but that don't mean **** either, ultimately. Freethinkers have lives and families to take care of and typically don't expend unhealthy amounts of financial and emotional resources into **** like this like the Jesus **** do.
If God were alive today, he'd be an atheist. God bless the ACLU and Freedom From Religion Foundation!
http://ffrf.org/legal/legal3.php
You think there are countless decdisions supporting this Stalin-like vision of America? You are wrong. As the link I provided earlier sunmmarizes:
Schools are actually forbidden from interfering with students' individual, non-disruptive prayers, their formation of prayer-groups, their formation of religious student clubs, and their and other non-disruptive, entirely student-led religious activities. That "non-disruptive" component is key. Participation in and exposure to the religious activity has to be completely voluntary on the part of the other students. As long as those conditions are met, it would actually be unconstitutional for the schools to interfere (note the "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" portion). Students who are stopped by their school from engaging in non-disruptive religious activity can sue, and in fact on numerous occasions have sued successfully to prevent the school from interfering. Many Traditionalists unfortunately ignore the work courts have done to protect students' rights to conduct non-disruptive religious activities when leveling often unfair charges of activism against modern courts. Many Church-State Separationists have also created these problems by falsely claiming to schools that they are subject to legal action if they do not take such action.
The case law is flatly to the contrary. Stop blowing nonsense like hot air through the blowhole of a whale (an apt analogy on many levels).
