Voter ID laws and access to valid identification

[Ivytalk]

No, they didn't.

Post some facts and prove them wrong. Don't just say "No they didn't".


You're better than that.

No, he's not!

[ASUG8]

Oh. OK. I must have read the overwhelming evidence incorrectly. That happens sometimes.

It isn't your fault. You're a white male ergo you're wrong about everything.

Also you're a slave-owning war mongerer(sp?).

It's mongererererer, you dolt.

[Ibanez]

It isn't your fault. You're a white male ergo you're wrong about everything.

Also you're a slave-owning war mongerer(sp?).

It's mongererererer, you dolt.

I should've gone to a directional school, right Kalmy?

[93henfan]

No, they didn't.

I don't deny that I rarely back down, but I almost never play the DB1 game of declaring victory, but you and Jelly got your asses handed to you in this one Jon. Just walk away.

When I side with 89 and JSO over anyone, it's because they lost really badly.

[Chizzang]

Can I admit defeat and slink off
or do I have stay here and be punished too..?

[CAA Flagship]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsVJs5_njIw[/youtube]


I gotta Bud Light for ya, Jon.

[CAA Flagship]

Can I admit defeat and slink off
or do I have stay here and be punished too..?

Please be more specific.

[Baldy]

Post some facts and prove them wrong. Don't just say "No they didn't".


You're better than that.

No, he's not!

Textbook Ivytalk right there.

[89Hen]

Can I admit defeat and slink off

i thought you had.

[CID1990]

Can I admit defeat and slink off
or do I have stay here and be punished too..?

http://youtu.be/DtcSYPjJbgg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[kalm]

It's mongererererer, you dolt.

I should've gone to a directional school, right Kalmy?

Your state is a directional school!

[89Hen]

I should've gone to a directional school, right Kalmy?

Your state is a directional school!

[Ibanez]

I should've gone to a directional school, right Kalmy?

Your state is a directional school!

Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!

[JohnStOnge]

That map doesn't show "concentrations" at all. It doesn't say anything all about population densities. It just shows percent Black population in given areas defined by the census. You could have an area that's got 10 people and if 9 of them are Black that's 90% Black and shows up as dark orange on that map. Ok I know there's nothing that extreme but that's the principle I'm talking about.

Blacks tend to be concentrated in larger cities. The larger cities in those States have higher percent Black populations than the States in general. And if you look at the larger cities they've got plenty of drivers license offices that are open a lot. Take Georgia for example. Look at Atlanta. The overall percent Black population in Georgia is 31% but the percent Black population of heavily populated Atlanta is 54%. Look at the drivers license offices around Atlanta.

This is ridiculous. The lengths Liberals will go to in terms of lying with statistics are infinite. I know conservatives do it too but I really do think Liberals are worse about it. They are absolutely shameless and that map is an example of that problem. And no I'm not talking about Sky. I think Sky honestly thought he was showing something. I'm talking about people who prepared that map he posted in order to convince people like him that something sinister is going on.

[JohnStOnge]

BTW I looked at this some more today and I didn't capture all the Alabama counties that closed offices the first time. 30 counties closed offices. The combined population of those 30 counties is 23 percent Black and 71 percent non-Hispanic White. The overall population of Alabama is 27 percent Black and 66 percent non-Hispanic White. You can figure out what that means.

The map included in the article linked at the top of the thread shows 29 counties that now do not have drivers license offices. That's a little different. There are counties on that list that aren't on the list of counties closing offices because they already didn't have drivers license offices. Like the county at the northwest corner of Alabama, Lauderdale. It's on the map as not having an office but it's not on the list of counties that are closing drivers license officers. It also has a population of 93,096 that is only 10 percent Black while being 85 percent non-Hispanic White.

The combined population of the Alabama counties that now won't have drivers license offices is 26 percent Black and 69 percent non-Hispanic White. You can figure out what that means too.

And what you'll figure out is that the idea that there is some kind of Black and/or minority voter suppression effort associated with Alabama's decisions about closing drivers license offices and/or the distribution of Alabama counties that don't have drivers license offices is total crap.

But that's what Liberals do. All the time.

[93henfan]

BTW I looked at this some more today ...

Yep. You sure did, buddy.

[89Hen]

JSO, we already ripped the tits off this thread long ago, no need to pile on.

[CID1990]

JSO, we already ripped the tits off this thread long ago, no need to pile on.

Actually I think he's trying to coax a chart or graph out of Jelly

(who, BTW, has not come back to defend this turd of a thread)

[AZGrizFan]

JSO, we already ripped the tits off this thread long ago, no need to pile on.

Actually I think he's trying to coax a chart or graph out of Jelly

(who, BTW, has not come back to defend this turd of a thread)

I noticed that last night....he has again skulked off into the night after having his ass handed to him repeatedly...

[Skjellyfetti]

Yeah, no problem at all here.

Conk strategy:

1. We should require photo ID at the polls. Photo IDs are super easy to get, so it's not a problem
1a. On a totally unrelated note, we no longer have the money to make photo IDs as accessible.

2. We don't need to regulate corporations, because people can just file civil lawsuits to address malfeasance.
2a. On a totally unrelated note, we need to pass tort reform which will make it more difficult for people to file civil lawsuits against corporations.

3. We don't need to worry about discrimination within the private sector because the government already provides enough public services to all citizens.
3a. On a totally unrelated note, we need to privatize most public government services and let religious charities fill in the gap.







If you want to require photo IDs to vote in order to lessen all the rampant (lol) in-person voter fraud, great. Go ahead. But, it should then be the state's obligation to provide these IDs to all eligible citizens.

[clenz]

Yeah, no problem at all here.

Conk strategy:

1. We should require photo ID at the polls. Photo IDs are super easy to get, so it's not a problem
1a. On a totally unrelated note, we no longer have the money to make photo IDs as accessible.

2. We don't need to regulate corporations, because people can just file civil lawsuits to address malfeasance.
2a. On a totally unrelated note, we need to pass tort reform which will make it more difficult for people to file civil lawsuits against corporations.

3. We don't need to worry about discrimination within the private sector because the government already provides enough public services to all citizens.
3a. On a totally unrelated note, we need to privatize most public government services and let religious charities fill in the gap.







If you want to require photo IDs to vote in order to lessen all the rampant (lol) in-person voter fraud, great. Go ahead. But, it should then be the state's obligation to provide these IDs to all eligible citizens.

So Alabama is not providing them with IDs?

[Skjellyfetti]

So Alabama is not providing them with IDs?

It sure as hell isn't easy.

The cheapest non-driver I.D. costs $40.

The mythical "free voter ID" is pretty fucking difficult to get. By their own admission, they've only given out ~1,000. Oh, and if you have had another form of legitimate ID issued to you - it is a FELONY to request a free voter ID.

First you need to present the application it at a) your board of registrars b) the Secretary of States office or c) supposed mobile locations. In person. Which doesn't sound like a problem until you realize the registrars are often found in PO boxes.. Having to get the ID by going into the capital building doesn't pass the laugh test as reasonable for the average person. The supposed mobile locations show up occasionally for a few hours at a time. If you live in Escambia County, I hope you showed up between 10 AM and 12 PM on the 7th! http://www.alabamavoterid.com/mobilelocations.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This makes getting an ID absurdly difficult if you can't easily travel across half the state. But the kicker is that you can't get the voter ID if you have an existing ID. Which means if your drivers license is about to expire you can't plan ahead by going to one of those fancy mobile locations. The only reason for that last bit is to prevent people from getting the ID.

[Skjellyfetti]

*double post*

[AZGrizFan]

Yeah, no problem at all here.

Conk strategy:

1. We should require photo ID at the polls. Photo IDs are super easy to get, so it's not a problem
1a. On a totally unrelated note, we no longer have the money to make photo IDs as accessible.

2. We don't need to regulate corporations, because people can just file civil lawsuits to address malfeasance.
2a. On a totally unrelated note, we need to pass tort reform which will make it more difficult for people to file civil lawsuits against corporations.

3. We don't need to worry about discrimination within the private sector because the government already provides enough public services to all citizens.
3a. On a totally unrelated note, we need to privatize most public government services and let religious charities fill in the gap.







If you want to require photo IDs to vote in order to lessen all the rampant (lol) in-person voter fraud, great. Go ahead. But, it should then be the state's obligation to provide these IDs to all eligible citizens.

Jesus. One MASSIVE red herring of a post completely ignoring the reams of evidence blasting your argument out of the water....well done.

[89Hen]

Where did you get that it cost $40?

Beginning with the June 3, 2014 primary election, Act 2011-673 requires an Alabama voter to have a specific type of photo identification at the polls in order to vote. If a voter does not have one of the approved forms of photo ID as stated in the law, then he or she may receive a free Alabama photo voter ID from various locations.

http://www.alabamavoterid.com/getFreePhotoVoterID.aspx

You may obtain a free Alabama photo voter ID card at one of the following locations:

County Board of Registrars Office Locations

Autauga
218 N. Court Street
Prattville, Alabama 36067-3041 (334) 358-6740

Baldwin
119 West 2nd St
Bay Minette, Alabama 36507 (251) 937-0229

Barbour
113 Court Street
Clayton, Alabama 36016 (334) 775-8579
(334) 687-1585
Barbour
303 E Broad Street, Room 108
Eufaula, Alabama 36027 (334) 687-1585

Bibb
8 Court Square W
Centreville, Alabama 35042 (205) 926-3102

Blount
220 Second Ave E Rm B-5
Oneonta, Alabama 35121 (205) 625-4182

Bullock
217 Prairie St N, Room 101
Union Springs, Alabama 36089-1659 (334) 738-5372

Butler
700 Court Sq Rm 8
Greenville, Alabama 36037-2308 (334) 382-5685

Calhoun
1702 Noble St, Ste 113
Anniston, Alabama 36201-3889 (256) 241-2930
(256) 237-3681
Chambers
18 Alabama Ave E Rm 101
LaFayette, Alabama 36862 (334) 864-4313

Chambers
610 S Gilmer Ave
Lanett, Alabama 36863 (334) 644-7781

Cherokee
260 Cedar Bluff Rd, Suite 106
Centre, Alabama 35960-1403 (256) 927-5336

Chilton
500 2nd Ave N Rm 119
Clanton, Alabama 35045 (205) 755-3820

Choctaw
117 S Mulberry Ave, Suite 1
Butler, Alabama 36904-2557 (205) 459-2531

Clarke
114 Court St
Grove Hill, Alabama 36451 (251) 275-3062

Clay
1 Courthouse Square, 1st Floor
Ashland, Alabama 36251 (256) 354-7815

Cleburne
120 Vickery Street, Room 103
Heflin, Alabama 36264-1166 (256) 463-5299

Coffee
6 County Complex
New Brockton, Alabama 36351-9791 (334) 894-5347

Colbert
201 N Main Street
Tuscumbia, Alabama 35674-2095 (256) 386-8535

Conecuh
200 Court Street, Room 224
Evergreen, Alabama 36401 (251) 578-7024

Coosa
9709 US Hwy 231
Rockford, Alabama 35136 (256) 377-2418

Covington
228 Hillcrest Drive
Andalusia, Alabama 36420-2570 (334) 428-2685

Crenshaw
29 S Glenwood Ave
Luverne, Alabama 36049 (334) 335-6568 Ext. 254

Cullman
500 2nd Ave SW, Suite 112
Cullman, Alabama 35055-4135 (256) 739-3530 Ext. 275

Dale
100 Court Square
Ozark, Alabama 36360 (334) 774-9038

Dallas
105 Lauderdale St Rm 122
Selma, Alabama 36701 (334) 874-2534

DeKalb
111 Grand Ave SW, Suite 105
Fort Payne, Alabama 35967 (256) 845-8598

Elmore
100 E Commerce Street, Room 205
Wetumpka, Alabama 36092-2746 (334) 567-1150
(334) 567-1197
Escambia
301 Belleville Ave Rm 204
Brewton, Alabama 36426 (251) 867-0243

Etowah
800 Forrest Ave, Suite 206
Gadsden, Alabama 35901-3651 (256) 549-5384

Fayette
103 First Ave NW, Suite 4
Fayette, Alabama 35555-2627 (205) 932-5432

Franklin
410 Jackson Ave
Russellville, Alabama 35653 (256) 332-8849

Geneva
200 N. Commerce Street
Geneva, Alabama 36340 (334) 684-5655

Greene
110 Main Street
Eutaw, Alabama 35443 (205) 372-9669

Hale
905D Centerville Street
Greensboro, Alabama 36744-1536 (334) 624-4672

Henry
101 Court Square Ste K
Abbeville, Alabama 36310-2135 (334) 585-6080

Houston
462 N Oates
Dothan, Alabama 36303 (334) 677-4776

Jackson
102 E Laurel St
Scottsboro, Alabama 35768 (256) 574-9339

Jefferson
716 Richard Arrington Jr Blvd N, Ste A-410
Birmingham, Alabama 35203-0115 (205) 325-5550

Lamar
44690 Hwy 17
Vernon, Alabama 35592 (205) 695-6348

Lauderdale
200 South Court Street
Florence, Alabama 35630 (256) 760-5840

Lawrence
14451 Market Street Ste 340
Moulton, Alabama 35650 (256) 974-2460

Lee
215 S 9th St
Opelika, Alabama 36801 (334) 737-3635

Limestone
100 Clinton Street S., Suite E
Athens, Alabama 35611-2665 (256) 233-6405

Lowndes
205 Tuskeena St E Rm 101
Hayneville, Alabama 36040 (334) 548-2389
(334) 548-2080
Macon
101 Rosa Parks Ave Ste 100
Tuskegee, Alabama 36083-1735 (334) 724-2617

Madison
819 Cook Avenue, NW, Suite 150
Huntsville, Alabama 35801-5983 (256) 532-3510

Marengo
101 E Coats Ave
Linden, Alabama 36748 (334) 295-2249

Marion
132 Military Street South
Hamilton, Alabama 35570 (205) 921-3625

Marshall
424 Blount Ave Ste 106A
Guntersville, Alabama 35976-1122 (256) 571-7740

Mobile
151 Government St Ste 165
Mobile, Alabama 36602 (251) 574-8586

Monroe
65 N. Alabama Ave.
Monroeville, Alabama 36460 (251) 743-4107 Ext. 141

Montgomery
100 S Lawrence St.
Montgomery, Alabama 36104 (334) 832-1215

Morgan
302 Lee St NE
Decatur, Alabama 35601 (256) 351-4660

Perry
300 Washington Street Ste 102
Marion, Alabama 36756 (334) 683-2218

Pickens
155 Reform Street, Suite 303
Carrollton, Alabama 35447 (205) 367-2071

Pike
120 W Church Street, Room B2
Troy, Alabama 36081-1913 (334) 566-1757

Randolph
2 First Street NE
Wedowee, Alabama 36278 (256) 357-2138

Russell
1000 Broad St
Phenix City, Alabama 36867 (334) 298-1443

Shelby
108 W College Street Ste 100
Columbiana, Alabama 35051 (205) 669-3913

St. Clair
1815 Cogswell Ave Ste B-25
Pell City, Alabama 35125 (205) 338-3954

Sumter
311 S Washington St
Livingston, Alabama 35470 (205) 652-7902

Talladega
1 Courthouse Square
Talladega, Alabama 35160 (256) 761-2132
(256) 761-2131
Talladega
400 N Norton Avenue
Sylacauga, Alabama 35150-2010 (256) 249-1007

Tallapoosa
125 N Broadnax St Rm 20
Dadeville, Alabama 36853-1371 (256) 825-1081

Tuscaloosa
2501 7th St Ste 200
Tuscaloosa, Alabama 35401-1801 (205) 349-3870 Ext. 415

Walker
1803 3rd Ave Ste 109A
Jasper, Alabama 35501 (205) 384-7279

Washington
45 Court St.
Chatom, Alabama 36558 (251) 847-3255

Wilcox
104 Court Street
Camden, Alabama 36726 (334) 682-9753

Winston
11 Blake Dr Rm 3
Double Springs, Alabama 35553

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I think they are closing non-state owned offices to get driver's licenses, not County Board of Registrars Office Locations.