Islam and the Intolerance Problem

[native]

Anti-religion being a religion is like saying not collecting stamps is a hobby. . .

Religion going away completely, throughout the entire world, would not cause any harm whatsoever. Unless you like raping little boys and getting away with it.

I think there's an element of truth to your statement - but - I don't completely agree
The opposite of something is not Hatred of it... The opposite is complete indifference
Nobody has any problem with Religious indifference

When native says Anti-Religion I believe he is making a specific point about fervent hatred and aggressive malicious attacks

Absolutely corrrect, cleets. Thank you.

[kalm]

According to the conks, if were talking about religion in the US, the country is like 90% Christian. The threat from the anti religious crowd is minor in comparison.

[native]

According to the conks, if were talking about religion in the US, the country is like 90% Christian. The threat from the anti religious crowd is minor in comparison.

Here is what one of your pro-secular web sites has to say, kalm:

"...During the 20th century prior to 1990, the popularity of Christianity had been stable in the U.S. About 87% of adults identified themselves as Christians. The country then experienced a major change. Significant numbers of American adults began to disaffiliate themselves from Christianity and from other organized religions. By 2008, the percentage of Christians had reached 76% and is believed to be continuing its decline...."

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[kalm]

According to the conks, if were talking about religion in the US, the country is like 90% Christian. The threat from the anti religious crowd is minor in comparison.

Here is what one of your pro-secular web sites has to say, kalm:

"...During the 20th century prior to 1990, the popularity of Christianity had been stable in the U.S. About 87% of adults identified themselves as Christians. The country then experienced a major change. Significant numbers of American adults began to disaffiliate themselves from Christianity and from other organized religions. By 2008, the percentage of Christians had reached 76% and is believed to be continuing its decline...."

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And how many have become anti-religious? I'm guessing the Great Recession may have reversed the trend anyway. No atheists in a foxhole.

[native]

Here is what one of your pro-secular web sites has to say, kalm:

"...During the 20th century prior to 1990, the popularity of Christianity had been stable in the U.S. About 87% of adults identified themselves as Christians. The country then experienced a major change. Significant numbers of American adults began to disaffiliate themselves from Christianity and from other organized religions. By 2008, the percentage of Christians had reached 76% and is believed to be continuing its decline...."

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And how many have become anti-religious? I'm guessing the Great Recession may have reversed the trend anyway. No atheists in a foxhole.

Probably a few new atheists in the last decade, recession or no. The figures probably include the uber-liberal congregations.

It is interesting how a minority of rabble-rousing radicals can shape the political agenda of the Dems.

[kalm]

And how many have become anti-religious? I'm guessing the Great Recession may have reversed the trend anyway. No atheists in a foxhole.

Probably a few new atheists in the last decade, recession or no. The figures probably include the uber-liberal congregations.

It is interesting how a minority of rabble-rousing radicals can shape the political agenda of the Dems.

Good one.

[houndawg]

According to the conks, if were talking about religion in the US, the country is like 90% Christian. The threat from the anti religious crowd is minor in comparison.

Here is what one of your pro-secular web sites has to say, kalm:

"...During the 20th century prior to 1990, the popularity of Christianity had been stable in the U.S. About 87% of adults identified themselves as Christians. The country then experienced a major change. Significant numbers of American adults began to disaffiliate themselves from Christianity and from other organized religions. By 2008, the percentage of Christians had reached 76% and is believed to be continuing its decline...."

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Makes sense; as knowledge advances superstition retreats.

[Baldy]

Makes sense; as knowledge advances superstition retreats.

Well, I'm sure Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, and a few others would disagree.

[native]

Here is what one of your pro-secular web sites has to say, kalm:

"...During the 20th century prior to 1990, the popularity of Christianity had been stable in the U.S. About 87% of adults identified themselves as Christians. The country then experienced a major change. Significant numbers of American adults began to disaffiliate themselves from Christianity and from other organized religions. By 2008, the percentage of Christians had reached 76% and is believed to be continuing its decline...."

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Makes sense; as knowledge advances superstition retreats.

A thoughtful "progressive" would be a bit more circumspect about the past few years, dawg.

[houndawg]

Makes sense; as knowledge advances superstition retreats.

Well, I'm sure Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, and a few others would disagree.

Disagree with what, baldy?

[houndawg]

Makes sense; as knowledge advances superstition retreats.

A thoughtful "progressive" would be a bit more circumspect about the past few years, dawg.

Is there a point in there or are you and baldy getting into capn's stash?

[Baldy]

Well, I'm sure Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, and a few others would disagree.

Disagree with what, baldy?

With your ignorant comment.
Knowledge has advanced by leaps and bounds since those 4 men have died. They were by no means evangelical christians, but all were religious men, and any one of their now rotten corpses have infinite more knowledge than you will ever be able to possess.

[houndawg]

Disagree with what, baldy?

With your ignorant comment.
Knowledge has advanced by leaps and bounds since those 4 men have died. They were by no means evangelical christians, but all were religious men, and any one of their now rotten corpses have infinite more knowledge than you will ever be able to possess.

Any one of those rotten corpses would agree with may statement exactly as said.

You fail to distinguish between being religious and religion. The rotting corpses you cite were religious men; they believed in a higher power, just like the vast majority of us today. All these men were wary of religion which is about imposing a definition of that higher power on others, (whether they want it or not and usually the definition requires forking over to the definer).

Hell, Baldy, President Adams signed the Treaty with Tripoli which states explicitly that the United States are in no sense a Christian nation, and he has infinitely more knowledge than I will ever be able to possess,which means the gap between you and him is even wider.


Effing honks are extra feeble-minded today for some reason.

[native]

With your ignorant comment.
Knowledge has advanced by leaps and bounds since those 4 men have died. They were by no means evangelical christians, but all were religious men, and any one of their now rotten corpses have infinite more knowledge than you will ever be able to possess.

Any one of those rotten corpses would agree with may statement exactly as said. ...

Must be the hallucinogenics.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

[native]

Disagree with what, baldy?

With your ignorant comment.
Knowledge has advanced by leaps and bounds since those 4 men have died. They were by no means evangelical christians, but all were religious men, and any one of their now rotten corpses have infinite more knowledge than you will ever be able to possess.

[houndawg]

With your ignorant comment.
Knowledge has advanced by leaps and bounds since those 4 men have died. They were by no means evangelical christians, but all were religious men, and any one of their now rotten corpses have infinite more knowledge than you will ever be able to possess.

It is so cool that you two can both be my bitches and still get along with each other so well. It's like the Big Love TV series.

[Baldy]

With your ignorant comment.
Knowledge has advanced by leaps and bounds since those 4 men have died. They were by no means evangelical christians, but all were religious men, and any one of their now rotten corpses have infinite more knowledge than you will ever be able to possess.

Any one of those rotten corpses would agree with may statement exactly as said.

You fail to distinguish between being religious and religion. The rotting corpses you cite were religious men; they believed in a higher power, just like the vast majority of us today. All these men were wary of religion which is about imposing a definition of that higher power on others, (whether they want it or not and usually the definition requires forking over to the definer).

Hell, Baldy, President Adams signed the Treaty with Tripoli which states explicitly that the United States are in no sense a Christian nation, and he has infinitely more knowledge than I will ever be able to possess,which means the gap between you and him is even wider.


Effing honks are extra feeble-minded today for some reason.

dawg, you are so cute when you're backpedaling.

1. Washington never went into battle unless there was a chaplain designated to his unit.
2. During Jefferson's presidency, he never missed Sunday services that were held in the chamber of the House of Representatives.
3 James Madison almost went into the ministry after college and even went back and got his "masters" in theology.
4. John Adams was BY FAR the most RELIGIOUS founding father.

Even with your feeble attempt to split hairs. You are the one who tried to equate religion to superstition. and there is no way possible to separate that comment and the belief that religious men are superstitious men.

Of course Adams would say that the US wasn't a christian nation. He wasn't a Christian.
He even said (paraphrasing) being a christian is better than having no religion at all.
And he also said this in response to a quote from Thomas Paine, "The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity, let the Blackguard Paine say what he will."

Adams, Franklin, and many more of the founding fathers didn't believe in the divinity of Christ, but that does not take away from the FACT that, as a whole, they were extremely religious (or in your ignorant opinion, superstitious) people.

For a crotchety old man, you hove so much to learn.

[native]

Any one of those rotten corpses would agree with may statement exactly as said.

You fail to distinguish between being religious and religion. The rotting corpses you cite were religious men; they believed in a higher power, just like the vast majority of us today. All these men were wary of religion which is about imposing a definition of that higher power on others, (whether they want it or not and usually the definition requires forking over to the definer).

Hell, Baldy, President Adams signed the Treaty with Tripoli which states explicitly that the United States are in no sense a Christian nation, and he has infinitely more knowledge than I will ever be able to possess,which means the gap between you and him is even wider.


Effing honks are extra feeble-minded today for some reason.

dawg, you are so cute when you're backpedaling.

1. Washington never went into battle unless there was a chaplain designated to his unit.
2. During Jefferson's presidency, he never missed Sunday services that were held in the chamber of the House of Representatives.
3 James Madison almost went into the ministry after college and even went back and got his "masters" in theology.
4. John Adams was BY FAR the most RELIGIOUS founding father.

Even with your feeble attempt to split hairs. You are the one who tried to equate religion to superstition. and there is no way possible to separate that comment and the belief that religious men are superstitious men.

Of course Adams would say that the US wasn't a christian nation. He wasn't a Christian.
He even said (paraphrasing) being a christian is better than having no religion at all.
And he also said this in response to a quote from Thomas Paine, "The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity, let the Blackguard Paine say what he will."

Adams, Franklin, and many more of the founding fathers didn't believe in the divinity of Christ, but that does not take away from the FACT that, as a whole, they were extremely religious (or in your ignorant opinion, superstitious) people.

For a crotchety old man, you hove so much to learn.

[native]

It is so cool that you two can both be my bitches and still get along with each other so well. It's like the Big Love TV series.

[Baldy]

It is so cool that you two can both be my bitches and still get along with each other so well. It's like the Big Love TV series.

Dude, you've been OWNED so many times....

[Cap'n Cat]

Dude, you've been OWNED so many times....

Which is worst, Brother Bald One - being owned so many times like Hounder or being beat like a rented mule in every thread since 2006 like you?


"Poor Baldy. He was a cool guy until ObamaCare."

[houndawg]

Any one of those rotten corpses would agree with may statement exactly as said.

You fail to distinguish between being religious and religion. The rotting corpses you cite were religious men; they believed in a higher power, just like the vast majority of us today. All these men were wary of religion which is about imposing a definition of that higher power on others, (whether they want it or not and usually the definition requires forking over to the definer).

Hell, Baldy, President Adams signed the Treaty with Tripoli which states explicitly that the United States are in no sense a Christian nation, and he has infinitely more knowledge than I will ever be able to possess,which means the gap between you and him is even wider.


Effing honks are extra feeble-minded today for some reason.

dawg, you are so cute when you're backpedaling.

1. Washington never went into battle unless there was a chaplain designated to his unit.
2. During Jefferson's presidency, he never missed Sunday services that were held in the chamber of the House of Representatives.
3 James Madison almost went into the ministry after college and even went back and got his "masters" in theology.
4. John Adams was BY FAR the most RELIGIOUS founding father.

Even with your feeble attempt to split hairs. You are the one who tried to equate religion to superstition. and there is no way possible to separate that comment and the belief that religious men are superstitious men.

Of course Adams would say that the US wasn't a christian nation. He wasn't a Christian.
He even said (paraphrasing) being a christian is better than having no religion at all.
And he also said this in response to a quote from Thomas Paine, "The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity, let the Blackguard Paine say what he will."

Adams, Franklin, and many more of the founding fathers didn't believe in the divinity of Christ, but that does not take away from the FACT that, as a whole, they were extremely religious (or in your ignorant opinion, superstitious) people.

For a crotchety old man, you hove so much to learn.

Balky! Listen!

The Treaty was the unanimous voice of the US Senate

[Baldy]

dawg, you are so cute when you're backpedaling.

1. Washington never went into battle unless there was a chaplain designated to his unit.
2. During Jefferson's presidency, he never missed Sunday services that were held in the chamber of the House of Representatives.
3 James Madison almost went into the ministry after college and even went back and got his "masters" in theology.
4. John Adams was BY FAR the most RELIGIOUS founding father.

Even with your feeble attempt to split hairs. You are the one who tried to equate religion to superstition. and there is no way possible to separate that comment and the belief that religious men are superstitious men.

Of course Adams would say that the US wasn't a christian nation. He wasn't a Christian.
He even said (paraphrasing) being a christian is better than having no religion at all.
And he also said this in response to a quote from Thomas Paine, "The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity, let the Blackguard Paine say what he will."

Adams, Franklin, and many more of the founding fathers didn't believe in the divinity of Christ, but that does not take away from the FACT that, as a whole, they were extremely religious (or in your ignorant opinion, superstitious) people.

For a crotchety old man, you hove so much to learn.

Balky! Listen!

The Treaty was the unanimous voice of the US Senate

You're learning.



I'm glad you have your hearing aids turned up.

[Chizzang]

It's actually pretty simple:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

Question:
how often the Framers used the words "God," or "Creator," "Jesus," in the Constitution = Zero times
But I believe "creator" is used twice in the Declaration if Independence

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


That's all... that's all she wrote everything else is conjecture or fiction

[D1B]

Disagree with what, baldy?

With your ignorant comment.
Knowledge has advanced by leaps and bounds since those 4 men have died. They were by no means evangelical christians, but all were religious men, and any one of their now rotten corpses have infinite more knowledge than you will ever be able to possess.

Quit being a dick....

Baldy, they may have been spiritual, or belived in a creator, but they were anti religion. They saw the danger of religion and understood that man's darkest ages were marked by fervent christianity, specifically catholicism.