What should the USA ban?

[CAA Flagship]

Serious question:
How do you gun enthusiasts view gun ownership? Would you view it as a privilege like a driver's license, or as a right? Is it a right that is treated by the government as a privelege?

I guess what I am interested in knowing is what it takes to purchase a gun. Different requirements for different guns in different States? And certifications, training, test, etc. required, or do you just prove you are not a felon?

[Wedgebuster]

To the original question, the only thing that makes sense here is banning of not having armed security at all public institutions, especially public schools.

That is all,

let the lunacy continue..

[DSUrocks07]

Lott offers a final damning statistic: “With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/ ... john-fund#

[YoUDeeMan]

Dammit SE!

But easy on the bitterness Cluckster. Two years is a long time to be carrying that cross.

Ahh...you're OK, kalm...one of the few with reasoning capabilities and a sense of humor. But you forgot to mention Black Falkin' and a couple other whacked out EWU posters (who was that clown * calling everyone names and saying that he doesn't participate in such antics ). Hey, we all have those types of posters, but the force is strong in EWU land lately. Demand must be high.

BTW, no bitterness towards EWU fans. I blame all of our losses, football or not, on Monte Ross and a small number of fans on GoHens. If I concentrate my fire, I have a higher hit rate.

*Edit: EWRanger

[CAA Flagship]

Serious question:
How do you gun enthusiasts view gun ownership? Would you view it as a privilege like a driver's license, or as a right? Is it a right that is treated by the government as a privelege?

I guess what I am interested in knowing is what it takes to purchase a gun. Different requirements for different guns in different States? And certifications, training, test, etc. required, or do you just prove you are not a felon?

Can someone help me here?
AZ, Wedgie, grizza, 93, etc.?

[Wedgebuster]

Serious question:
How do you gun enthusiasts view gun ownership? Would you view it as a privilege like a driver's license, or as a right? Is it a right that is treated by the government as a privelege?

I guess what I am interested in knowing is what it takes to purchase a gun. Different requirements for different guns in different States? And certifications, training, test, etc. required, or do you just prove you are not a felon?

Can someone help me here?
AZ, Wedgie, grizza, 93, etc.?

Training, certification etc is required in states where a citizen is applying for conceal and carry. Other than that, a simple background check confirming the answers on the yellow form is all that is required in order to purchase firearms, unless you are buying out of your state, which may mean more paperwork and FFL transferring of the firearm, here I am mainly talking handguns, as long guns (rifles and shotguns) can be purchased out of state.

[CAA Flagship]

Can someone help me here?
AZ, Wedgie, grizza, 93, etc.?

Training, certification etc is required in states where a citizen is applying for conceal and carry. Other than that, a simple background check confirming the answers on the yellow form is all that is required in order to purchase firearms, unless you are buying out of your state, which may mean more paperwork and FFL transferring of the firearm, here I am mainly talking handguns, as long guns (rifles and shotguns) can be purchased out of state.

So because no "test" is required, do you think this is more of a right than a privilege? (Afterall, it is stated as a right in the Amendment). What ways can a person be denied lawful ownership of a gun? Felony? What if the felony occurred after the gun was purchased? Is there a record of ownership that can be traced so a forced forfeiture can take place? Seems that if a felony can keep a person from owning a gun, then ownership would be a privilege, no?
I know, I'm all over the place here. I'm just trying to organize facts here for future debates/idea sharing.

[mrklean]

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[bluehenbillk]

Tofu Burgers

Something we can all agree on. Well maybe not 93henfan, but everyone else....

[mrklean]

Tofu Burgers

Something we can all agree on. Well maybe not 93henfan, but everyone else....

[Wedgebuster]

Training, certification etc is required in states where a citizen is applying for conceal and carry. Other than that, a simple background check confirming the answers on the yellow form is all that is required in order to purchase firearms, unless you are buying out of your state, which may mean more paperwork and FFL transferring of the firearm, here I am mainly talking handguns, as long guns (rifles and shotguns) can be purchased out of state.

So because no "test" is required, do you think this is more of a right than a privilege? (Afterall, it is stated as a right in the Amendment). What ways can a person be denied lawful ownership of a gun? Felony? What if the felony occurred after the gun was purchased? Is there a record of ownership that can be traced so a forced forfeiture can take place? Seems that if a felony can keep a person from owning a gun, then ownership would be a privilege, no?
I know, I'm all over the place here. I'm just trying to organize facts here for future debates/idea sharing.

Yup, you are pretty much all over it. It is a privilege for sure, and yes newly convicted felons go through all the de-owning of guns procedures that are in fact in place. The "Yellow" form that is required at point of purchase from gun dealers tracks the original purchase placing the serial number on the firearm with the purchaser. If later that person was convicted of a felony, all weapons sold to him/her must be accounted for either by disclosing who they were sold to, or what-ever. Once convicted of a felony, it is illegal for the felon to own OR POSSESS a firearm.

Thing to remember we are looking at passing LAWS to prevent these mass killings. Ironically not a single shooter has ever legally instigated a mass killing, laws that were already on the books were broken every time.

Hard to believe that by passing laws it will prevent those bent on breaking them from in fact, breaking them.

[Ibanez]

How about this....violent video games. I know plenty of people that say violent video games are to blame. The irony here: my hardcore democrat friend said this while his son played Black Ops on Xbox). I think this is as stupid as those that said Marilyn Manson was to blame for Columbine. I don't think shooter games are to blame. I play shooter games and I have no inkling to murder a group of people. Of course, I don't play these games to get excitement out of killing people. It's the mission and the strategy. Yes, I kill people when storming Omaha Beach, but I have a mission and i'm not getting off on killing Jerry.


Thoughts?

[93henfan]

Tofu Burgers

Something we can all agree on. Well maybe not 93henfan, but everyone else....

When have I ever defended a Tofu Burger?

I'm a scrapple eater, just like you.

I thought we were friends.

Spoiler: show

[bluehenbillk]

Something we can all agree on. Well maybe not 93henfan, but everyone else....

When have I ever defended a Tofu Burger?

I'm a scrapple eater, just like you.

I thought we were friends.

Spoiler: show

haha, just having fun with you my brotha

[GannonFan]

How about this....violent video games. I know plenty of people that say violent video games are to blame. The irony here: my hardcore democrat friend said this while his son played Black Ops on Xbox). I think this is as stupid as those that said Marilyn Manson was to blame for Columbine. I don't think shooter games are to blame. I play shooter games and I have no inkling to murder a group of people. Of course, I don't play these games to get excitement out of killing people. It's the mission and the strategy. Yes, I kill people when storming Omaha Beach, but I have a mission and i'm not getting off on killing Jerry.


Thoughts?

IMO, it's just one more piece of the pie and something to think about. We live in a pretty sick culture when you think about it - it's basically anything goes with some restrictions. But when you think that a young kid at any age and with any social or mental disorder can play one of those first person shooter games for hours on end for years and then have access to guns either by getting them theirselves or stealing from a parent or friend then yeah, you have to start thinking about the wisdom of games like that. But apart from banning them, you have to question the whole ability of a parent to let that happen and to let a socially and mentally challenged kid play games like that and have access to real weaponry in the real world. We don't exactly do a good job of parenting in this country and maybe that's something that should be looked at. But I'm not sure there's a legislative answer to prevent what happened in CT the other day - like I said, we live in a pretty sick culture these days.

[93henfan]

When have I ever defended a Tofu Burger?

I'm a scrapple eater, just like you.

I thought we were friends.

Spoiler: show

haha, just having fun with you my brotha

Now that we have that out of the way, I did have miso soup on Friday.

My lunchmates were two 23-year old female co-workers (both smoking hot), so I didn't feel too gay eating seaweed and tofu.

[Grizalltheway]

haha, just having fun with you my brotha

Now that we have that out of the way, I did have miso soup on Friday.

My lunchmates were two 23-year old female co-workers (both smoking hot), so I didn't feel too gay eating seaweed and tofu.

Did you feel gay when they pegged you in the bathroom afterward?

[CAA Flagship]

Now that we have that out of the way, I did have miso soup on Friday.

My lunchmates were two 23-year old female co-workers (both smoking hot), so I didn't feel too gay eating seaweed and tofu.

Just a week after Pearl Harbor Day???????

[Ibanez]

How about this....violent video games. I know plenty of people that say violent video games are to blame. The irony here: my hardcore democrat friend said this while his son played Black Ops on Xbox). I think this is as stupid as those that said Marilyn Manson was to blame for Columbine. I don't think shooter games are to blame. I play shooter games and I have no inkling to murder a group of people. Of course, I don't play these games to get excitement out of killing people. It's the mission and the strategy. Yes, I kill people when storming Omaha Beach, but I have a mission and i'm not getting off on killing Jerry.


Thoughts?

IMO, it's just one more piece of the pie and something to think about. We live in a pretty sick culture when you think about it - it's basically anything goes with some restrictions. But when you think that a young kid at any age and with any social or mental disorder can play one of those first person shooter games for hours on end for years and then have access to guns either by getting them theirselves or stealing from a parent or friend then yeah, you have to start thinking about the wisdom of games like that. But apart from banning them, you have to question the whole ability of a parent to let that happen and to let a socially and mentally challenged kid play games like that and have access to real weaponry in the real world. We don't exactly do a good job of parenting in this country and maybe that's something that should be looked at. But I'm not sure there's a legislative answer to prevent what happened in CT the other day - like I said, we live in a pretty sick culture these days.

Agreed. This could've been averted had Nancy chosen to not have weapons in a home with a violent, mentally unstable person. We have more punks than parents these days.

[93henfan]

IMO, it's just one more piece of the pie and something to think about. We live in a pretty sick culture when you think about it - it's basically anything goes with some restrictions. But when you think that a young kid at any age and with any social or mental disorder can play one of those first person shooter games for hours on end for years and then have access to guns either by getting them theirselves or stealing from a parent or friend then yeah, you have to start thinking about the wisdom of games like that. But apart from banning them, you have to question the whole ability of a parent to let that happen and to let a socially and mentally challenged kid play games like that and have access to real weaponry in the real world. We don't exactly do a good job of parenting in this country and maybe that's something that should be looked at. But I'm not sure there's a legislative answer to prevent what happened in CT the other day - like I said, we live in a pretty sick culture these days.

Agreed. This could've been averted had Nancy chosen to not have weapons in a home with a violent, mentally unstable person. We have more punks than parents these days.

Same deal with Columbine. Ya know, I'm not sure what all the warning signs might be, bt when I notice my kids making pipe bombs, IEDs from propane tanks, and stockpiling ammo, I think I might step in and do a little parenting. I always thought the Klebold and Harris parents got off way too easy.

[93henfan]

Now that we have that out of the way, I did have miso soup on Friday.

My lunchmates were two 23-year old female co-workers (both smoking hot), so I didn't feel too gay eating seaweed and tofu.

Did you feel gay when they pegged you in the bathroom afterward?

I wish I had an after-miso story, but I got nothin'. We talked about things, I pretended to listen, etc. Sorry for the buzzkill.

[Grizalltheway]

Did you feel gay when they pegged you in the bathroom afterward?

I wish I had an after-miso story, but I got nothin'. We talked about things, I pretended to listen, etc. Sorry for the buzzkill.

Next time just make one up.

[Ibanez]

Did you feel gay when they pegged you in the bathroom afterward?

I paid them and went on my way

Accuracy.

[BDKJMU]

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[BDKJMU]

GD double post.