Fight for $15

[JohnStOnge]

I'll say the same thing I always say: ANY minimum wage is wrong because it means forcing people to pay more for something than it is worth. The value of labor or service, like anything else, is a function of supply and demand. Government should not be forcing, say, fast food places to pay $15.00 per hour to workers when people will voluntarily take the positions they offer for less than that. If you don't want to work for less than $15 per hour, don't work for less than $15 per hour.

And the thing about people who pay less than that "costing" the society because of social services for their employees is bogus. If the society decides it wants to have social safety nets and such that's not the fault of people trying to run businesses. You want to pay for people who can't support themselves? Then do it. Don't friggin' say businesses have to pay their workers more so you can feel good about yourself through forcing other people to do it.

[YoUDeeMan]

What, most of the regulars at your golf course?

I'm surprised at that number, seems low to me.

Me, too.

[AZGrizFan]

BTW, not that $429,000 isn't a lot of money, but it's really not as much as you think around here when $1,000,000 gets you this...

This is what $1 million buys you in San Antonio:
4BR, 5 BA, 5,016 sq ft, 0.6 acre lot, views for miles,

[89Hen]

Many of the checkers at the grocery store above my office have been there the entire 16 years I've been in this office. They all know me by name even though I pay with cash and don't present a store card that gives them my name. Every time I walk into the SAME bank I've been going to for 16 years, not a single person knows my name and they ask me for my ID every time I bank there.

I think I've identified your problem.

[AZGrizFan]

I'm surprised at that number, seems low to me.

Me, too.

Be careful, lest you TOO find yourself among the hated 1%.

That pays 37% of the taxes in this country.

[Ibanez]

I don't think I've ever been ID'd at a bank unless I opened up an account....

You're also not black.

Neither are you, Uncle Tom.

[Ibanez]

BTW, not that $429,000 isn't a lot of money, but it's really not as much as you think around here when $1,000,000 gets you this...

This is what $1 million buys you in San Antonio:
4BR, 5 BA, 5,016 sq ft, 0.6 acre lot, views for miles,

4BR 5BA? That's unusual.

[dbackjon]

This is what $1 million buys you in San Antonio:
4BR, 5 BA, 5,016 sq ft, 0.6 acre lot, views for miles,

4BR 5BA? That's unusual.

Not really. The bigger the house, the more bathrooms vs bedrooms you will find.

If you have one per bedroom (on a second level), you will usually have at least one on the main floor.
Bathrooms that have an outside door (with shower) for places with a pool is not uncommon.

[BDKJMU]

I'm going to preface this post with the following disclaimer:

I have done little to no research on this and am shooting from the hip.

Having said that....


The "Fight for $15", is a movement to increase the minimum wage to $15. The basis is that for the most part fast food workers, e.g, are full time employees and can't afford to take care of their families on the current minimum wage. According to Payscale.com, the average wage for a fast food employee is $7.98/hr. That is $16,598/yr. I'm not going bother trying to figure out the take home pay after taxes, etc...

So, if you're a single man earning about $319 a week, you're having a tough time. That's not a living wage so you go on welfare. Now, the American public, is subsidizing your living expenses. Studies estimates that 52% of fast food workers are on welfare and that totals to $7B annually.

Spoiler: show

Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... assistance UC-Berkeley is one of the universities behind the states so that should have some weight.

These days, though, 68 percent of fast-food workers are single or married adults who aren’t in school—and 26 percent are raising children.

Walmart, I know it's not fast food, is one of the largest consumers of welfare. The average Wal-Mart associates receives $1,000/mo. The avg FT wage at Wal-Mart is $8.81 or $15,576.

Spoiler: show

34 hrs is FT at Wal-Mart.

So, for the sake of argument, let's stick with the Wal-Mart associate that brings in, before taxes, $27,500 a year between his wage and public assistance. That is above the poverty threshold for a family of 4. And that's just one person.

If, the minimum wage were raised to $15/hr, what would be the outcome?

1) Would FT fast food and retail workers still qualify for public assistance?

2) Would an increase ultimately be better for America because less people would be on public assistance?

3) Would there be an increase in public assistance because people in these capacities are short sighted and will quit to continue receiving the hands out?

I think at a minimum we'll see prices increase and some layoffs.


I was thinking about it this morning and would, theoretically, assume that there would be a temporary increase in public assistance because smaller companies would have to lay off employees; there would be some price increases, even if it's only a few cents in same cases; but eventually less people would be on public assistance and the government could waste that money elsewhere.

I googled "average walmart wage" and this popped up on top of the search page, no link:
"According to Walmart's website, the average wage for a full-time store worker is $12.83 per hour, which translates into a salary of about $27,000 per year."

[Ibanez]

4BR 5BA? That's unusual.

Not really. The bigger the house, the more bathrooms vs bedrooms you will find.

If you have one per bedroom (on a second level), you will usually have at least one on the main floor.
Bathrooms that have an outside door (with shower) for places with a pool is not uncommon.

Size of the house is irrelevant. It's a bedroom to bathroom ratio. The amenities that a house offers would explain more bathrooms than bedrooms. Pool houses, theaters, extra garages, etc...

The norm is something like 2 bed 1 bath. 3 bed 1.5 or 2 bath. But it's odd to see more baths then bedrooms, unless you have a pool house which I'm assuming is the case. And I say this as some one that has appraised real estate from 2000-2007. You normally don't have more bathrooms than bedrooms.

[dbackjon]

Not really. The bigger the house, the more bathrooms vs bedrooms you will find.

If you have one per bedroom (on a second level), you will usually have at least one on the main floor.
Bathrooms that have an outside door (with shower) for places with a pool is not uncommon.

Size of the house is irrelevant. It's a bedroom to bathroom ratio. The amenities that a house offers would explain more bathrooms than bedrooms. Pool houses, theaters, extra garages, etc...

The norm is something like 2 bed 1 bath. 3 bed 1.5 or 2 bath. But it's odd to see more baths then bedrooms, unless you have a pool house which I'm assuming is the case. And I say this as some one that has appraised real estate from 2000-2007. You normally don't have more bathrooms than bedrooms.

In high end homes you do, at least now. 2007 is ancient history, remember

[Ibanez]

I'm going to preface this post with the following disclaimer:

I have done little to no research on this and am shooting from the hip.

Having said that....


The "Fight for $15", is a movement to increase the minimum wage to $15. The basis is that for the most part fast food workers, e.g, are full time employees and can't afford to take care of their families on the current minimum wage. According to Payscale.com, the average wage for a fast food employee is $7.98/hr. That is $16,598/yr. I'm not going bother trying to figure out the take home pay after taxes, etc...

So, if you're a single man earning about $319 a week, you're having a tough time. That's not a living wage so you go on welfare. Now, the American public, is subsidizing your living expenses. Studies estimates that 52% of fast food workers are on welfare and that totals to $7B annually.

Spoiler: show

Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... assistance UC-Berkeley is one of the universities behind the states so that should have some weight.

Walmart, I know it's not fast food, is one of the largest consumers of welfare. The average Wal-Mart associates receives $1,000/mo. The avg FT wage at Wal-Mart is $8.81 or $15,576.

Spoiler: show

34 hrs is FT at Wal-Mart.

So, for the sake of argument, let's stick with the Wal-Mart associate that brings in, before taxes, $27,500 a year between his wage and public assistance. That is above the poverty threshold for a family of 4. And that's just one person.

If, the minimum wage were raised to $15/hr, what would be the outcome?

1) Would FT fast food and retail workers still qualify for public assistance?

2) Would an increase ultimately be better for America because less people would be on public assistance?

3) Would there be an increase in public assistance because people in these capacities are short sighted and will quit to continue receiving the hands out?

I think at a minimum we'll see prices increase and some layoffs.


I was thinking about it this morning and would, theoretically, assume that there would be a temporary increase in public assistance because smaller companies would have to lay off employees; there would be some price increases, even if it's only a few cents in same cases; but eventually less people would be on public assistance and the government could waste that money elsewhere.

I googled "average walmart wage" and this popped up on top of the search page, no link:
"According to Walmart's website, the average wage for a full-time store worker is $12.83 per hour, which translates into a salary of about $27,000 per year."

Mine came from an article. I think la times.

[Ibanez]

Size of the house is irrelevant. It's a bedroom to bathroom ratio. The amenities that a house offers would explain more bathrooms than bedrooms. Pool houses, theaters, extra garages, etc...

The norm is something like 2 bed 1 bath. 3 bed 1.5 or 2 bath. But it's odd to see more baths then bedrooms, unless you have a pool house which I'm assuming is the case. And I say this as some one that has appraised real estate from 2000-2007. You normally don't have more bathrooms than bedrooms.

In high end homes you do, at least now. 2007 is ancient history, remember

It was a different market but those homes still exist. And there's still a bathroom to bedroom ratio that's optimum for your house. The # of bedrooms even dictates the size of your septic system. We had a perc test done last year and were given all sorts of documents and guidelines to keep in mind when building and that was one consideration.

[Ibanez]

I think that house would go for a couple million out here. $5M easy if its on water.


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[dbackjon]

Bathrooms per Bedroom:

Note - in cities that have experienced a lot of growth recently, the ratio is close to 1:1

1 Raleigh–Cary, NC MSA 1.07
2 Las Vegas–Paradise, NV MSA 1.00
3 West Palm Beach–Boca Raton–Boynton Beach, FL MSA 1.00
4 Atlanta–Sandy Springs–Marietta, GA MSA 0.98
5 Charlotte–Gastonia–Rock Hill, NC-SC MSA 0.96
6 Nashville–Davidson–Murfreesboro–Franklin, TN 0.96
7 Fort Lauderdale–Pompano Beach–Deerfield Beach, FL MSA 0.95
8 Miami–Miami Beach–Kendall, FL MSA 0.95
9 Dallas–Plano–Irving, TX MSA 0.95
10 Phoenix–Mesa–Glendale, AZ MSA 0.94 - See more at: http://www.trulia.com/blog/trends/can-y ... 44HEs.dpuf

Older metro areas have the ratio you seem to think is normal:

1 Pittsburgh, PA MSA 0.72
2 New York–White Plains–Wayne, NY-NJ Metro Division 0.73
3 Oklahoma City, OK MSA 0.73
4 Oakland–Fremont–Hayward, CA MSA 0.74
5 Cleveland–Elyria–Mentor, OH MSA 0.75
6 Detroit–Livonia–Dearborn, MI Metro Division 0.77
7 Buffalo–Niagara Falls, NY MSA 0.77
8 Sacramento–Arden–Arcade–Roseville, CA MSA 0.78
9 San Francisco–San Mateo–Redwood City, CA Metro Division 0.78
10 Milwaukee–Waukesha–West Allis, WI MSA 0.78



House that my best friend just bought (new construction) is typical for Phoenix
Downstairs:
Master with attached bathroom
Full Bathroom accessible from entry hall
Two bedrooms with common bathroom

Upstairs:
Media room/office with full bathroom

So that is 3 bedrooms, 4 bathrooms

[dbackjon]

In high end homes you do, at least now. 2007 is ancient history, remember

It was a different market but those homes still exist. And there's still a bathroom to bedroom ratio that's optimum for your house. The # of bedrooms even dictates the size of your septic system. We had a perc test done last year and were given all sorts of documents and guidelines to keep in mind when building and that was one consideration.

Most large developments out here are on sewer systems.

But we can look at my sister's new house in suburban Chicago, on an acre lot, with septic:

Upstairs:
Two Master Bedrooms
Two Bedrooms with adjoining bath

Downstairs
One full bathroom

Basement
One full bathroom

So again, 4 bedrooms, 5 bathrooms

[BDKJMU]

As I've mentioned before, 15/hour in Cheney, WA is not the same as 15/hour in Redmond, or NoVa, or PG, or Charlotte.

It's a cookie-cutter arbitrary number.

Exactly. $15/hr is going to go further in most places not called LA, NYC, Washington DC, etc...

It's a band-aid.

You do a $15 an hr min wage in a high cost of living area you're still going to cause some costs to go up and increased umemployment, at least among teens-early 20s people. You do it in BFE low cost of living rural area it will be economic chaos with close to 100% teen unemployment.

Besides the massive difference in cost of living in different regions, there is also the fact that HS and college age kids living at home with mommy & daddy working their 1st low/no skill job(s) don't need to be making $15 an hr, or even $10, esp in low cost of living areas.

It seems like I'm the only one who ever brings up the idea of a tiered by age min wage like they have in some (all?) European countries..You could have say 3 min wages one for under 18, one for 18-21 and one for over 21. Or whatever ages you wanted to plug in.

[Ibanez]

It was a different market but those homes still exist. And there's still a bathroom to bedroom ratio that's optimum for your house. The # of bedrooms even dictates the size of your septic system. We had a perc test done last year and were given all sorts of documents and guidelines to keep in mind when building and that was one consideration.

Most large developments out here are on sewer systems.

But we can look at my sister's new house in suburban Chicago, on an acre lot, with septic:

Upstairs:
Two Master Bedrooms
Two Bedrooms with adjoining bath

Downstairs
One full bathroom

Basement
One full bathroom

So again, 4 bedrooms, 5 bathrooms

Go back and see where I said amenities can increase and explain the lopsided number. Basement explains it.

Let me ask you, is there a closet in the basement? If so, then it's can be counted as a bedroom.

[Ibanez]

It was a different market but those homes still exist. And there's still a bathroom to bedroom ratio that's optimum for your house. The # of bedrooms even dictates the size of your septic system. We had a perc test done last year and were given all sorts of documents and guidelines to keep in mind when building and that was one consideration.

Most large developments out here are on sewer systems.

But we can look at my sister's new house in suburban Chicago, on an acre lot, with septic:

Upstairs:
Two Master Bedrooms
Two Bedrooms with adjoining bath

Downstairs
One full bathroom

Basement
One full bathroom

So again, 4 bedrooms, 5 bathrooms

2 master baths is a growing trend. If seen an Increase in new construction with them.


We have septic out here b/c it's a rural area and the city hasn't brought lines out. But that's changing due to the economic boom occurring in the tri-county area.

[CAA Flagship]

Not really. The bigger the house, the more bathrooms vs bedrooms you will find.

If you have one per bedroom (on a second level), you will usually have at least one on the main floor.
Bathrooms that have an outside door (with shower) for places with a pool is not uncommon.

Size of the house is irrelevant. It's a bedroom to bathroom ratio. The amenities that a house offers would explain more bathrooms than bedrooms. Pool houses, theaters, extra garages, etc...

The norm is something like 2 bed 1 bath. 3 bed 1.5 or 2 bath. But it's odd to see more baths then bedrooms, unless you have a pool house which I'm assuming is the case. And I say this as some one that has appraised real estate from 2000-2007. You normally don't have more bathrooms than bedrooms.

I have 4 bedrooms and 6 shitters.

[BDKJMU]

Soon after the min wage was raised to $7.25 in 2009 there were people calling for $10 an hr. Now you have people calling $15. Raise it to $15 and by the end of this decade they'll be calls for $20 an hr..

[Ibanez]

I just did some research and see that there are regional and generational differences with regards to the ratio. That makes sense. Everything is bigger in Texas.


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[CAA Flagship]

I go to McDonalds 5 times a week and those dumb fucks don't recognize me.

I think YOU'RE the dumb fuck in that sitee-ation...

I thought that line would have gotten more play than a single bandl.

[Ibanez]

Size of the house is irrelevant. It's a bedroom to bathroom ratio. The amenities that a house offers would explain more bathrooms than bedrooms. Pool houses, theaters, extra garages, etc...

The norm is something like 2 bed 1 bath. 3 bed 1.5 or 2 bath. But it's odd to see more baths then bedrooms, unless you have a pool house which I'm assuming is the case. And I say this as some one that has appraised real estate from 2000-2007. You normally don't have more bathrooms than bedrooms.

I have 4 bedrooms and 6 shitters.

6 full bathrooms?

[dbackjon]

Size of the house is irrelevant. It's a bedroom to bathroom ratio. The amenities that a house offers would explain more bathrooms than bedrooms. Pool houses, theaters, extra garages, etc...

The norm is something like 2 bed 1 bath. 3 bed 1.5 or 2 bath. But it's odd to see more baths then bedrooms, unless you have a pool house which I'm assuming is the case. And I say this as some one that has appraised real estate from 2000-2007. You normally don't have more bathrooms than bedrooms.

I have 4 bedrooms and 6 shitters.

Well, since you are so full of shit it is prudent to keep one behind every other door!