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kalm wrote:Trumpster laying some serious wood to Bush now. Even Salon agrees with him. :lol: And Jeb has surrounded himself with the same neo-cons. :dunce:

If Bush had been a Democrat, everyone would be agreeing with Trump on this. :nod:
But right now, we’re in one of those rare moments when Donald Trump is right—and even more astoundingly, he’s the only one. As the billionaire calls BS on mythologizing around 9/11 and how George W. Bush “kept us safe”—a myth Jeb Bush has turned into a mantra on the campaign trail—Trump deserves credit for actually nailing it this time, and for saying what neither Republicans nor Democrats have had the courage to publicly utter in more than a decade.

The kerfuffle started last week with a Bloomberg TV interview in which Trump stated about George W. Bush, “Blame him, or don’t blame him, but he was president.” He continued, “The World Trade Center came down during his reign.”

Jeb Bush responded via Twitter, calling Trump “pathetic” and insisting, “We were attacked & my brother kept us safe.”

“No,” Trump returned, “you’re pathetic for saying nothing happened during your brother’s term when the World Trade Center was attacked and came down.”

And here, Trump makes perhaps the most honest, sanest, and above all, unassailably correct statement he’s uttered during this campaign season thus far. Though endless outlets criticized the billionaire for blaming Bush for the attacks (and I’ll defer to Peter Beinart’s excellent Atlantic piece on why that’s also true), the question of blame is essentially irrelevant. What’s unquestionably true is that Bush did not keep us safe, a basic reality revealed by the fact of 9/11. It’s not rocket science. And yet, for 13 years now, even Bush’s foes haven’t said as much.

In the days since that appearance, Trump has used his Twitter to double down on his remarks, highlighting issues that seem likely to damage Jeb Bush’s campaign and to make it difficult to continue his defense of his brother. These tweets included an article pointing out that Jeb Bush, in his 2013 bookImmigration Wars, had written that 9/11 could partly be attributed to the U.S.’ “leaky immigration” policy at the time; a link to a New York Times article pointing out that more than a month ahead of the attacks, during an intelligence briefing, Bush was provided with a classified document titled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S”; a reminder that none other than Jeb Bush was governor of Florida when all 12 of the highjackers acquired identification through legal means in the state; and a Buzzfeed News piece excerpting a 2000 letter by Trump warning of the potential for a major terrorist attack on U.S. soil, in which the billionaire makes specific reference to Osama bin Laden.
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Is he ever! :shock:

Can you believe this clown was considered the best the conks had to offer? Son of a president and brother of another, considered the smartest of a dim litter? A seasoned politician just getting the creeping bejeezus kicked out of him by a guy that supplied the character for Biff in Back to the Future? Where's gonadface to tell how the conks are on a streak and everything is under control... :rofl:

Truly this is a wonderful time for a person who likes humor in their politics. If Trump doesn't slow his stroke and use more lube Jeb's poop chute is going to spontaneously combust... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :thumb:

This is just too good..... Monty Python doesn't come close... :lmao:
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Probably the most un-American thing I've done in my entire life - I'm doing right now
and that is loving Donald Trump and hoping he becomes the Nominee

I can't help myself - its too good



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houndawg wrote: Can you believe this clown was considered the best the conks had to offer? Son of a president and brother of another, considered the smartest of a dim litter? A seasoned politician just getting the creeping bejeezus kicked out of him by a guy that supplied the character for Biff in Back to the Future? Where's gonadface to tell how the conks are on a streak and everything is under control... :rofl:
Who considered him "the best the conks had to offer?" :roll: :roll: :roll:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
houndawg wrote: Can you believe this clown was considered the best the conks had to offer? Son of a president and brother of another, considered the smartest of a dim litter? A seasoned politician just getting the creeping bejeezus kicked out of him by a guy that supplied the character for Biff in Back to the Future? Where's gonadface to tell how the conks are on a streak and everything is under control... :rofl:
Who considered him "the best the conks had to offer?" :roll: :roll: :roll:

The conk establishment. :coffee:

Now, to be fair, they weren't the only ones caught off guard by Trump's titanic political appeal to the drooling imbeciles they've been brainwashing for 40 years. Most people didn't see that coming, although it makes perfect sense looking back. The coming year is going to be the political equivalent of the Hindenberg but knee-slapping funny....
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houndawg wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Who considered him "the best the conks had to offer?" :roll: :roll: :roll:

The conk establishment. :coffee:

Now, to be fair, they weren't the only ones caught off guard by Trump's titanic political appeal to the drooling imbeciles they've been brainwashing for 40 years. Most people didn't see that coming, although it makes perfect sense looking back. The coming year is going to be the political equivalent of the Hindenberg but knee-slapping funny....

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Chizzang wrote:Probably the most un-American thing I've done in my entire life - I'm doing right now
and that is loving Donald Trump and hoping he becomes the Nominee

I can't help myself - its too good



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Trump wants Qaddafi and Saddam brought back to life and back in power to keep the terrorists at bay. He likes international strongmen! This guy just has to keep talking, and my case of beer will be bankable. :nod:
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Chizzang wrote:Probably the most un-American thing I've done in my entire life - I'm doing right now
and that is loving Donald Trump and hoping he becomes the Nominee

I can't help myself - its too good



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Trump wants Qaddafi and Saddam brought back to life and back in power to keep the terrorists at bay. He likes international strongmen! This guy just has to keep talking, and my case of beer will be bankable. :nod:
He's right. We could have used Saddam as a buffer against Iran. Iran has always been the real problem. Saddam's Iraq was just a sideshow. Now we have Iranians running around all over Iraq. Iraq is now Iran's client state.

As for Qaddafi, he was a nutjob who was always good for a laugh or two. He's far preferable to the nutjobs who are there now and never good for a laugh or two.
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CitadelGrad wrote:
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Trump wants Qaddafi and Saddam brought back to life and back in power to keep the terrorists at bay. He likes international strongmen! This guy just has to keep talking, and my case of beer will be bankable. :nod:
He's right. We could have used Saddam as a buffer against Iran. Iran has always been the real problem. Saddam's Iraq was just a sideshow. Now we have Iranians running around all over Iraq. Iraq is now Iran's client state.

As for Qaddafi, he was a nutjob who was always good for a laugh or two. He's far preferable to the nutjobs who are there now and never good for a laugh or two.
Remember the Iran-Iraq war? That lasted almost 8 years, and the U.S. ended up selling weapons to Saddam to bail him out. Some "buffer." But I take your point.
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CitadelGrad wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:
Trump wants Qaddafi and Saddam brought back to life and back in power to keep the terrorists at bay. He likes international strongmen! This guy just has to keep talking, and my case of beer will be bankable. :nod:
He's right. We could have used Saddam as a buffer against Iran. Iran has always been the real problem. Saddam's Iraq was just a sideshow. Now we have Iranians running around all over Iraq. Iraq is now Iran's client state.

As for Qaddafi, he was a nutjob who was always good for a laugh or two. He's far preferable to the nutjobs who are there now and never good for a laugh or two.
Thats why we put Saddam in power in the first place, Poindexter. Probably before you were born.
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He's right. We could have used Saddam as a buffer against Iran. Iran has always been the real problem. Saddam's Iraq was just a sideshow. Now we have Iranians running around all over Iraq. Iraq is now Iran's client state.

As for Qaddafi, he was a nutjob who was always good for a laugh or two. He's far preferable to the nutjobs who are there now and never good for a laugh or two.
Remember the Iran-Iraq war? That lasted almost 8 years, and the U.S. ended up selling weapons to Saddam to bail him out. Some "buffer." But I take your point.
I remember. I also remember that Saddam was an effective buffer. The Iranians failed to achieve their objectives in that war.
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Ivytalk wrote: Remember the Iran-Iraq war? That lasted almost 8 years, and the U.S. ended up selling weapons to Saddam to bail him out. Some "buffer." But I take your point.
I remember. I also remember that Saddam was an effective buffer. The Iranians failed to achieve their objectives in that war.
Or here's a fucking thought...why don't we learn from 40 year old lessons and quit supporting and selling arms to BOTH dictators and insurgent terrorist groups.
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kalm wrote:
CitadelGrad wrote:
I remember. I also remember that Saddam was an effective buffer. The Iranians failed to achieve their objectives in that war.
Or here's a **** thought...why don't we learn from 40 year old lessons and quit supporting and selling arms to BOTH dictators and insurgent terrorist groups.
If Trump wins, I think he'll content himself with selling arms to established dictators only. But he won't get the nomination, so I wouldn't fret about it.
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kalm wrote:
CitadelGrad wrote:
I remember. I also remember that Saddam was an effective buffer. The Iranians failed to achieve their objectives in that war.
Or here's a **** thought...why don't we learn from 40 year old lessons and quit supporting and selling arms to BOTH dictators and insurgent terrorist groups.
Well, it is kinda a messy world. If we don't sell them arms or try to influence them then someone else will. It'll come full circle again in a few years with people arguing why we didn't get engaged more. :coffee:
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Ivytalk wrote: Remember the Iran-Iraq war? That lasted almost 8 years, and the U.S. ended up selling weapons to Saddam to bail him out. Some "buffer." But I take your point.
I remember. I also remember that Saddam was an effective buffer. The Iranians failed to achieve their objectives in that war.
He was our boy for a long time. Too bad he got greedy. :ohno:
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GannonFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
Or here's a **** thought...why don't we learn from 40 year old lessons and quit supporting and selling arms to BOTH dictators and insurgent terrorist groups.
Well, it is kinda a messy world. If we don't sell them arms or try to influence them then someone else will. It'll come full circle again in a few years with people arguing why we didn't get engaged more. :coffee:
I'd fine with letting Russia take over as world police for awhile. :coffee:
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kalm wrote:
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I remember. I also remember that Saddam was an effective buffer. The Iranians failed to achieve their objectives in that war.
Or here's a **** thought...why don't we learn from 40 year old lessons and quit supporting and selling arms to BOTH dictators and insurgent terrorist groups.
Think of the poppy farmers that will lose their jobs if weapons sales dry up.

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kalm wrote:
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Well, it is kinda a messy world. If we don't sell them arms or try to influence them then someone else will. It'll come full circle again in a few years with people arguing why we didn't get engaged more. :coffee:
I'd fine with letting Russia take over as world police for awhile. :coffee:
And China and Europe and so on.

I'm sure we'll be perfectly fine, I mean, we have two big oceans between us and the rest of the world. Can't imagine that troubles elsewhere can really impact us here in the US, it is a pretty big world! (I'm sure this is what political message boards would sound like if they existed in the 1930's and earlier). :rofl:
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GannonFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
I'd fine with letting Russia take over as world police for awhile. :coffee:
And China and Europe and so on.

I'm sure we'll be perfectly fine, I mean, we have two big oceans between us and the rest of the world. Can't imagine that troubles elsewhere can really impact us here in the US, it is a pretty big world! (I'm sure this is what political message boards would sound like if they existed in the 1930's and earlier). :rofl:
Being a big world doesn't mean in its in our long-term best interest to support dictators and terrorists not to mention the morality of it all. :roll:
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GannonFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
I'd fine with letting Russia take over as world police for awhile. :coffee:
And China and Europe and so on.

I'm sure we'll be perfectly fine, I mean, we have two big oceans between us and the rest of the world. Can't imagine that troubles elsewhere can really impact us here in the US, it is a pretty big world! (I'm sure this is what political message boards would sound like if they existed in the 1930's and earlier). :rofl:
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

I recognize that. :coffee:
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CitadelGrad wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:
Trump wants Qaddafi and Saddam brought back to life and back in power to keep the terrorists at bay. He likes international strongmen! This guy just has to keep talking, and my case of beer will be bankable. :nod:
He's right. We could have used Saddam as a buffer against Iran. Iran has always been the real problem. Saddam's Iraq was just a sideshow. Now we have Iranians running around all over Iraq. Iraq is now Iran's client state.

As for Qaddafi, he was a nutjob who was always good for a laugh or two. He's far preferable to the nutjobs who are there now and never good for a laugh or two.

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houndawg wrote:
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Who considered him "the best the conks had to offer?" :roll: :roll: :roll:

The conk establishment. :coffee:

Now, to be fair, they weren't the only ones caught off guard by Trump's titanic political appeal to the drooling imbeciles they've been brainwashing for 40 years. Most people didn't see that coming, although it makes perfect sense looking back. The coming year is going to be the political equivalent of the Hindenberg but knee-slapping funny....
I'm not sure you can say the establishment. He's doing well in the polls but listen to what he's saying. He's going against the Republican establishment. He's popular with the far right wingers.

Trump may be a clown, but he's the only person up there that is speaking honestly AND isn't being bought and sold like chattel. He's called out Super-PACs, he's called out the politicians running on that money. I'm starting to like Trump for a few reasons:

1) Career politicians have screwed up the country. Trump, if President, won't be a dictator and will be balanced by the career ticks in Congress.

2) He terrifies the Left and Right establishment. He'll say what politicians won't.

3) He's owning his political incorrectness and he's only getting more popular.

4) He may be a billionaire, however the FEC reports only ~$6M in contributions, $0 from SuperPacs. And he's the front runner!?! :rofl:

5) We all know about his divorces, bankruptcies, ups and downs. He doesn't have this fake persona of some wonderful, benevolent, perfect person/politician.



I'm not saying I'd vote for him, but what is the alternative? Another Bush or Clinton in office? A Dr. that believes the world is 6000 yrs old, despite science? Those goblins Rubio and Cruz? Sanders? :tothehand: :twocents:
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I'll just leave this here...

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Pwns wrote:I'll just leave this here...

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Pwns wrote:I'll just leave this here...

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-el ... ce-n456006" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
:tiptoe: :tiptoe:


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Chizzang wrote:
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:tiptoe: :tiptoe:


:ohno: What's your pay pal address...
Still a LONG way to go... :kisswink:
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