January 6 - How much do you care?

[BDKJMU]

Lol

The same Ray Epps that was telling everyone they needed to march to the Capitol and enter the building, to which everyone in the crowd said, "No!" and then chanted "Fed. Fed. Fed!"?

If he isn't an FBI informant, he's full of shit.

Yep. (Questions on Epps start about 50 seconds in)

[kalm]

The same Ray Epps that was telling everyone they needed to march to the Capitol and enter the building, to which everyone in the crowd said, "No!" and then chanted "Fed. Fed. Fed!"?

If he isn't an FBI informant, he's full of shit.

Yep. (Questions on Epps start about 50 seconds in)

That settles it then! We clearly need a 2nd Jan 6 commission to investigate the 1st as well as the planned FBI insurrection that was simultaneously taking place! Maybe even two commissions to tackle each independently!

[kalm]

The real insurrectionists:

[kalm]

Running out of excuses…

“A sitting president asking for civil war.”

That was one unflinching verdict on President Donald Trump’s actions on January 6, 2021. But this observer wasn’t some hyperbolic Democrat or incorrigible Never Trumper or even a Trump-tepid member of the Republican establishment. It was Brad Parscale, who had been one of the president’s closest advisers: the man behind Trump’s acclaimed digital campaign in 2016, and then his campaign manager from 2018 until summer 2020.

Like many Americans, Parscale had had enough when he watched a mob storming the U.S. Capitol. That evening, he was exchanging texts with Katrina Pierson, a fellow veteran of the 2016 Trump team, when he invoked the specter of civil war. “This week I feel guilty for helping him win,” he told her. Pierson tried to reassure him: “You did what you felt right at the time and therefore it was right.”

Parscale wasn’t having it. He noted (apparently referring to the protester Ashli Babbitt) that someone had died, and wrote, “If I was trump and knew my rhetoric killed someone.” Pierson demurred: “It wasn’t the rhetoric.” But he was insistent.

“Katrina.”

“Yes it was”

Those text messages were revealed yesterday during the latest hearing of the House committee investigating Trump’s attempt to steal the 2020 election, and they show one reason the panel has been surprisingly effective, better at both surfacing new information and presenting it to the public than I had expected: The committee has so often let the most damning things come from Trump’s own closest aides. (Don’t miss my colleague Russell Berman’s excellent summary of the hearing.) And though that won’t convince everyone, some evidence shows it’s starting to corrode Trump’s standing. A new poll, for example, finds that nearly half of Republican primary voters want a different nominee for president in 2024.

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters ... rs/670518/

[AZGrizFan]

Running out of excuses…

“A sitting president asking for civil war.”

That was one unflinching verdict on President Donald Trump’s actions on January 6, 2021. But this observer wasn’t some hyperbolic Democrat or incorrigible Never Trumper or even a Trump-tepid member of the Republican establishment. It was Brad Parscale, who had been one of the president’s closest advisers: the man behind Trump’s acclaimed digital campaign in 2016, and then his campaign manager from 2018 until summer 2020.

Like many Americans, Parscale had had enough when he watched a mob storming the U.S. Capitol. That evening, he was exchanging texts with Katrina Pierson, a fellow veteran of the 2016 Trump team, when he invoked the specter of civil war. “This week I feel guilty for helping him win,” he told her. Pierson tried to reassure him: “You did what you felt right at the time and therefore it was right.”

Parscale wasn’t having it. He noted (apparently referring to the protester Ashli Babbitt) that someone had died, and wrote, “If I was trump and knew my rhetoric killed someone.” Pierson demurred: “It wasn’t the rhetoric.” But he was insistent.

“Katrina.”

“Yes it was”

Those text messages were revealed yesterday during the latest hearing of the House committee investigating Trump’s attempt to steal the 2020 election, and they show one reason the panel has been surprisingly effective, better at both surfacing new information and presenting it to the public than I had expected: The committee has so often let the most damning things come from Trump’s own closest aides. (Don’t miss my colleague Russell Berman’s excellent summary of the hearing.) And though that won’t convince everyone, some evidence shows it’s starting to corrode Trump’s standing. A new poll, for example, finds that nearly half of Republican primary voters want a different nominee for president in 2024.

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters ... rs/670518/

Oh. Well then. I guess it’s settled. Brad Parscale thinks it was a civil war attempt.

Case closed.

[UNI88]

Running out of excuses…
https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters ... rs/670518/

Oh. Well then. I guess it’s settled. Brad Parscale thinks it was a civil war attempt.

Case closed.

He is more credible than Tucker or trump.

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[kalm]

[SeattleGriz]

Strzok criticizing anything is golden!

[kalm]

Strzok criticizing anything is golden!

So you deny that the meeting happened of those who participated weren’t Russia friendly?

(I mean there are kind of some receipts for all of this)

[houndawg]

Strzok criticizing anything is golden!

especially when he's right

[SeattleGriz]

Strzok criticizing anything is golden!

So you deny that the meeting happened of those who participated weren’t Russia friendly?

(I mean there are kind of some receipts for all of this)

Oh it happened, and I actually commented on the meeting well over a year ago in the 2020 election thread. Byrne wrote about it quite extensively.

From Feb 2021. All about his meeting.

https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/02/how ... cember-18/

Summary. Guliani was more concerned about his booze and dinner. In way over his head. Cippoline was a total asshole and Trump turned down their proposals.

But for Strzok to comment on anything after his role in the whole Russia collusion issue is quite rich.

[kalm]

So you deny that the meeting happened of those who participated weren’t Russia friendly?

(I mean there are kind of some receipts for all of this)

Oh it happened, and I actually commented on the meeting well over a year ago in the 2020 election thread. Byrne wrote about it quite extensively.

From Feb 2021. All about his meeting.

https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/02/how ... cember-18/

Summary. Guliani was more concerned about his booze and dinner. In way over his head. Cippoline was a total asshole and Trump turned down their proposals.

But for Strzok to comment on anything after his role in the whole Russia collusion issue is quite rich.

I’m not sure we’re looking at the same hearings.

[SeattleGriz]

Oh it happened, and I actually commented on the meeting well over a year ago in the 2020 election thread. Byrne wrote about it quite extensively.

From Feb 2021. All about his meeting.

https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/02/how ... cember-18/

Summary. Guliani was more concerned about his booze and dinner. In way over his head. Cippoline was a total asshole and Trump turned down their proposals.

But for Strzok to comment on anything after his role in the whole Russia collusion issue is quite rich.

I’m not sure we’re looking at the same hearings.

Yes we are, but I incorrectly inserted Guliani previously. Both are talking about the Dec 18th meeting. Byrne actually wrote six articles on the whole 2020 post election efforts on how he was involved and what happened. He's even saying today that it was his idea and not Trump's to have used National Guardsman. Trump listened to Cippolone and turned them down.

It was the other articles in which Byrne slams Guliani for only caring about drinking, eating at nice places and his radio show. Essentially saying he was a detriment to Trump. In way over his head.

[kalm]

[houndawg]

Tertiary syphilis...

[SeattleGriz]

Did they convict Trump yet?

I heard he had Russian hookers pee on fake ballots and pictures of Obama smoking.

[houndawg]

Did they convict Trump yet?

I heard he had Russian hookers pee on fake ballots and pictures of Obama smoking.

I heard that they took turns peeing as the other ones held his gut still while he fapped.

[kalm]

And poof! Oops! We lost the records and can’t retrieve them even though cyber forensics is our jam.

Why did Pence refuse to get in the car? Why hasn’t Ornato testified under oath to rebuke Hutchinson’s hearsay? (Ornato got a nice promotion right as this was all going down.)

“Reeks of leftover ass” indeed.

[houndawg]

I could hear that BDPSHT was trying to disguise his voice but Z sounds about like I thought he would

[GannonFan]

I could hear that BDPSHT was trying to disguise his voice but Z sounds about like I thought he would

Outcome of zealotry and extreme partisanship. No one wants to work with anyone any longer. Compromise is considered weakness. Both sides are convinced the other side is the embodiment of evil. Calmer heads in leadership would be great right now, but we appear to be bereft of real leaders. Everyone talks in generalities and slogans because talking in details is too hard. We'll get out of this eventually, but it may still be a while.

[houndawg]

I could hear that BDPSHT was trying to disguise his voice but Z sounds about like I thought he would

Outcome of zealotry and extreme partisanship. No one wants to work with anyone any longer. Compromise is considered weakness. Both sides are convinced the other side is the embodiment of evil. Calmer heads in leadership would be great right now, but we appear to be bereft of real leaders. Everyone talks in generalities and slogans because talking in details is too hard. We'll get out of this eventually, but it may still be a while.

...the base that Republicans are fighting to represent and exactly who LBJ was talking about when he said that if you can convince the lowest white man that he is higher than the highest black man, he will empty his pockets for you...

Independent ticket for '24: Cheney/Sanders

[kalm]

I could hear that BDPSHT was trying to disguise his voice but Z sounds about like I thought he would

Outcome of zealotry and extreme partisanship. No one wants to work with anyone any longer. Compromise is considered weakness. Both sides are convinced the other side is the embodiment of evil. Calmer heads in leadership would be great right now, but we appear to be bereft of real leaders. Everyone talks in generalities and slogans because talking in details is too hard. We'll get out of this eventually, but it may still be a while.

[GannonFan]

Outcome of zealotry and extreme partisanship. No one wants to work with anyone any longer. Compromise is considered weakness. Both sides are convinced the other side is the embodiment of evil. Calmer heads in leadership would be great right now, but we appear to be bereft of real leaders. Everyone talks in generalities and slogans because talking in details is too hard. We'll get out of this eventually, but it may still be a while.

...the base that Republicans are fighting to represent and exactly who LBJ was talking about when he said that if you can convince the lowest white man that he is higher than the highest black man, he will empty his pockets for you...

Independent ticket for '24: Cheney/Sanders

Our problems, our real big problems, transcend race and racial politics. And Sanders is a fool, and he's spent most of his political career pouring gasoline on others trying to solve the problems that we have. He's far from the calmer head for leadership I was talking about. And no way he goes second place on a ticket - he'll run for the Dems again and take whatever they give him again to leave the race and moderately support whomever they decide to run. And Liz Cheyney is a lightweight - her opposition to Trump (not his policies, but the person) is admirable, but she hasn't really come across as someone I'd get behind to be the leader of the whole nation. She's an above average Congressperson, and she's likely to be looking for a job as the Wyoming GOP has made it clear she's not getting re-elected, but being Dick Cheney's daughter and a 3x time member of Congress hasn't shown enough to me yet.

[UNI88]

Bipartisan U.S. Senate group introduces bill intended to head off another Jan. 6

A bipartisan group of U.S. senators introduced two bills on Wednesday to reform election laws, seeking to block a repeat of then-President Donald Trump's failed attempt to overturn his 2020 election loss to Democratic President Joe Biden.

The legislation, among other things, would make clear that the vice president has only a ceremonial role in certifying election results, after a mob of Trump supporters on Jan. 6, 2021, stormed the U.S. Capitol in a bid to force then-Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the election result.
...
Introduced by the group led by Democratic Senator Joe Manchin and Republican Senator Susan Collins, the two bills address a range of issues, from the handling of election results and presidential transitions to mail-in ballots, election record security and threats against election workers.

2 Thoughts ...
1) Holy Sh!t, there are adults in Washington.
2) If January 6 weren't a big deal then this legislation wouldn't be needed and wouldn't have gotten bipartisan support.

Please no "but the AnTiFa riots", those were a big deal too and should have been handled as attacks on our Republic as well.

[AZGrizFan]

Bipartisan U.S. Senate group introduces bill intended to head off another Jan. 6

A bipartisan group of U.S. senators introduced two bills on Wednesday to reform election laws, seeking to block a repeat of then-President Donald Trump's failed attempt to overturn his 2020 election loss to Democratic President Joe Biden.

The legislation, among other things, would make clear that the vice president has only a ceremonial role in certifying election results, after a mob of Trump supporters on Jan. 6, 2021, stormed the U.S. Capitol in a bid to force then-Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the election result.
...
Introduced by the group led by Democratic Senator Joe Manchin and Republican Senator Susan Collins, the two bills address a range of issues, from the handling of election results and presidential transitions to mail-in ballots, election record security and threats against election workers.

2 Thoughts ...
1) Holy Sh!t, there are adults in Washington.
2) If January 6 weren't a big deal then this legislation wouldn't be needed and wouldn't have gotten bipartisan support.

Please no "but the AnTiFa riots", those were a big deal too and should have been handled as attacks on our Republic as well.

Please. The only reason this legislation exists is it’s the swamp protecting their swamp.