What’s Driving the Talk of Civil War?

[Bobcat]

Where have the right been forcing religion on people? Like do they tell you you have to join their religion or you lose your job are they forcing you to be religious "for the greater good"?

Requiring the posting of the (protestant) 10 commandments in school classrooms for starters. Banning books from school libraries but not the Bible (have you read the smut that's in the Bible?).

How is the 10 commandments any different than a pride flag. Its not, so don't come back with separation of church and state. its just another propaganda flag

[BDKJMU]

Fuck you. Had the mandate not been overturned, I would have lost my job. They held the loss of my employment over my head in order to force me to get an unneeded and detrimental to my health vaccine.

You really need to stay out of this one. Your stance fucked millions over.

Big government loving, trump hating RINO with a severe case of tDS!


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How is Griz complaining about big govt mandating private employees get a vaccine ‘big govt loving’? Sounds like he is big govt hating.

[BDKJMU]

Fuck you too. His stance fucked over millions. It was the wrong choice.

...better safe than sorry. Obama did a much better job with Ebola than Trumps miserable failure with covid.

been decades since there was a job market like this.

Well sure. Wages are down (inflation adjusted) since 2020.

[SeattleGriz]

Where have the right been forcing religion on people? Like do they tell you you have to join their religion or you lose your job are they forcing you to be religious "for the greater good"?

Requiring the posting of the (protestant) 10 commandments in school classrooms for starters. Banning books from school libraries but not the Bible (have you read the smut that's in the Bible?).

Classic StUni. Painted himself into a corner and now simply making shit up.

Posting of the 10 commandments is not forcing anyone. I 'll agree they shouldn't be posted, but within the church.

Secondly. No books are banned. Anyone can buy them on their own dime. Many of the books are donated and parents are voicing their opinions that just because it was given to the school, it doesn't necessarily need to be placed in the library.

Lastly, the Bible is by far the most "banned" book out there.

[kalm]

Big government loving, trump hating RINO with a severe case of tDS!


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How is Griz complaining about big govt mandating private employees get a vaccine ‘big govt loving’? Sounds like he is big govt hating.

The same big government ruled in favor of businesses deciding on their own.

[UNI88]

Requiring the posting of the (protestant) 10 commandments in school classrooms for starters. Banning books from school libraries but not the Bible (have you read the smut that's in the Bible?).

Classic StUni. Painted himself into a corner and now simply making shit up.

Posting of the 10 commandments is not forcing anyone. I 'll agree they shouldn't be posted, but within the church.

Secondly. No books are banned. Anyone can buy them on their own dime. Many of the books are donated and parents are voicing their opinions that just because it was given to the school, it doesn't necessarily need to be placed in the library.

Lastly, the Bible is by far the most "banned" book out there.

Louisiana now, Oklahoma considering it (and worse), Texas and other states earlier in the process.

There is a difference between a teacher voluntarily displaying a pride flag (freedom) and being forced to display the 10 commandments (not freedom).


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[UNI88]

Big government loving, trump hating RINO with a severe case of tDS!


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How is Griz complaining about big govt mandating private employees get a vaccine ‘big govt loving’? Sounds like he is big govt hating.

My interpretation was that SG was complaining about an employer mandate and wanting the government to step in and regulate employers to prevent it which is absolutely not a Republican position.


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[houndawg]

Freedom of religion means people are free to worship whatever religion they want or to not worship any religion. Forcing a particular religion upon people is the exact opposite of freedom of religion. It's the rightwing version of woke.

Where have the right been forcing religion on people? Like do they tell you you have to join their religion or you lose your job are they forcing you to be religious "for the greater good"?

Christian Nationalism.

All religions are equal, but some are more equal

[SeattleGriz]

Classic StUni. Painted himself into a corner and now simply making shit up.

Posting of the 10 commandments is not forcing anyone. I 'll agree they shouldn't be posted, but within the church.

Secondly. No books are banned. Anyone can buy them on their own dime. Many of the books are donated and parents are voicing their opinions that just because it was given to the school, it doesn't necessarily need to be placed in the library.

Lastly, the Bible is by far the most "banned" book out there.

Louisiana now, Oklahoma considering it (and worse), Texas and other states earlier in the process.

There is a difference between a teacher voluntarily displaying a pride flag (freedom) and being forced to display the 10 commandments (not freedom).


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Wait. How exactly did we magically switch from books to flags?

[UNI88]

Louisiana now, Oklahoma considering it (and worse), Texas and other states earlier in the process.

There is a difference between a teacher voluntarily displaying a pride flag (freedom) and being forced to display the 10 commandments (not freedom).

Wait. How exactly did we magically switch from books to flags?

I’m sorry this is too nuanced for you …

How is the 10 commandments any different than a pride flag. Its not, so don't come back with separation of church and state. its just another propaganda flag

Do you want to denounce what they’re doing in Louisiana, Oklahoma, etc. or will you be an arsonist of religious oppression?


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[BDKJMU]

How is Griz complaining about big govt mandating private employees get a vaccine ‘big govt loving’? Sounds like he is big govt hating.

My interpretation was that SG was complaining about an employer mandate and wanting the government to step in and regulate employers to prevent it which is absolutely not a Republican position.


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Da fuq The Biden admin was the one that mandated private employees (companies over 100 employees) had to get the shot .That and between govt mandates for govt workers & contractors, tbat covered most employees. Only a small percentage of workwrs fell under a private employee only/no govt mandate.

[kalm]

My interpretation was that SG was complaining about an employer mandate and wanting the government to step in and regulate employers to prevent it which is absolutely not a Republican position.


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Da fuq The Biden admin was the one that mandated private employees (companies over 100 employees) had to get the shot .That and between govt mandates for govt workers & contractors, tbat covered most employees. Only a small percentage of workwrs fell under a private employee only/no govt mandate.

But the courts are also a part of big government and a check against regulation and also a facilitator of regulation.

[Caribbean Hen]

Do you look like the Wizard of Oz?

Get outside and take the yellow brick road and you will see yourself…

All bullshit

Caribbean Hen mad at the world. Make earballs hurt.

You Consistently show poor instincts

[kalm]

Caribbean Hen mad at the world. Make earballs hurt.

You Consistently show poor instincts

[SeattleGriz]

Wait. How exactly did we magically switch from books to flags?

I’m sorry this is too nuanced for you …

How is the 10 commandments any different than a pride flag. Its not, so don't come back with separation of church and state. its just another propaganda flag

Do you want to denounce what they’re doing in Louisiana, Oklahoma, etc. or will you be an arsonist of religious oppression?


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If by nuance you mean changing your story after getting your ass handed to you on your set of talking points, I'd still disagree.

You started off your rant with falsities.

[SeattleGriz]

How is Griz complaining about big govt mandating private employees get a vaccine ‘big govt loving’? Sounds like he is big govt hating.

My interpretation was that SG was complaining about an employer mandate and wanting the government to step in and regulate employers to prevent it which is absolutely not a Republican position.


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No. I was not advocating the government step in and cancel the mandate.

It never should have been put in place. The data was there for everyone to see how quickly the vaccines failed to prevent spread. At that point, it was over.

Remember me saying that you can't end a respiratory pandemic with a leaky vaccine?

[UNI88]

I’m sorry this is too nuanced for you …
Do you want to denounce what they’re doing in Louisiana, Oklahoma, etc. or will you be an arsonist of religious oppression?


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If by nuance you mean changing your story after getting your ass handed to you on your set of talking points, I'd still disagree.

You started off your rant with falsities.

So Louisiana didn’t pass a law requiring the 10 commandments be posted in classrooms. They weren’t specific about the size and which 10?

Oklahoma didn’t attempt to fund a religious charter school? The state superintendent hasn’t attempted to require schools incorporate the Bible into instruction?

Those are falsities?


The nuance was my addressing your and bobsquats posts in my one post. I’m sorry if that was beyond your capacity to comprehend.

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[kalm]

My interpretation was that SG was complaining about an employer mandate and wanting the government to step in and regulate employers to prevent it which is absolutely not a Republican position.


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No. I was not advocating the government step in and cancel the mandate.

It never should have been put in place. The data was there for everyone to see how quickly the vaccines failed to prevent spread. At that point, it was over.

Remember me saying that you can't end a respiratory pandemic with a leaky vaccine?

Vaccines at the very least reduce infection rates and symptoms. It’s rather obvious they reduce spread. It may not be enough to your liking or level of personal and community risk but it’s there.

[SeattleGriz]

No. I was not advocating the government step in and cancel the mandate.

It never should have been put in place. The data was there for everyone to see how quickly the vaccines failed to prevent spread. At that point, it was over.

Remember me saying that you can't end a respiratory pandemic with a leaky vaccine?

Vaccines at the very least reduce infection rates and symptoms. It’s rather obvious they reduce spread. It may not be enough to your liking or level of personal and community risk but it’s there.

For what time frame and what are the downstream effects? You're throwing out a generality with no facts for context. I keep pointing out you do this sort of argument all the time in this topic.

The vaccines helped spread for a small time frame and then due to selective pressure, the vaccinated became the targets.

Vaccines also introduce unneeded risk factors that outweigh any benefits for certain populations and this mRNA vaccine was highly problematic. Why would I introduce a modified rna structure encapsulated in PEG into my body that gave me no benefit? This is the part you don't grasp with vaccines. If I am at no risk, that vaccine better not cause any harm and we all know that was not the truth.

They've strongly correlated COVID vaccine roll outs with excess deaths. Had they not vaccinated the placebo arm after 20 weeks into the RCT unnecessarily, we'd have the data to know if it was a cause. Funny how that worked out to benefit pharma and not the public.

The COVID shot was not ready for prime time. I don't doubt they learned a lot and future versions will be much better, but this vaccine was a mauler.

[kalm]

Vaccines at the very least reduce infection rates and symptoms. It’s rather obvious they reduce spread. It may not be enough to your liking or level of personal and community risk but it’s there.

For what time frame and what are the downstream effects? You're throwing out a generality with no facts for context. I keep pointing out you do this sort of argument all the time in this topic.

The vaccines helped spread for a small time frame and then due to selective pressure, the vaccinated became the targets.

Vaccines also introduce unneeded risk factors that outweigh any benefits for certain populations and this mRNA vaccine was highly problematic. Why would I introduce a modified rna structure encapsulated in PEG into my body that gave me no benefit? This is the part you don't grasp with vaccines. If I am at no risk, that vaccine better not cause any harm and we all know that was not the truth.

They've strongly correlated COVID vaccine roll outs with excess deaths. Had they not vaccinated the placebo arm after 20 weeks into the RCT unnecessarily, we'd have the data to know if it was a cause. Funny how that worked out to benefit pharma and not the public.

The COVID shot was not ready for prime time. I don't doubt they learned a lot and future versions will be much better, but this vaccine was a mauler.

It’s really quite simple as I said from the start. There are experts spanning multiple fields that know more than you and I. That’s who I rely upon. You’re on an endless mission to disprove everything. It’s similar to why you lost the climate change debate.

In other positive news, vaccines are showing to reduce the rate of long covid.

[SeattleGriz]

For what time frame and what are the downstream effects? You're throwing out a generality with no facts for context. I keep pointing out you do this sort of argument all the time in this topic.

The vaccines helped spread for a small time frame and then due to selective pressure, the vaccinated became the targets.

Vaccines also introduce unneeded risk factors that outweigh any benefits for certain populations and this mRNA vaccine was highly problematic. Why would I introduce a modified rna structure encapsulated in PEG into my body that gave me no benefit? This is the part you don't grasp with vaccines. If I am at no risk, that vaccine better not cause any harm and we all know that was not the truth.

They've strongly correlated COVID vaccine roll outs with excess deaths. Had they not vaccinated the placebo arm after 20 weeks into the RCT unnecessarily, we'd have the data to know if it was a cause. Funny how that worked out to benefit pharma and not the public.

The COVID shot was not ready for prime time. I don't doubt they learned a lot and future versions will be much better, but this vaccine was a mauler.

It’s really quite simple as I said from the start. There are experts spanning multiple fields that know more than you and I. That’s who I rely upon. You’re on an endless mission to disprove everything. It’s similar to why you lost the climate change debate.

In other positive news, vaccines are showing to reduce the rate of long covid.

Another uninformed appeal to authority.

Yes. Those same experts that said if you got the vaccine it would prevent you from getting COVID until you did.
Then you wouldn't spread it.
Then you wouldn't go to the hospital.
Then you wouldn't die.
It will stay localized.
It will be gone immediately.
It won't affect sperm or menses.

You've been lied to the whole time, but still parrot what you don't even understand.

Can you point me to the long term studies on this vaccine? There aren't any.

[kalm]

It’s really quite simple as I said from the start. There are experts spanning multiple fields that know more than you and I. That’s who I rely upon. You’re on an endless mission to disprove everything. It’s similar to why you lost the climate change debate.

In other positive news, vaccines are showing to reduce the rate of long covid.

Another uninformed appeal to authority.

Yes. Those same experts that said if you got the vaccine it would prevent you from getting COVID until you did.
Then you wouldn't spread it.
Then you wouldn't go to the hospital.
Then you wouldn't die.
It will stay localized.
It will be gone immediately.
It won't affect sperm or menses.

You've been lied to the whole time, but still parrot what you don't even understand.

Can you point me to the long term studies on this vaccine? There aren't any.

Yawn.

You’re once again confusing true experts with an “appeal to authority”. It’s one of your trolling schticks.

My buddy who’s a damn good mechanic could research and attempt to repair the torque tube bearings on the Porsche 928 we’re restoring by removing the exhaust system, rear suspension, transmission and Torque Tube, and servicing the TT bearings. But Weissach transmissions are complicated and it’s a job. So we’ll take to our certified Porsche repair shop for that particular work. Or, as you call it, appeal to their authority.

I have a sound understanding of a liver disease diet but I still sometimes appeal to the authority of my nutritionist to help with dietary micro-nutrients vs the crap shoot and potential dangerous use of supplements.

As certified golf instructors , we’d occasionally give lessons to decent players who didn’t really want help but thought they were good enough and had the urge to ‘splain how the golf swing works to an expert. They were often laughably incorrect and were really just paying me to NOT appeal to my authority.

Your reliance on insults and angry attacks reminds me of the last example. As ‘Ol Bill Shakespeare put it…

"Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow

Creeps in this petty pace from day to day

life "is a tale told by an idiot,

full of sound and fury

signifying nothing"







Skepticism is healthy when applied reasonably.

[SeattleGriz]

Another uninformed appeal to authority.

Yes. Those same experts that said if you got the vaccine it would prevent you from getting COVID until you did.
Then you wouldn't spread it.
Then you wouldn't go to the hospital.
Then you wouldn't die.
It will stay localized.
It will be gone immediately.
It won't affect sperm or menses.

You've been lied to the whole time, but still parrot what you don't even understand.

Can you point me to the long term studies on this vaccine? There aren't any.

Yawn.

You’re once again confusing true experts with an “appeal to authority”. It’s one of your trolling schticks.

My buddy who’s a damn good mechanic could research and attempt to repair the torque tube bearings on the Porsche 928 we’re restoring by removing the exhaust system, rear suspension, transmission and Torque Tube, and servicing the TT bearings. But Weissach transmissions are complicated and it’s a job. So we’ll take to our certified Porsche repair shop for that particular work. Or, as you call it, appeal to their authority.

I have a sound understanding of a liver disease diet but I still sometimes appeal to the authority of my nutritionist to help with dietary micro-nutrients vs the crap shoot and potential dangerous use of supplements.

As certified golf instructors , we’d occasionally give lessons to decent players who didn’t really want help but thought they were good enough and had the urge to ‘splain how the golf swing works to an expert. They were often laughably incorrect and were really just paying me to NOT appeal to my authority.

Your reliance on insults and angry attacks reminds me of the last example. As ‘Ol Bill Shakespeare put it…

"Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow

Creeps in this petty pace from day to day

life "is a tale told by an idiot,

full of sound and fury

signifying nothing"







Skepticism is healthy when applied reasonably.

You wouldn't know a true expert if it bit you in the ass. You couldn't even address the fact your "true experts" were wrong. There were actually true experts that called all this out, were correct and got censored.

Why won't your "experts" release all the data? They are still refusing to release patient level data.

You've allowed academia to usurp real science and don't know any better. This is why your science attempts are always appeals to authority. You don't have the basic understanding, so you always rely on your confirmation bias. Same thing with global warming.

[kalm]

Yawn.

You’re once again confusing true experts with an “appeal to authority”. It’s one of your trolling schticks.

My buddy who’s a damn good mechanic could research and attempt to repair the torque tube bearings on the Porsche 928 we’re restoring by removing the exhaust system, rear suspension, transmission and Torque Tube, and servicing the TT bearings. But Weissach transmissions are complicated and it’s a job. So we’ll take to our certified Porsche repair shop for that particular work. Or, as you call it, appeal to their authority.

I have a sound understanding of a liver disease diet but I still sometimes appeal to the authority of my nutritionist to help with dietary micro-nutrients vs the crap shoot and potential dangerous use of supplements.

As certified golf instructors , we’d occasionally give lessons to decent players who didn’t really want help but thought they were good enough and had the urge to ‘splain how the golf swing works to an expert. They were often laughably incorrect and were really just paying me to NOT appeal to my authority.

Your reliance on insults and angry attacks reminds me of the last example. As ‘Ol Bill Shakespeare put it…

"Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow

Creeps in this petty pace from day to day

life "is a tale told by an idiot,

full of sound and fury

signifying nothing"







Skepticism is healthy when applied reasonably.

You wouldn't know a true expert if it bit you in the ass. You couldn't even address the fact your "true experts" were wrong. There were actually true experts that called all this out, were correct and got censored.

Why won't your "experts" release all the data? They are still refusing to release patient level data.

You've allowed academia to usurp real science and don't know any better. This is why your science attempts are always appeals to authority. You don't have the basic understanding, so you always rely on your confirmation bias. Same thing with global warming.

The sound and the fury

Signifying nothing

[Caribbean Hen]

Yawn.

You’re once again confusing true experts with an “appeal to authority”. It’s one of your trolling schticks.

My buddy who’s a damn good mechanic could research and attempt to repair the torque tube bearings on the Porsche 928 we’re restoring by removing the exhaust system, rear suspension, transmission and Torque Tube, and servicing the TT bearings. But Weissach transmissions are complicated and it’s a job. So we’ll take to our certified Porsche repair shop for that particular work. Or, as you call it, appeal to their authority.

I have a sound understanding of a liver disease diet but I still sometimes appeal to the authority of my nutritionist to help with dietary micro-nutrients vs the crap shoot and potential dangerous use of supplements.

As certified golf instructors , we’d occasionally give lessons to decent players who didn’t really want help but thought they were good enough and had the urge to ‘splain how the golf swing works to an expert. They were often laughably incorrect and were really just paying me to NOT appeal to my authority.

Your reliance on insults and angry attacks reminds me of the last example. As ‘Ol Bill Shakespeare put it…

"Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow

Creeps in this petty pace from day to day

life "is a tale told by an idiot,

full of sound and fury

signifying nothing"







Skepticism is healthy when applied reasonably.

You wouldn't know a true expert if it bit you in the ass. You couldn't even address the fact your "true experts" were wrong. There were actually true experts that called all this out, were correct and got censored.

Why won't your "experts" release all the data? They are still refusing to release patient level data.

You've allowed academia to usurp real science and don't know any better. This is why your science attempts are always appeals to authority. You don't have the basic understanding, so you always rely on your confirmation bias. Same thing with global warming.

None of Kalmelas experts have even made it to this point….

“It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.”

Thomas Sowell