had a guy tell me that the Tea Party is America's...

[Ibanez]

Deny it all you want, but these Tea Party cry babies don't give a **** about America. They are un-compromising. They are anti-women, anti-progress, anti-science, anti- anything and anyone that doesn't agree with them. Hell, they are anti-Republicans who have the AUDACITY to be statesmen and work with Democrats.

You may not be a left wing lib, but you are trying to sound like one on this message board with your Dback like spastic rant.

They don't care anymore than the GOP or Democratic Party. If sounding like an unbiased, rational man that prefers statesmen over our current "leaders" then I guess I'm doing well.

[Ibanez]

I'm not liberal, but thanks for stereotyping. It's ok to protest. However, the fact is that these tea parties, at least early on, were more about a black man than anything else. When the official tea Party in Charleston had speakers saying racially charged comments about Obama and nothing about the runaway spending of Bush, I knew what the deal was. When these tea partiers started bitching about taxes within weeks of Obamas term, it was obvious they were butt hurt over losing.

Face it, the tea party is an extremist org that has had it's hey day and is losing ground. More and more conservatives are ignoring them and that hack Grover.

I didn't say you were a liberal, but you are parroting the same line the libs are when it comes to the Tea Party.

The Tea Party in Charleston is but one chapter. Doesn't mean its like the hundreds of other ones nationwide. And a couple of wing nuts who attended their rallies that the media likes to focus on doesn't mean they're representative of the whole group.

You implied it. And I know they don't represent the whole. However, I'm sure I can finds my tea party loyalists and leaders that find the problem to be more Obama than policies of fiscal spending.

[AZGrizFan]

That is really fucking lame, Mark.

Deny it all you want, but these Tea Party cry babies don't give a shit about America. They are un-compromising. They are anti-women, anti-progress, anti-science, anti- anything and anyone that doesn't agree with them. Hell, they are anti-Republicans who have the AUDACITY to be statesmen and work with Democrats.

Jesus H. Christ. Paint with a broad brush much, Mark?

[ASUMountaineer]

The first protests began less than a month after Obama was sworn in. If all the spending was really an issue, why not start in 2004, 2006, etc..?

And don't say Ron Pauls Tea Party of 07 counts.

Were there trillion dollar deficits in 04', 06'?
Was TARP and the bailouts passed in 04', 06'?

TARP & the bailouts- the spending explosion, didn't start till the fall of 08'. Within a few months, by early 09', you saw the 1st protests. Movements like this don't start at the snap of a finger.

I see. So, the Tea Party is ok with unending war spending, an unfunded Rx drug plan, and some bailouts. However, they draw the line at Obama's spending? Not buying the "fiscal responsibility" line as legit. Look, the entire Tea Party is not made up of racists, but it does have a large contingent of extremists. Not to mention, the lunatics that frequent the protests.

The Tea Party doesn't have a consistent message, and that is their biggest problem. They should have been outraged the day the PATRIOT Act passed, and the day the Department of Homeland Security was created, and the day the Rx drug benefit was passed.

Where was the outrage when GWB was in office spending and growing government like a big-government liberal? FDR would have been proud of GWB.

[kalm]

Were there trillion dollar deficits in 04', 06'?
Was TARP and the bailouts passed in 04', 06'?

TARP & the bailouts- the spending explosion, didn't start till the fall of 08'. Within a few months, by early 09', you saw the 1st protests. Movements like this don't start at the snap of a finger.

I see. So, the Tea Party is ok with unending war spending, an unfunded Rx drug plan, and some bailouts. However, they draw the line at Obama's spending? Not buying the "fiscal responsibility" line as legit. Look, the entire Tea Party is not made up of racists, but it does have a large contingent of extremists. Not to mention, the lunatics that frequent the protests.

The Tea Party doesn't have a consistent message, and that is their biggest problem. They should have been outraged the day the PATRIOT Act passed, and the day the Department of Homeland Security was created, and the day the Rx drug benefit was passed.

Where was the outrage when GWB was in office spending and growing government like a big-government liberal? FDR would have been proud of GWB.

Good points. What's their stance on Obama's drone policy?

There are some legit Tea Party folks who are sincere and who's ideas are pure, but in general and from its inception it was astroturf. Again, check out the funding and look who's the chair person of their caucus.

[houndawg]

Were there trillion dollar deficits in 04', 06'?
Was TARP and the bailouts passed in 04', 06'?

TARP & the bailouts- the spending explosion, didn't start till the fall of 08'. Within a few months, by early 09', you saw the 1st protests. Movements like this don't start at the snap of a finger.

I see. So, the Tea Party is ok with unending war spending, an unfunded Rx drug plan, and some bailouts. However, they draw the line at Obama's spending? Not buying the "fiscal responsibility" line as legit. Look, the entire Tea Party is not made up of racists, but it does have a large contingent of extremists. Not to mention, the lunatics that frequent the protests.

The Tea Party doesn't have a consistent message, and that is their biggest problem. They should have been outraged the day the PATRIOT Act passed, and the day the Department of Homeland Security was created, and the day the Rx drug benefit was passed.

Where was the outrage when GWB was in office spending and growing government like a big-government liberal? FDR would have been proud of GWB.

And Eisenhower was to the left of Obama.

[ASUMountaineer]

I see. So, the Tea Party is ok with unending war spending, an unfunded Rx drug plan, and some bailouts. However, they draw the line at Obama's spending? Not buying the "fiscal responsibility" line as legit. Look, the entire Tea Party is not made up of racists, but it does have a large contingent of extremists. Not to mention, the lunatics that frequent the protests.

The Tea Party doesn't have a consistent message, and that is their biggest problem. They should have been outraged the day the PATRIOT Act passed, and the day the Department of Homeland Security was created, and the day the Rx drug benefit was passed.

Where was the outrage when GWB was in office spending and growing government like a big-government liberal? FDR would have been proud of GWB.

Good points. What's their stance on Obama's drone policy?

There are some legit Tea Party folks who are sincere and who's ideas are pure, but in general and from its inception it was astroturf. Again, check out the funding and look who's the chair person of their caucus.

Absolutely. If they were true conservatives, they would abhor Obama's drone policy and the Koch Brothers.

[kalm]

Good points. What's their stance on Obama's drone policy?

There are some legit Tea Party folks who are sincere and who's ideas are pure, but in general and from its inception it was astroturf. Again, check out the funding and look who's the chair person of their caucus.

Absolutely. If they were true conservatives, they would abhor Obama's drone policy and the Koch Brothers.

[Baldy]

Good points. What's their stance on Obama's drone policy?

There are some legit Tea Party folks who are sincere and who's ideas are pure, but in general and from its inception it was astroturf. Again, check out the funding and look who's the chair person of their caucus.

Absolutely. If they were true conservatives, they would abhor Obama's drone policy and the Koch Brothers.

As soon as OWS denounces drones and George Soros.

[Ibanez]

Absolutely. If they were true conservatives, they would abhor Obama's drone policy and the Koch Brothers.

As soon as OWS denounces drones and George Soros.

OWS is on par with the Tea Party.

[Ibanez]

Were there trillion dollar deficits in 04', 06'?
Was TARP and the bailouts passed in 04', 06'?

TARP & the bailouts- the spending explosion, didn't start till the fall of 08'. Within a few months, by early 09', you saw the 1st protests. Movements like this don't start at the snap of a finger.

I see. So, the Tea Party is ok with unending war spending, an unfunded Rx drug plan, and some bailouts. However, they draw the line at Obama's spending? Not buying the "fiscal responsibility" line as legit. Look, the entire Tea Party is not made up of racists, but it does have a large contingent of extremists. Not to mention, the lunatics that frequent the protests.

The Tea Party doesn't have a consistent message, and that is their biggest problem. They should have been outraged the day the PATRIOT Act passed, and the day the Department of Homeland Security was created, and the day the Rx drug benefit was passed.

Where was the outrage when GWB was in office spending and growing government like a big-government liberal? FDR would have been proud of GWB.

I've asked those questions and I keep getting told, " they were mad, but these things don't happen overnight. "

[Ibanez]

Deny it all you want, but these Tea Party cry babies don't give a shit about America. They are un-compromising. They are anti-women, anti-progress, anti-science, anti- anything and anyone that doesn't agree with them. Hell, they are anti-Republicans who have the AUDACITY to be statesmen and work with Democrats.

Jesus H. Christ. Paint with a broad brush much, Mark?

I can't help if they don't like gays, a womans right to choose, deny global warming and attack and unseat Republicans that had the nerve to work with Democrats.

[ASUMountaineer]

Absolutely. If they were true conservatives, they would abhor Obama's drone policy and the Koch Brothers.

As soon as OWS denounces drones and George Soros.

Are we talking about OWS?

I do agree that the Tea Party and OWS are extremely comparable.

[∞∞∞]

The Tea Party is still around?

[Ibanez]

The Tea Party is still around?

I think they've been wanning in the recent years. A few people I know who were hardcore Tea Party members have quit and become just as jaded as I.

It's a far cry from the bravado of the Tea Party after its big gains in the 2010 midterm elections. But in this year's election, the Tea Party lost about one-sixth of its members in Congress. Now comes the latest to depart — South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint, who announced his resignation Thursday. He's going to the top job at the conservative Heritage Foundation.
A new survey in South Carolina — an early Tea Party hotbed — shows a decline in public support as well. Winthrop University professor Scott Huffmon says two years ago, more than 30 percent of South Carolina Republicans and voters leaning Republican said they were Tea Party members. Today, he says, just under 10 percent of those voters describe themselves as members of the Tea Party.

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[mrklean]

The Tea Party is still around?

Tea Party. I remember one had a sign stating, "The next time I will bring my Gun" Waht a bunch of Blow-Tards

[BDKJMU]

Were there trillion dollar deficits in 04', 06'?
Was TARP and the bailouts passed in 04', 06'?

TARP & the bailouts- the spending explosion, didn't start till the fall of 08'. Within a few months, by early 09', you saw the 1st protests. Movements like this don't start at the snap of a finger.

I see. So, the Tea Party is ok with unending war spending, an unfunded Rx drug plan, and some bailouts. However, they draw the line at Obama's spending? Not buying the "fiscal responsibility" line as legit. Look, the entire Tea Party is not made up of racists, but it does have a large contingent of extremists. Not to mention, the lunatics that frequent the protests.

The Tea Party doesn't have a consistent message, and that is their biggest problem. They should have been outraged the day the PATRIOT Act passed, and the day the Department of Homeland Security was created, and the day the Rx drug benefit was passed.

Where was the outrage when GWB was in office spending and growing government like a big-government liberal? FDR would have been proud of GWB.

Again, GWB's fiscal irresponsibility isn't close to the level of BHO's.

[Grizalltheway]

I see. So, the Tea Party is ok with unending war spending, an unfunded Rx drug plan, and some bailouts. However, they draw the line at Obama's spending? Not buying the "fiscal responsibility" line as legit. Look, the entire Tea Party is not made up of racists, but it does have a large contingent of extremists. Not to mention, the lunatics that frequent the protests.

The Tea Party doesn't have a consistent message, and that is their biggest problem. They should have been outraged the day the PATRIOT Act passed, and the day the Department of Homeland Security was created, and the day the Rx drug benefit was passed.

Where was the outrage when GWB was in office spending and growing government like a big-government liberal? FDR would have been proud of GWB.

Again, GWB's fiscal irresponsibility isn't close to the level of BHO's.

Does that mean it wasn't irresponsible, or that true conservatives shouldn't have been up in arms over it?

[BDKJMU]

Jesus H. Christ. Paint with a broad brush much, Mark?

I can't help if they don't like gays, a womans right to choose, deny global warming and attack and unseat Republicans that had the nerve to work with Democrats.

Keep parroting the likes of those on the left:
-Those who simply believe marriage should be between a man and a woman hate gays.
-If you dare to question the validity of man made global warning you are an extremeist.
-If for religious reasons you are against abortion or if you point out there is no such right spelled out in the constitution and should be left up to the states you are somehow anti woman..
-If you have the nerve to challenge RHINO, establishment Republicans you are an extremeist.
-If you protest Obama its not just because of his policies & because he's a democrat but its because he's black.

[Ibanez]

I can't help if they don't like gays, a womans right to choose, deny global warming and attack and unseat Republicans that had the nerve to work with Democrats.

Keep parroting the likes of those on the left:
-Those who simply believe marriage should be between a man and a woman hate gays.
-If you dare to question the validity of man made global warning you are an extremeist.
-If for religious reasons you are against abortion or if you point out there is no such right spelled out in the constitution and should be left up to the states you are somehow anti woman..
-If you have the nerve to challenge RHINO, establishment Republicans you are an extremeist.
-If you protest Obama its not just because of his policies & because he's a democrat but its because he's black.

You're in denial.

[BDKJMU]

Keep parroting the likes of those on the left:
-Those who simply believe marriage should be between a man and a woman hate gays.
-If you dare to question the validity of man made global warning you are an extremeist.
-If for religious reasons you are against abortion or if you point out there is no such right spelled out in the constitution and should be left up to the states you are somehow anti woman..
-If you have the nerve to challenge RHINO, establishment Republicans you are an extremeist.
-If you protest Obama its not just because of his policies & because he's a democrat but its because he's black.

You're in denial.

Ok.

[Ibanez]

You're in denial.

Ok.

It's good to accept it. On to stage 3...

[kalm]

You're in denial.

Ok.

1) I don't hate gays my bible tells me they just don't deserve the same rights as everyone else.

2) There are many sane people who question AGW who aren't labeled extremist. The extremism label comes more from the sources on the right and an unwillingness to accept it may be correct.

3) It's RINO...and they are the ones accusing further right Republicans of being extremists, not the left.

4) Similar to 2, many rational people question and criticize Obama all the time. I've never been labeled a racist in this regard.

[ASUMountaineer]

I see. So, the Tea Party is ok with unending war spending, an unfunded Rx drug plan, and some bailouts. However, they draw the line at Obama's spending? Not buying the "fiscal responsibility" line as legit. Look, the entire Tea Party is not made up of racists, but it does have a large contingent of extremists. Not to mention, the lunatics that frequent the protests.

The Tea Party doesn't have a consistent message, and that is their biggest problem. They should have been outraged the day the PATRIOT Act passed, and the day the Department of Homeland Security was created, and the day the Rx drug benefit was passed.

Where was the outrage when GWB was in office spending and growing government like a big-government liberal? FDR would have been proud of GWB.

Again, GWB's fiscal irresponsibility isn't close to the level of BHO's.

But, he was still fiscally irresponsible. Obama's spending has been worse, but why are they ok with some runaway spending, but not all runaway spending? You're making excuses for them.

[kalm]

Again, GWB's fiscal irresponsibility isn't close to the level of BHO's.

But, he was still fiscally irresponsible. Obama's spending has been worse, but why are they ok with some runaway spending, but not all runaway spending? You're making excuses for them.

Especially considering that Bush's occurred without the deepest recession in 80 years.