The Stock Market... watch this (here it comes)

[travelinman67]

The stock market is for suckers.

We put what we had in the market into capital improvements and durable goods purchases for the property. As money comes we'll put it into things like a grid-tie system and a deep well. New tractor that can run on homemade bio-diesel......ten years and we'll off the grid entirely.
You folks are missing the big pic, it's time to be dropping out of the system, not reinvesting in the same rigged game.

But what about your retirement, dawg? Ya can't expect hosannas if you bequeath a green tractor to your kids!

But the kids will love ya' when they start receiving the monthly land lease payments!

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Why the **** would I name one republican that is for oversight. That ain't my bag to defend.

There are moments in history for doing ****. I ain't even saying that isn't one of them. What I was clearly saying is that people are/were on this thread trying to figure out how to get out the way of this steamroller without getting crushed. If you go look at what I said again you'll see that I am not advocating nor defending any of that.

Newsflash Ursus: We have a two party system, and that sucks. I wasn't asking you to defend Republicans, but you were agreeing with Chizzang and the notion of Republican victory producing gridlock a few posts ago. That's at odds with your acknowledment of the need for "doing shit."

Truth be told, I'm far more interested in fixing what's fucked up than who does it. That' s probably why I will vote for Ron Paul next election.

Slick you ain't getting what I'm layin' down so I am telegraphing this message so I may be perfectly clear on what I am saying.
Stop.

Newsflash for you Kalm, there may be two parties and at this point I ain't attending either one. I am having a lovely beer down on the corner with some like minded mafucker's that don't feel like attending either your granola/emo party or the Jock party across the street. Have fun and all but it ain't everybody's scene to choose a team and defend their shit no matter what...it reminds me of Catholicism.
STOP

I think overall the less those fuckers get to hatchet at the better off we are are.
Stop

Sometimes "doing shit" is necessary and for all I know this MAY be one of those times...not too sure on that.
STOP

All I was talking about on this thread is that it is looking like the market is gonna get real scarred up over this shit and that part is of interest.
Stop.

With you on the Ron Paul thing, welcome to the bar.

End message.

[houndawg]

The stock market is for suckers.

We put what we had in the market into capital improvements and durable goods purchases for the property. As money comes we'll put it into things like a grid-tie system and a deep well. New tractor that can run on homemade bio-diesel......ten years and we'll off the grid entirely.
You folks are missing the big pic, it's time to be dropping out of the system, not reinvesting in the same rigged game.

But what about your retirement, dawg? Ya can't expect hosannas if you bequeath a green tractor to your kids!

Au contraire, Pierre. The kids will get 25 acres of land that will hedge against inflation very nicely in the coming years, thank you. They'll get some money too, but it won't be in a bank, more likely Krugerrands buried in the south pasture. As a matter of fact, I think they'll be quite impressed with their old Daddy's foresight.

[kalm]

...Oh and FWIW I don't think Kalm, Dawg, or any of the other Dem style posters (OK, there are a couple just not those guys) are asinine. Just differing perspectives on things and I ain't really in either group so I'm gonna bow out now....I think.

FWIW your opinion counts a great deal, Ursus. I realize you are a good and decent person and that you are thinking and communicating tactically and trying to be practical.

Maybe you do not feel threatened by the nonsense spouted by dawg and kalm, but you are turning a blind eye to the consequences - especially the long term consequences.

Mooooooowhaaaahahahaha.

Kalm and houndawg, strong enough to threaten the liberty and prosperity of the power elite with the long term consequences of a healthy middle class.



Please, please call me the false prophet again.

Please?

[AZGrizFan]

Newsflash Ursus: We have a two party system, and that sucks. I wasn't asking you to defend Republicans, but you were agreeing with Chizzang and the notion of Republican victory producing gridlock a few posts ago. That's at odds with your acknowledment of the need for "doing shit."

Truth be told, I'm far more interested in fixing what's fucked up than who does it. That' s probably why I will vote for Ron Paul next election.

Slick you ain't getting what I'm layin' down so I am telegraphing this message so I may be perfectly clear on what I am saying.
Stop.

Newsflash for you Kalm, there may be two parties and at this point I ain't attending either one. I am having a lovely beer down on the corner with some like minded mafucker's that don't feel like attending either your granola/emo party or the Jock party across the street. Have fun and all but it ain't everybody's scene to choose a team and defend their shit no matter what...it reminds me of Catholicism.
STOP

I think overall the less those fuckers get to hatchet at the better off we are are.
Stop

Sometimes "doing shit" is necessary and for all I know this MAY be one of those times...not too sure on that.
STOP

All I was talking about on this thread is that it is looking like the market is gonna get real scarred up over this shit and that part is of interest.
Stop.

With you on the Ron Paul thing, welcome to the bar.

End message.

That ball is OUTTA HERE!!!!

closed circuit to Ursus: you should ALWAYS talk in telegraph code.

[native]

...Please, please call me the false prophet again. Please?

OK. False Prophet! Just for you, though. Houndawg is not smart enough to be a prophet.

[native]

...Slick you ain't getting what I'm layin' down so I am telegraphing this message so I may be perfectly clear on what I am saying.
STOP.

Newsflash for you Kalm, there may be two parties and at this point I ain't attending either one. I am having a lovely beer down on the corner with some like minded mafucker's that don't feel like attending either your granola/emo party or the Jock party across the street. Have fun and all but it ain't everybody's scene to choose a team and defend their **** no matter what...it reminds me of Catholicism.
STOP

I think overall the less those **** get to hatchet at the better off we are are.
Stop

Sometimes "doing ****" is necessary and for all I know this MAY be one of those times...not too sure on that.
STOP

All I was talking about on this thread is that it is looking like the market is gonna get real scarred up over this **** and that part is of interest.
Stop.

With you on the Ron Paul thing, welcome to the bar.

End message.

[mainejeff]

[Col Hogan]

Soo, are you putting all your apples in one pie???

[danefan]

Apple is overpriced right now. Give it a couple months.

[mainejeff]

Soo, are you putting all your apples in one pie???

Just trying to help you guys make some money..........

[Appaholic]

Communism doesn't work Native. Neither does monopo-feudal-libertario-nannyism. The answer is in the middle and we are still way off to the right of middle.

You are dangerous to liberty and prosperity, kalm.

When you say "liberty", are your referring to having the right to choose any Christian church to attend on Sundays? And by "prosperity", do you actually mean the ability to extract any & all resources to improve & enrich your personal status & wealth within this miniscule lifetime with no regard of the impacts to your neighbors (or offspring)? Just wondering if that was your "perspective".....

[kalm]

Newsflash Ursus: We have a two party system, and that sucks. I wasn't asking you to defend Republicans, but you were agreeing with Chizzang and the notion of Republican victory producing gridlock a few posts ago. That's at odds with your acknowledment of the need for "doing ****."

Truth be told, I'm far more interested in fixing what's **** up than who does it. That' s probably why I will vote for Ron Paul next election.

Slick you ain't getting what I'm layin' down so I am telegraphing this message so I may be perfectly clear on what I am saying.
Stop.

Newsflash for you Kalm, there may be two parties and at this point I ain't attending either one. I am having a lovely beer down on the corner with some like minded mafucker's that don't feel like attending either your granola/emo party or the Jock party across the street. Have fun and all but it ain't everybody's scene to choose a team and defend their **** no matter what...it reminds me of Catholicism.
STOP

I think overall the less those **** get to hatchet at the better off we are are.
Stop

Sometimes "doing ****" is necessary and for all I know this MAY be one of those times...not too sure on that.
STOP

All I was talking about on this thread is that it is looking like the market is gonna get real scarred up over this **** and that part is of interest.
Stop.

With you on the Ron Paul thing, welcome to the bar.

End message.

In other words, get this shit out of here and move it to the personal finance board.

[mainejeff]

Apple is overpriced right now. Give it a couple months.

Yeah........give it a couple of months.

[native]

You are dangerous to liberty and prosperity, kalm.

When you say "liberty", are your referring to having the right to choose any Christian church to attend on Sundays? And by "prosperity", do you actually mean the ability to extract any & all resources to improve & enrich your personal status & wealth within this miniscule lifetime with no regard of the impacts to your neighbors (or offspring)? Just wondering if that was your "perspective".....

In the context of our most wonderful Declaration of Independence and Consitution of the United States of America:

1. Liberty: ability to exercise natural rights in the absence large concentrations of power, especially unnecessary government interference including whether to go to church and if so, which church, or synagogue, or stonehenge, etc...

2. Prosperity: ...includes the freedom to use one's own talents and hard work to succeed or fail, and to keep the fruits of one's own labor and accumulate and manage wealth and private property without kalm's or dawg's interference.

Prosperity is NOT the "ability to extract any & all resources to improve & enrich your personal status & wealth within this miniscule lifetime with no regard of the impacts to your neighbors (or offspring)" as you suggest.

I recognize that there are some limits and refuse to take your bait. But I don't buy the progressive solutions (which make things worse) and I think we have barely scratched the surface of human ingenuity regarding sustainable growth and prosperity and the ability to preserve liberty without imposing more government.

If I were young and stupid, appy, I would be more of a pure libertarian because I wouldn't understand the consequences of my actions. But I am old, have seen consequences, and been trained as a systems analyst, so I am not quite so stupid. I realize the every action and inaction has consequences, so I take your point in theory. But if you are implying that kalm's and dawgs solutions offer rational hope and improvement, you can go straight to ****, my provocative friend.

[Appaholic]

When you say "liberty", are your referring to having the right to choose any Christian church to attend on Sundays? And by "prosperity", do you actually mean the ability to extract any & all resources to improve & enrich your personal status & wealth within this miniscule lifetime with no regard of the impacts to your neighbors (or offspring)? Just wondering if that was your "perspective".....

In the context of our most wonderful Declaration of Independence and Consitution of the United States of America:

1. Liberty: ability to exercise natural rights in the absence large concentrations of power, especially unnecessary government interference including whether to go to church and if so, which church, or synagogue, or stonehenge, etc...

2. Prosperity: ...includes the freedom to use one's own talents and hard work to succeed or fail, and to keep the fruits of one's own labor and accumulate and manage wealth and private property without kalm's or dawg's interference.

Prosperity is NOT the "ability to extract any & all resources to improve & enrich your personal status & wealth within this miniscule lifetime with no regard of the impacts to your neighbors (or offspring)" as you suggest.

I recognize that there are some limits and refuse to take your bait. But I don't buy the progressive solutions (which make things worse) and I think we have barely scratched the surface of human ingenuity regarding sustainable growth and prosperity and the ability to preserve liberty without imposing more government.

If I were young and stupid, appy, I would be more of a pure libertarian because I wouldn't understand the consequences of my actions. But I am old, have seen consequences, and been trained as a systems analyst, so I am not quite so stupid. I realize the every action and inaction has consequences, so I take your point in theory. But if you are implying that kalm's and dawgs solutions offer rational hope and improvement, you can go straight to ****, my provocative friend.

I'm not implying that either, but I'm also not ready to dismiss a conversation or idea as to how to solve these problems just because kalm (& his ideology)or yourself (& your ideology) have decided to provide input. And one man's "interference" is another man's "prudent protection"....

[native]

In the context of our most wonderful Declaration of Independence and Consitution of the United States of America:

1. Liberty: ability to exercise natural rights in the absence large concentrations of power, especially unnecessary government interference including whether to go to church and if so, which church, or synagogue, or stonehenge, etc...

2. Prosperity: ...includes the freedom to use one's own talents and hard work to succeed or fail, and to keep the fruits of one's own labor and accumulate and manage wealth and private property without kalm's or dawg's interference.

Prosperity is NOT the "ability to extract any & all resources to improve & enrich your personal status & wealth within this miniscule lifetime with no regard of the impacts to your neighbors (or offspring)" as you suggest.

I recognize that there are some limits and refuse to take your bait. But I don't buy the progressive solutions (which make things worse) and I think we have barely scratched the surface of human ingenuity regarding sustainable growth and prosperity and the ability to preserve liberty without imposing more government.

If I were young and stupid, appy, I would be more of a pure libertarian because I wouldn't understand the consequences of my actions. But I am old, have seen consequences, and been trained as a systems analyst, so I am not quite so stupid. I realize the every action and inaction has consequences, so I take your point in theory. But if you are implying that kalm's and dawgs solutions offer rational hope and improvement, you can go straight to ****, my provocative friend.

I'm not implying that either, but I'm also not ready to dismiss a conversation or idea as to how to solve these problems just because kalm (& his ideology)or yourself (& your ideology) have decided to provide input. And one man's "interference" is another man's "prudent protection"....

I am not ready to dismiss a conversation, either, but you cannot give kalm and his ilk a pass with any credibility while his hand is someone else's pocket.

[Appaholic]

I'm not implying that either, but I'm also not ready to dismiss a conversation or idea as to how to solve these problems just because kalm (& his ideology)or yourself (& your ideology) have decided to provide input. And one man's "interference" is another man's "prudent protection"....

I am not ready to dismiss a conversation, either, but you cannot give kalm and his ilk a pass with any credibility while his hand is someone else's pocket.

Agree...just like I didn't give the other side a pass with credibility as they trampled over my constitutional freedoms a la Patriot Act....

[native]

I am not ready to dismiss a conversation, either, but you cannot give kalm and his ilk a pass with any credibility while his hand is someone else's pocket.

Agree...just like I didn't give the other side a pass with credibility as they trampled over my constitutional freedoms a la Patriot Act....

Fair enough.

You're a helluva provocateur, appy.

[native]

...by "prosperity", do you actually mean the ability to extract any & all resources to improve & enrich your personal status & wealth within this miniscule lifetime with no regard of the impacts to your neighbors (or offspring)? Just wondering if that was your "perspective".....

''We live in an age of science and of abounding accumulation of material things . . . The things of the spirit come first. Unless we cling to that, all our material prosperity, overwhelming though it may appear, will turn to a barren scepter in our grasp.''

Calvin Coolidge, 1926

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[kalm]

I'm not implying that either, but I'm also not ready to dismiss a conversation or idea as to how to solve these problems just because kalm (& his ideology)or yourself (& your ideology) have decided to provide input. And one man's "interference" is another man's "prudent protection"....

I am not ready to dismiss a conversation, either, but you cannot give kalm and his ilk a pass with any credibility while his hand is someone else's pocket.

I like that one almost as well as "false prophet".

And who's, pray tell, pocket do I have my hand in?

[Chizzang]

Jeezus... you crazy bastards
I leave this thread for ONE DAY and look what you guys do to it..


a royal pissing match


One thing Ursus and I have in common is we enjoy evaluating "information" regardless of the implications or the results - just taking it for what it is... He's more conservative than I am in general - I'm more Liberal then he is in General - Yet we seem to agree on things about 80% of the time... why is this..?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Jeezus... you crazy bastards
I leave this thread for ONE DAY and look what you guys do to it..


a royal pissing match


One thing Ursus and I have in common is we enjoy evaluating "information" regardless of the implications or the results - just taking it for what it is... He's more conservative than I am in general - I'm more Liberal then he is in General - Yet we seem to agree on things about 80% of the time... why is this..?

Dead fuckin' on. I don't care WHO is saying it, if it's valid then I will give it a proper audience. Your summary is spot on Chizzalope.

[kalm]

Jeezus... you crazy bastards
I leave this thread for ONE DAY and look what you guys do to it..


a royal pissing match


One thing Ursus and I have in common is we enjoy evaluating "information" regardless of the implications or the results - just taking it for what it is... He's more conservative than I am in general - I'm more Liberal then he is in General - Yet we seem to agree on things about 80% of the time... why is this..?

Oh yeah? Well I agree with you both 90% of the time. So go figure.

[93henfan]

Chizzalope.

I read that as Chizzpotle the first time.