WTF is Wrong with America???

[JohnStOnge]

Again, guys, the problem is the People in the current United States population. Any politician who suggests doing what needs to be done has no shot. If someone has the courage to come out and say it's time to chop government to a nub and get rid of the idea that it's there to make sure that each and every one of us is taken care of that someone is going to get killed.

So quit blaming the candidates. If we really wanted people who could take this country in the right direction they'd be there.

[CID1990]

Mm hmm.

I am not Mr. Operative like you, but I certainly see some of them quitting, like Webb. There are also plenty of moderate Republicans out there who are perfectly safe, like Graham (who also has a home with the Reps). They all take flack from the nuts on both sides.

1. Webb didn't leave the party - he just opted not to run for re-election. The only one run-off in the last decade was Lieberman - and that was something altogether different (as it is, he still caucuses with the Dems)

2. If Lindsay Graham is how you are going to define "moderate" then the mindset of the modern GOP is in stark focus... that man is no moderate. the GOP has one kinda moderate left in the Senate: Dick Lugar. That's it.

Well, I won't call you ignorant, I'll just say we have differing opinions in the matter. Webb is quitting, and he has never been a favored poster child for the left. His military cred insures that he has a home with the Dems, but he has had plenty of flack over the last few years, and that is IN SPITE of his vocal opposition to the policies of GWB. He's leaving for reasons other than the ones stated. Since you are Mr. Political Operative you sould understand that.

Looking from the left I am sure you think Graham is a right winger, but then you are a lot like Klean in that respect. Klukkers behind every tree. Graham certainly IS a moderate, and he takes LOTS of flack from the Demint Republicans in SC, primarily for his stance on immigration among other things. Most people who know the guy would put him just slightly right of Hillary Clinton. His nickname in SC is Lindsey Grahamnesty.

It is ironic that I am sitting here arguing about who is moderate and who is not with a guy who would also argue that Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank are not far left.

[AZGrizFan]

1. Webb didn't leave the party - he just opted not to run for re-election. The only one run-off in the last decade was Lieberman - and that was something altogether different (as it is, he still caucuses with the Dems)

2. If Lindsay Graham is how you are going to define "moderate" then the mindset of the modern GOP is in stark focus... that man is no moderate. the GOP has one kinda moderate left in the Senate: Dick Lugar. That's it.

Well, I won't call you ignorant, I'll just say we have differing opinions in the matter. Webb is quitting, and he has never been a favored poster child for the left. His military cred insures that he has a home with the Dems, but he has had plenty of flack over the last few years, and that is IN SPITE of his vocal opposition to the policies of GWB. He's leaving for reasons other than the ones stated. Since you are Mr. Political Operative you sould understand that.

Looking from the left I am sure you think Graham is a right winger, but then you are a lot like Klean in that respect. Klukkers behind every tree. Graham certainly IS a moderate, and he takes LOTS of flack from the Demint Republicans in SC, primarily for his stance on immigration among other things. Most people who know the guy would put him just slightly right of Hillary Clinton. His nickname in SC is Lindsey Grahamnesty.

It is ironic that I am sitting here arguing about who is moderate and who is not with a guy who would also argue that Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank are not far left.

From where TTBF sits, Pelosi and Frank are to the right.

[Cap'n Cat]

Well, I won't call you ignorant, I'll just say we have differing opinions in the matter. Webb is quitting, and he has never been a favored poster child for the left. His military cred insures that he has a home with the Dems, but he has had plenty of flack over the last few years, and that is IN SPITE of his vocal opposition to the policies of GWB. He's leaving for reasons other than the ones stated. Since you are Mr. Political Operative you sould understand that.

Looking from the left I am sure you think Graham is a right winger, but then you are a lot like Klean in that respect. Klukkers behind every tree. Graham certainly IS a moderate, and he takes LOTS of flack from the Demint Republicans in SC, primarily for his stance on immigration among other things. Most people who know the guy would put him just slightly right of Hillary Clinton. His nickname in SC is Lindsey Grahamnesty.

It is ironic that I am sitting here arguing about who is moderate and who is not with a guy who would also argue that Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank are not far left.

From where TTBF sits, Pelosi and Frank are to the right.

Hey, you fuck. Pelosi and Frank are scheduled for Mt. Rushmore in 2015.

[AZGrizFan]

From where TTBF sits, Pelosi and Frank are to the right.

Hey, you fuck. Pelosi and Frank are scheduled for Mt. Rushmore in 2015.

Irrelevant. At the rate Obama is dismanling the country we won't MAKE it to 2015.

[citdog]

Mm hmm.

I am not Mr. Operative like you, but I certainly see some of them quitting, like Webb. There are also plenty of moderate Republicans out there who are perfectly safe, like Graham (who also has a home with the Reps). They all take flack from the nuts on both sides.

1. Webb didn't leave the party - he just opted not to run for re-election. The only one run-off in the last decade was Lieberman - and that was something altogether different (as it is, he still caucuses with the Dems)

2. If Lindsay Graham is how you are going to define "moderate" then the mindset of the modern GOP is in stark focus... that man is no moderate. the GOP has one kinda moderate left in the Senate: Dick Lugar. That's it.

We LIKEY Mr. Webb.......VERY MUCH! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1741976/posts

graham isn't conservative ENOUGH for SC

[Cap'n Cat]

Hey, you fuck. Pelosi and Frank are scheduled for Mt. Rushmore in 2015.

Irrelevant. At the rate Obama is dismanling the country we won't MAKE it to 2015.

Funny, I heard Rush Limbaugh say just that......for the last three years!

[AZGrizFan]

Irrelevant. At the rate Obama is dismanling the country we won't MAKE it to 2015.

Funny, I heard Rush Limbaugh say just that......for the last three years!

You sure do quote Limbaugh a lot.

[Cap'n Cat]

Funny, I heard Rush Limbaugh say just that......for the last three years!

You sure do quote Limbaugh a lot.

Actually, Z, you goons are the ones quoting him. I listen to him for entertainment, you clowns want him to impregnate your wives!

[AZGrizFan]

Actually, Z, you goons are the ones quoting him. I listen to him for entertainment, you clowns want him to impregnate your wives!

AGREEING with some things that come out of his mouth and KNOWING what actually comes out of his mouth are two entirely different things.

[Grizalltheway]

Funny, I heard Rush Limbaugh say just that......for the last three years!

You sure do quote Limbaugh a lot.

You sure do fuck up the quote function a lot.

[AZGrizFan]

You sure do fuck up the quote function a lot.

Really? I challenge you to find 3 instances where I've done that in 20,000+ posts.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

[Cap'n Cat]

Actually, Z, you goons are the ones quoting him. I listen to him for entertainment, you clowns want him to impregnate your wives!

AGREEING with some things that come out of his mouth and KNOWING what actually comes out of his mouth are two entirely different things.

The guy is a genius. I'm predicting a 65-35 split in the 2012 election. He's untouchable, dude.

[Grizalltheway]

You sure do fuck up the quote function a lot.

Really? I challenge you to find 3 instances where I've done that in 20,000+ posts.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

I'm gonna go ahead and retain UNH for that. Give him something useful to do.

[Cap'n Cat]

Don't be a JoltinJoe, Z.

[kalm]

A big part of the problem is the electronic fishbowl that the President lives in and the media treatment which scares away anyone with a brain and/or pride, who does not have a narcissistic personality disorder.

I also feel that when the parties realigned along idealogical lines in the 70's +/-, the drift to the extremes in both parties began in earnest, to the detriment of the country. In general, moderates are disdained in both parties.

Democrats were more moderate to keep their conservative Southern leg of the three legged stool in place as well as the Republicans modified their beliefs to keep the moderate regions of New England and the Midwest from bolting.

The days of Moderate Midwestern and New England Republicans compromising with Southern Conservative Democrats to reach a compromise moderate governing solutions were much preferred to continual rhetoric without compromise to effectively govern that we have endured in the recent past.

Could we please find people more interested in governing for the common good than continually campaigning and only rewarding their followers?

Your point is well taken, but sometimes the mushy middle does not result in the common good.

"common good"? Commie.

[AZGrizFan]

Really? I challenge you to find 3 instances where I've done that in 20,000+ posts.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

I'm gonna go ahead and retain UNH for that. Give him something useful to do.

Fine. He needs gainful employment.

[AZGrizFan]

Don't be a JoltinJoe, Z.

Tell you what. I won't be JJ if you don't be HoDean.

[Gil Dobie]

Hey, you ****. Pelosi and Frank are scheduled for Mt. Rushmore in 2015.

If this country can elect Bush and Obama, there is no doubt in my mind Pelosi and Frank could end up on Rushmore.