Can we stop the "It's not Islam" crap?

[kalm]

Phrases like this aren't helpful. Back in time to when? I'd say that if anything, cracking down on anti-government protests and restricting expression and assembly sounds like a throwback to the Turkish Republic before World War II and a call out of Kemal Ataturk's own playbook. So before we set Ataturk on a pedestal as some secular, modernizing, liberty-loving hero, it's important to remember that was also the head of a one-party state (as was the mode of Germany, the USSR, and Italy in the 1930s), a ruthless centralizer, and an authoritarian who criminalized the wearing of certain types of clothing. Secularism and freedom don't necessarily go hand in hand.

BTW, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I noticed that in some of your posts you talk about "Muslin" this and that. Muslin is a fabric.

Ataturk may have been a little heavy handed, but that was because he was dealing with a bunch of deposed cut throats, shifting the political and financial power base, and forcing modernization and change upon a largely ignorant population. He banned the fez because it was a symbol of the past. That isn't the same as forcing women to hide themselves entirely. Ataturk gave women full political rights...something the Muslim world, especially in the Middle Ages...I mean Middle East...still resists today. Women's rights? Woman gets raped...kill her for tempting the man.

Seriously, WTF is it with Muslins...they lose their minds when someone mentions that their violent, rapist, leader, Mohammed, was a power hungry con artist of the highest order. You can try to blather away about context all you want, but right now, Islam, as it is practiced by a large number of its followers, is a problem. Christians, the vast majority of them, at least in the past century or so, seem to have seen the light and given up violence in the name of their Lord...perhaps for Lent. You don't see the Pope issuing fatwas because some cartoonist drew an unflattering picture of Christ. But Muslins? Their men must have some serious self-image problems because they can be swayed too easily to forgo all reason and resort to nothing more than violent, knuckle dragging, mouth breathing, linear thinking.

What percentage of Muslins feel this way?

[eagleskins]

Phrases like this aren't helpful. Back in time to when? I'd say that if anything, cracking down on anti-government protests and restricting expression and assembly sounds like a throwback to the Turkish Republic before World War II and a call out of Kemal Ataturk's own playbook. So before we set Ataturk on a pedestal as some secular, modernizing, liberty-loving hero, it's important to remember that was also the head of a one-party state (as was the mode of Germany, the USSR, and Italy in the 1930s), a ruthless centralizer, and an authoritarian who criminalized the wearing of certain types of clothing. Secularism and freedom don't necessarily go hand in hand.

BTW, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I noticed that in some of your posts you talk about "Muslin" this and that. Muslin is a fabric.

Ataturk may have been a little heavy handed, but that was because he was dealing with a bunch of deposed cut throats, shifting the political and financial power base, and forcing modernization and change upon a largely ignorant population. He banned the fez because it was a symbol of the past. That isn't the same as forcing women to hide themselves entirely. Ataturk gave women full political rights...something the Muslim world, especially in the Middle Ages...I mean Middle East...still resists today. Women's rights? Woman gets raped...kill her for tempting the man.

Seriously, WTF is it with Muslins...they lose their minds when someone mentions that their violent, rapist, leader, Mohammed, was a power hungry con artist of the highest order. You can try to blather away about context all you want, but right now, Islam, as it is practiced by a large number of its followers, is a problem. Christians, the vast majority of them, at least in the past century or so, seem to have seen the light and given up violence in the name of their Lord...perhaps for Lent. You don't see the Pope issuing fatwas because some cartoonist drew an unflattering picture of Christ. But Muslins? Their men must have some serious self-image problems because they can be swayed too easily to forgo all reason and resort to nothing more than violent, knuckle dragging, mouth breathing, linear thinking.

Mohammed was a fugazi, just as Jesus was. Just like people getting pissed when adults spoil the Santa Claus myth in front of children. Until all religions accept that they pray to made up idols, nothing will change.

[YoUDeeMan]

What percentage of Muslins feel this way?

What percentage are you looking for?

The latest, most accurate, scientific survey indicates 93.07% of Muslins feel this way. Enough of a percentage so that several Muslin run countries still prosecute and persecute women for doing such outrageous things as showing their faces in public, walking with a man, being raped, and trying to educate themselves.

Religion of peace.

Of course, the other 6.93% don't feel that way, but they don't feel strongly enough about it to have made a serious enough efforts to change their governments or the thinking of their Neanderthal-like brothers.

Amazingly enough, those people in power are perfectly happy to keep their Muslin masses ignorant and divided. To that degree, Islamist governments are no different than any other. It is just that the devil is in the details.

[kalm]

What percentage of Muslins feel this way?

What percentage are you looking for?

The latest, most accurate, scientific survey indicates 93.07% of Muslins feel this way. Enough of a percentage so that several Muslin run countries still prosecute and persecute women for doing such outrageous things as showing their faces in public, walking with a man, being raped, and trying to educate themselves.

Religion of peace.

Of course, the other 6.93% don't feel that way, but they don't feel strongly enough about it to have made a serious enough efforts to change their governments or the thinking of their Neanderthal-like brothers.

Amazingly enough, those people in power are perfectly happy to keep their Muslin masses ignorant and divided. To that degree, Islamist governments are no different than any other. It is just that the devil is in the details.

I think you're exaggerating and painting with a broad brush. Cat Stephens and my muslin neighbor dont feel this way.

[YoUDeeMan]

I think you're exaggerating and painting with a broad brush. Cat Stephens and my muslin neighbor dont feel this way.

Cat Stephens [sic] lost his mind. Seriously. Ever see his comments about the fatwa regarding Rushdie? At first he said he was misquoted...later he said he was kidding. Just another nut quoting the Koran.

As far as your neighbor goes...he might be one of the 6.93%. Of course, if you repeatedly insult Mohammed in front of him, you'll find out where his allegiances lay...lie...layla...whatever. Remember, everyone thought Dzhokhar was a nice boy and good neighbor.