houndawg wrote:
Translation: "Medicare is becoming more and more difficult to bilk."
Even if true, your point is not related to Doctors dropping out of Medicare. Thanks for making another ridiculous post.
Jeezus, nation, that is feeble. Do I have to spell out everything for you?
Your doctor buddies are bent that they can't charge $400 for enough betadyne solution to wash out a cut knee. (Actual charge from itemized bill after my visit to ER).
Losing money.
More like losing the right to steal.
You matter. Unless you multiply yourself by c squared. Then you energy.
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CID1990 wrote:The saddest part to all of this is that even many suppporters of this bill concede that it is a mess, and yet we still passed it in the name of 'reforming healthcare'. We have gotten to the point that we will knowingly allow total poltical disingenuousness in the name of political capital. We slapped the reform label on a piece of sh!t without trying to disguise it as a steak, sold it as a steak, even though the people who bought it KNEW it was a piece of sh!t.
It was like slapping a Mercedes tag on a Yugo and then successfully selling it to a Mercedes dealer.
Plain awful.
How many pieces of legislation that have passed in your lifetime are you 100% supportive of... down to every detail? My guess is not many. A piece of legislation this big has to appease many different groups, demographics, etc. Some parts will piss some people off, some parts will make those people happy, etc. etc. It's how this stuff works. I don't like everything in the health care bill. But, I'm very happy it was passed... I support the vast majority of it. I don't expect Congress to pass bills that I support 100%.
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CID1990 wrote:The saddest part to all of this is that even many suppporters of this bill concede that it is a mess, and yet we still passed it in the name of 'reforming healthcare'. We have gotten to the point that we will knowingly allow total poltical disingenuousness in the name of political capital. We slapped the reform label on a piece of sh!t without trying to disguise it as a steak, sold it as a steak, even though the people who bought it KNEW it was a piece of sh!t.
It was like slapping a Mercedes tag on a Yugo and then successfully selling it to a Mercedes dealer.
Plain awful.
Gotten to the point? We've been there for decades.
That IS the point. The fact that we all know it, even the worst political Pollyannas know it, and yet we seem to just turn a blind eye. It is as if Congress knew that they had to pass SOMETHING to justify all the time spent on the issue. Ultimately, in the end, it wasn't about healthcare. It was about re-election, and everybody knows it.
As I said, we knowingly allow this to happen. In days gone by, the wool really was pulled over some peoples' eyes. Not this time, and that's what makes it grotesque.
"You however, are an insufferable ankle biting mental chihuahua..." - Clizzoris
CID1990 wrote:The saddest part to all of this is that even many suppporters of this bill concede that it is a mess, and yet we still passed it in the name of 'reforming healthcare'. We have gotten to the point that we will knowingly allow total poltical disingenuousness in the name of political capital. We slapped the reform label on a piece of sh!t without trying to disguise it as a steak, sold it as a steak, even though the people who bought it KNEW it was a piece of sh!t.
It was like slapping a Mercedes tag on a Yugo and then successfully selling it to a Mercedes dealer.
Plain awful.
How many pieces of legislation that have passed in your lifetime are you 100% supportive of... down to every detail? My guess is not many. A piece of legislation this big has to appease many different groups, demographics, etc. Some parts will piss some people off, some parts will make those people happy, etc. etc. It's how this stuff works. I don't like everything in the health care bill. But, I'm very happy it was passed... I support the vast majority of it. I don't expect Congress to pass bills that I support 100%.
You're close, SK. I don't think I have ever approved 100% of any Federal bill. I used to actually read many of them, and it got so frustrating I decided that I had to limit my intake or else I would die of hypertension. Sort of like too much salt.
I understand that large social spending bills need to have a little bit for everyone, but that is exactly why they are crafted so badly. Plus, in this day and age, there is no such thing as a Federal spending bill that does not have obscene amounts of pork, political bribes and buddy-buddy circle jerking. It is so out of control that some politicians do not even fear backlash when they publicly defend the practices.
Saying that things are the way they are because of some immovable dynamic is surrender, and I refuse to do so. When we destroy bills and turn them into basket cases just to get them passed, that should indicate to some people that the idea was not all that good in the first place.
"You however, are an insufferable ankle biting mental chihuahua..." - Clizzoris
CID1990 wrote:The saddest part to all of this is that even many suppporters of this bill concede that it is a mess, and yet we still passed it in the name of 'reforming healthcare'. We have gotten to the point that we will knowingly allow total poltical disingenuousness in the name of political capital. We slapped the reform label on a piece of sh!t without trying to disguise it as a steak, sold it as a steak, even though the people who bought it KNEW it was a piece of sh!t.
It was like slapping a Mercedes tag on a Yugo and then successfully selling it to a Mercedes dealer.
Plain awful.
How many pieces of legislation that have passed in your lifetime are you 100% supportive of... down to every detail? My guess is not many. A piece of legislation this big has to appease many different groups, demographics, etc. Some parts will piss some people off, some parts will make those people happy, etc. etc. It's how this stuff works. I don't like everything in the health care bill. But, I'm very happy it was passed... I support the vast majority of it. I don't expect Congress to pass bills that I support 100%.
Zero, that is why you have to look at the totality and this one is totally a mess
houndawg wrote:
Gotten to the point? We've been there for decades.
That IS the point. The fact that we all know it, even the worst political Pollyannas know it, and yet we seem to just turn a blind eye. It is as if Congress knew that they had to pass SOMETHING to justify all the time spent on the issue. Ultimately, in the end, it wasn't about healthcare. It was about re-election, and everybody knows it.
As I said, we knowingly allow this to happen. In days gone by, the wool really was pulled over some peoples' eyes. Not this time, and that's what makes it grotesque.
Of course that's true, but what issue isn't about staying in power?
You matter. Unless you multiply yourself by c squared. Then you energy.
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What has some Jewish rabbi from 2000 years ago have to do with healthcare today? You are a moron.
By the way......I'm so phuckin sick of the CONK bullsh*t in this country. Please get your sorry *ss states to secede and be done with it! We'll see who makes out better in the long run!
I assume you refer to the Southeast in this statement. What about all of the Dems down here? And what about all of the Rebubs everywhere else? Should this new "Conk" nation deport all Democrats and the new U.S. do the same to the Republicans (not that they wouldn't be flooding over the border anyway)? The U.S. wouldn't make it two years. Every major corporate hq would be relocating immediately, all the banks, etc. The brain drain would be overwhelming. All the new startups would come here to kick off their businesses. The old U.S. would overwhelmed with entitlement seeking losers, all the undocumented immigrants that don't actually work but just game the system (the ones who work and want to contribute to society would be allowed to integrate into the new South), the oppressive regualtory verve of the pseudo liberal do gooders, and the massive litigation costs of the trial lawyers who would suddenly find the new South a very inhospitable place. All while tax revenues plummet. Remember, if you make less than 50K/year in the U.S., you effectively pay zero fed income tax. The vast majority of upper income earners would migrate to the new South fairly quickly when they saw the massive improvement in their quality of life.
So I won't lose a ton of sleep over the idea.
However, it would mean a massive influx of yankees and a rapid increase in the population. Shut your fucking piehole before someone hears you and takes you seriously.
By the way, you're still a moron.
Dear lord... please allow this dangerous combination of hair spary, bat slobber, and D.O.T. four automatic transmission fluid to excite my mind, occupy my spirits, and enrage my body, provoking me to kick any man or woman in the back of the head regardless of what he or she has or has not done unto me. All my Best, Earlie Cuyler.
By the way......I'm so phuckin sick of the CONK bullsh*t in this country. Please get your sorry *ss states to secede and be done with it! We'll see who makes out better in the long run!
One thing Jesus would NOT do is say, "go forth and have government make OTHER PEOPLE take care of the sick." He'd say "YOU take care of people." This thing of acting like the "Christian" thing is to vote in a way that forces other people to be charitable is ridiculous. No. the "Christian" thing to do is for YOU voluntarily to take care of other people. You don't take steps to force other people to do it.
If you study the teachings of Christ and the early church, JSO is dead-on here. In no way would the early Christian church or Christ himself would have advocated a abdication of personal responsibility to the state.
As for secession, I would fully support a "split up" of the United States. We have reached a point in history where people differ enough regionally in their beliefs about the role of government that a spit up of the United States would be appropriate. That was brought home to me just yesterday when I saw a link to a map showing how different congressional districts vote in the Presidential election. Looking at that map it looks like the whole country has a President that won the majority vote in about maybe 20% of the area in the country. Certainly less than 30%.
We've reached the point where our interests have diverged enough to justify establishment of separate nations
Here is where we disagree. I think it would be a major misstep to break up the republic at this point.
Dear lord... please allow this dangerous combination of hair spary, bat slobber, and D.O.T. four automatic transmission fluid to excite my mind, occupy my spirits, and enrage my body, provoking me to kick any man or woman in the back of the head regardless of what he or she has or has not done unto me. All my Best, Earlie Cuyler.
Yes, I'd love to see that. Just make sure Alaska is with us since that's how their majority policial orientation goes. Then we'll see how you people on the fringes...the exterme northeast, the midwest along the Canadian border, the border with Mexico and the immediate West Coast do.
When I look at the area in red vs. the area in blue, I'd feel very good about the red area being able to get by without the blue. A lot better than I'd feel if I was in a blue area thinking about getting by without the red..
No shit!! That map was suprising to say the least. If that's how it splits up, then the "Blue" nation would be screwed.
Dear lord... please allow this dangerous combination of hair spary, bat slobber, and D.O.T. four automatic transmission fluid to excite my mind, occupy my spirits, and enrage my body, provoking me to kick any man or woman in the back of the head regardless of what he or she has or has not done unto me. All my Best, Earlie Cuyler.
BlueHen86 wrote:
Except that the launch codes are in DC, which means the Marion Barry will be in charge of them once a split occurs.
That's right muthafugga, I got somethin fo yo cracka ass! Now, where that self-deestruct button.....
Well, if there is one thing Marion Barry knows all about, it would be self-destruction.
Dear lord... please allow this dangerous combination of hair spary, bat slobber, and D.O.T. four automatic transmission fluid to excite my mind, occupy my spirits, and enrage my body, provoking me to kick any man or woman in the back of the head regardless of what he or she has or has not done unto me. All my Best, Earlie Cuyler.
JohnStOnge wrote:
Yes, I know. Given that we're all in the same country I have no problem with the system. I'm saying there's something to the idea that the time has come for different regions of this country to go their separate ways. I think that there's something to relative commonality within identifiable geographic areas. Right now I think there's a huge difference in terms of the general distributions of philosophies and outlooks between people in say, New York and California and people in, say, Texas and Georgia. I think there is a point at which people in a discrete geographic region should have the right to govern themselves without inteference from people in other regions. Somebody in Texas shouldn't have to swallow stuff they really don't like because an overwhelming majority of people in New York and California want it.
Of course the problem could also be solved by returning to a Federal government role consistent with the actual language and original understanding of the Constitution. That way the Federal government wouldn't even be considering getting involved in trying to ensure that everybody gets health care and wouldn't be doing a whole lot of other things it's doing, the states would be sovereign, and the everyday lives of people would be subject to rules controlled to a much greater extent by their local and state governments.
"Stuff" being a black man in the White House.
I don't see anything in there that could even remotely be construed as saying what you are accusing him of saying. Nice straw-man though.
Dear lord... please allow this dangerous combination of hair spary, bat slobber, and D.O.T. four automatic transmission fluid to excite my mind, occupy my spirits, and enrage my body, provoking me to kick any man or woman in the back of the head regardless of what he or she has or has not done unto me. All my Best, Earlie Cuyler.
dbackjon wrote:
All of our doctors take Medicare, and always have. Medicare has made great strides in paying timely - they have now become the most efficient payor. And with a majority of plans paying at Medicare or near Medicare rates, you have to operate your practice efficiently as well to make good money, but it is acheivable.
Now if the 21% rate cut takes effect permenantly, then that proposition becomes much harder.
Bummer, there goes Wednesday golf.
You have a real issue with successful people don't you? Did a successful guy fuck your girlfriend or something?
Dear lord... please allow this dangerous combination of hair spary, bat slobber, and D.O.T. four automatic transmission fluid to excite my mind, occupy my spirits, and enrage my body, provoking me to kick any man or woman in the back of the head regardless of what he or she has or has not done unto me. All my Best, Earlie Cuyler.
native wrote:
Even if true, your point is not related to Doctors dropping out of Medicare. Thanks for making another ridiculous post.
Jeezus, nation, that is feeble. Do I have to spell out everything for you?
Your doctor buddies are bent that they can't charge $400 for enough betadyne solution to wash out a cut knee. (Actual charge from itemized bill after my visit to ER).
Losing money.
More like losing the right to steal.
You show your ignorance more with every post. Do you even read your own stuff before you hit submit?
Dear lord... please allow this dangerous combination of hair spary, bat slobber, and D.O.T. four automatic transmission fluid to excite my mind, occupy my spirits, and enrage my body, provoking me to kick any man or woman in the back of the head regardless of what he or she has or has not done unto me. All my Best, Earlie Cuyler.
CID1990 wrote:
That IS the point. The fact that we all know it, even the worst political Pollyannas know it, and yet we seem to just turn a blind eye. It is as if Congress knew that they had to pass SOMETHING to justify all the time spent on the issue. Ultimately, in the end, it wasn't about healthcare. It was about re-election, and everybody knows it.
As I said, we knowingly allow this to happen. In days gone by, the wool really was pulled over some peoples' eyes. Not this time, and that's what makes it grotesque.
Of course that's true, but what issue isn't about staying in power?
healthcare reform isn't about staying in power. It's about figuring out how to make our current fouled up system sustainable.
Oh, I see what you did there!
You know, I had this dog that just died. She was 16 and I loved her dearly, but she was dumb as a sign post. But even as dumb as that dog was, it only took me a week to train her on the hidden fence we installed a few years ago. I'm 42 y.o. and in my adult life I've found myself in the same situation every four years over and over again and I continue to make the same old two party mistake. Hell, I even wrote my senior thesis on the narrowness and absurdity of the American politcal system, and here I am. Does that mean that we are all collectively dumber than my old dog?
Dear lord... please allow this dangerous combination of hair spary, bat slobber, and D.O.T. four automatic transmission fluid to excite my mind, occupy my spirits, and enrage my body, provoking me to kick any man or woman in the back of the head regardless of what he or she has or has not done unto me. All my Best, Earlie Cuyler.
Good to be back Col! I've been on vacation for a couple of weeks. See, I worked really hard for the first 26 years of my life, spent an assload of my parents and my own money, denied myself lots of personal freedoms in an attempt to achieve a goal. I got there thank god, and then went out and borrowed another assload of money to start a business in which I could practice the skills I had worked so hard to gain over those 26 years, putting myself at great financial risk. I remember many times in the first 10 years of my marriage when if it weren't for my wife's income we'd have not been able to make the mortgage or buy food. Starting a business is a bitch. But it all worked out, and here I am in my early 40's finally beginning to reap the benefits of all those years of hard work and risk. I guess I'm a pretty selfish bastard for expecting that I should be rewarded proportionately for my efforts, and actually be able to afford to take a couple of weeks of leisure time with my family. See, it isn't fair that I can now in my 40's afford to go to a nice resort on the Gulf and hangout and fish with my kids and wife. How dare I live a nice life now. How dare I want to sock away lots of money in my retirement so I can retire early and hopefully enjoy my grandchildren and spend some real time with my wife travelling and doing all those things we didn't do in our youth. What a bastard I am. I should be punished for not doing my part all these last few years.
I'm so glad that I have guys like HD and Kalm to show me how wrong I am.
Nevermind that I guarantee you I paid more in income taxes than either of those motherfuckers combined and didn't complain one time about it, and I probably gave more in charitable contributions than either of them dreamed of giving. Way more. And I volunteered over 100 hours of my time delivering free healthcare to indigent populations at our free clinic last year, and ran the administration of the dental side of the clinic in my free time. See, I make a real contribution to the lack of accessible healthcare in society, I don't just cast a vote and wait for others to do the work and pay for it, while I spew crap from my never shut piehole. But you know me, I'm a rich bastard.
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Dear lord... please allow this dangerous combination of hair spary, bat slobber, and D.O.T. four automatic transmission fluid to excite my mind, occupy my spirits, and enrage my body, provoking me to kick any man or woman in the back of the head regardless of what he or she has or has not done unto me. All my Best, Earlie Cuyler.
Good to be back Col! I've been on vacation for a couple of weeks. See, I worked really hard for the first 26 years of my life, spent an assload of my parents and my own money, denied myself lots of personal freedoms in an attempt to achieve a goal. I got there thank god, and then went out and borrowed another assload of money to start a business in which I could practice the skills I had worked so hard to gain over those 26 years, putting myself at great financial risk. But it all worked out, and here I am at in my early 40's finally beginning to reap the benefits of all those years of hard work and risk. I guess I'm a pretty selfish bastard for expecting that I should be rewarded proportionately for my efforts. I'm so glad that I have guys like HD and Kalm to show me how wrong I am.
so quit yer bitchin and embrace the system that enabled you and your parents to get there.
death dealer wrote:
Good to be back Col! I've been on vacation for a couple of weeks. See, I worked really hard for the first 26 years of my life, spent an assload of my parents and my own money, denied myself lots of personal freedoms in an attempt to achieve a goal. I got there thank god, and then went out and borrowed another assload of money to start a business in which I could practice the skills I had worked so hard to gain over those 26 years, putting myself at great financial risk. But it all worked out, and here I am at in my early 40's finally beginning to reap the benefits of all those years of hard work and risk. I guess I'm a pretty selfish bastard for expecting that I should be rewarded proportionately for my efforts. I'm so glad that I have guys like HD and Kalm to show me how wrong I am.
so quit yer bitchin and embrace the system that enabled you and your parents to get there.
I do. Fully. It's certainly not the system that you imply it was, though.
Dear lord... please allow this dangerous combination of hair spary, bat slobber, and D.O.T. four automatic transmission fluid to excite my mind, occupy my spirits, and enrage my body, provoking me to kick any man or woman in the back of the head regardless of what he or she has or has not done unto me. All my Best, Earlie Cuyler.
For the record. I support a single-payer system. Everyone pays in proportionate to income (everyone, no exceptions or exemptions, flat rate) However, medical and dental school are free, malpractice is seriously limited with major reforms to the legal system. It would take time to implement and lots of work to fashion the perfect system, but I think you'd find most doctors would support a system like that. With the right leaders in place, it's possible for a system like this to work. What was just passed is not a solution. It is reform for reform's sake, not to solve the real problems in the system.
and all citizens much prostrate themselves in the presence of all doctors, chanting aloud the truth of our glorious magnificence. That should do it.
Dear lord... please allow this dangerous combination of hair spary, bat slobber, and D.O.T. four automatic transmission fluid to excite my mind, occupy my spirits, and enrage my body, provoking me to kick any man or woman in the back of the head regardless of what he or she has or has not done unto me. All my Best, Earlie Cuyler.
death dealer wrote:For the record. I support a single-payer system. Everyone pays in proportionate to income (everyone, no exceptions or exemptions, flat rate) However, medical and dental school are free, malpractice is seriously limited with major reforms to the legal system. It would take time to implement and lots of work to fashion the perfect system, but I think you'd find most doctors would support a system like that. With the right leaders in place, it's possible for a system like this to work. What was just passed is not a solution. It is reform for reform's sake, not to solve the real problems in the system.
and all citizens much prostrate themselves in the presence of all doctors, chanting aloud the truth of our glorious magnificence. That should do it.
I did not know you were a urologist...
“Tolerance and Apathy are the last virtues of a dying society.” Aristotle
Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.
death dealer wrote:
I don't see anything in there that could even remotely be construed as saying what you are accusing him of saying. Nice straw-man though.
Read it again, dennis, I didn't accuse JSO of anything. Your faculties seem to have diminished while you've been away.
You seem a mite peevish, too, but that's your problem, she wasn't your wife at the time.
Cute.
Your mom would probably tell you it's not nice to talk about someones wife that way. Of course, that's gonna be tough with her mouth full of my dick.
So, does your insurance company consider you being a total tard a pre-existing condition? I guess that's one good thing that'll come out of Obamacare.
Dear lord... please allow this dangerous combination of hair spary, bat slobber, and D.O.T. four automatic transmission fluid to excite my mind, occupy my spirits, and enrage my body, provoking me to kick any man or woman in the back of the head regardless of what he or she has or has not done unto me. All my Best, Earlie Cuyler.
Jeezus, nation, that is feeble. Do I have to spell out everything for you?
Shut your fucking piehole before someone hears you and takes you seriously.
