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[SeattleGriz]

Your TDS has now turned into SeattleGriz Derangement Syndrome, Mr One Trick Pony.

Ganny reminds of the engineers I work with. Gotta be an engineer.

I'll wait and let Ganny speak for himself. You keep raging against the establishment and their persecution of donald.

So you admit it!!

[BDKJMU]

1st close to 77 years of Trump‘s life, zero criminal indictments. Then 4 in 4 months, right when he‘s running for president, all scheduled to take place in the election year. What an amazing coincidence.

Is it possible that trump used his position as a member of the entitled establishment to avoid criminal charges for most of his life and that he finally went too far and officials couldn't look the other way?

January 6 happened and while I agree with Ganny that it didn't really stand a chance of succeeding, it was still an attempt to prevent the lawful transfer of power. It was definitely unpatriotic and un-American and at a minimum it was sedition. He deserves to be investigated and charged for inciting it.

It's pretty clear that there was an attempt to put fake Electors in place and from what I've read, trump's administration was involved in the attempt. It was also unpatriotic and un-American. He deserves to be investigated and charged his role in the attempt(s).

He kept classified documents, hid them, said he returned them, obstructed attempts to retrieve them.

As Ganny also says, the New York indictment is the weakest and is really the only one you could make a case for being a witch hunt. The others are all because of trump's words and actions. He brought the indictments for the first 3 on himself but he's too big of a whiny baby to act like a man and take responsibility.

Lol they’re all witch hunts.

Fl case: Charged over the storage of paper, most of which were addressed to Trump. A process crime. Far less than what Hillary did. A political witch hunt. And Trump won’t be found guilty.

As far as DC and GA they’re using novel legal theory to try to persecute Trump. Both political witch hunts. You can’t convict someone for believing an election was stolen, believing a legal theory, and legally challenging the results, which includes alternate elctors, even if that belief and theory is ruled against in the courts. When you’re engaging in free speech you’re not engaing in fraud on the govt. If what Trump was doing was illegal with alternate electors, then why did Congress have to change the law regarding electors?

Of course in DC, the only one of those 2 cases that has a chance of happening before the election, with the Trump hating lib judge and most lib jury pool in the country that if tried before the election would get a conviction, as you could convict Trump in DC of drowning puppies or killing Kennedy, but it will be overturned by SCOUTUS, and Smith knows it.

As far as GA, Fanni Willis, daughter of a radical Black Panther leader has shown herself to be a political hack by her tweet history. That case isn’t happening before the election. Trump won’t be convicted if its moved to Fed court (jury pool would include solid red north GA). If it stays in deep blue Fulton County, we’ll see.

[SeattleGriz]

Is it possible that trump used his position as a member of the entitled establishment to avoid criminal charges for most of his life and that he finally went too far and officials couldn't look the other way?

January 6 happened and while I agree with Ganny that it didn't really stand a chance of succeeding, it was still an attempt to prevent the lawful transfer of power. It was definitely unpatriotic and un-American and at a minimum it was sedition. He deserves to be investigated and charged for inciting it.

It's pretty clear that there was an attempt to put fake Electors in place and from what I've read, trump's administration was involved in the attempt. It was also unpatriotic and un-American. He deserves to be investigated and charged his role in the attempt(s).

He kept classified documents, hid them, said he returned them, obstructed attempts to retrieve them.

As Ganny also says, the New York indictment is the weakest and is really the only one you could make a case for being a witch hunt. The others are all because of trump's words and actions. He brought the indictments for the first 3 on himself but he's too big of a whiny baby to act like a man and take responsibility.

Lol they’re all witch hunts.

Fl case: Charged over the storage of paper, most of which were addressed to Trump. A process crime. Far less than what Hillary did. A political witch hunt.

As far as DC and GA they’re using novel legal theory to try to persecute Trump. Both political witch hunts. You can’t convict someone for believing an election was stolen, believing a legal theory, and legally challenging the results, which includes alternate elctors, even if that belief and theory is ruled against in the courts. When you’re engaging in free speech you’re not engaing in fraud on the govt. If what Trump was doing was illegal with alternate electors, then why did Congress have to change the law regarding electors?

Of course in DC, the only one of those 2 cases that has a chance of happening before the election, with the Trump hating lib judge and most lib jury pool in the country that if tried before the election would get a conviction, as you could convict Trump in DC of drowning puppies or killing Kennedy, but it will be overturned by SCOUTUS, and Smith knows it.

As far as GA, Fanni Willis, daughter of a radical Black Panther leader has shown herself to be a political hack by her tweet history. That case isn’t happening before the election. Trump won’t be convicted if its moved to Fed court (jury pool would include solid red north GA). If it stays in deep blue Fulton County, we’ll see.

Game, set, match. Oof!

[UNI88]

Is it possible that trump used his position as a member of the entitled establishment to avoid criminal charges for most of his life and that he finally went too far and officials couldn't look the other way?

January 6 happened and while I agree with Ganny that it didn't really stand a chance of succeeding, it was still an attempt to prevent the lawful transfer of power. It was definitely unpatriotic and un-American and at a minimum it was sedition. He deserves to be investigated and charged for inciting it.

It's pretty clear that there was an attempt to put fake Electors in place and from what I've read, trump's administration was involved in the attempt. It was also unpatriotic and un-American. He deserves to be investigated and charged his role in the attempt(s).

He kept classified documents, hid them, said he returned them, obstructed attempts to retrieve them.

As Ganny also says, the New York indictment is the weakest and is really the only one you could make a case for being a witch hunt. The others are all because of trump's words and actions. He brought the indictments for the first 3 on himself but he's too big of a whiny baby to act like a man and take responsibility.

Lol they’re all witch hunts.

Fl case: Charged over the storage of paper, most of which were addressed to Trump. A process crime. Far less than what Hillary did. A political witch hunt. And Trump won’t be found guilty.

As far as DC and GA they’re using novel legal theory to try to persecute Trump. Both political witch hunts. You can’t convict someone for believing an election was stolen, believing a legal theory, and legally challenging the results, which includes alternate elctors, even if that belief and theory is ruled against in the courts. When you’re engaging in free speech you’re not engaing in fraud on the govt. If what Trump was doing was illegal with alternate electors, then why did Congress have to change the law regarding electors?

Of course in DC, the only one of those 2 cases that has a chance of happening before the election, with the Trump hating lib judge and most lib jury pool in the country that if tried before the election would get a conviction, as you could convict Trump in DC of drowning puppies or killing Kennedy, but it will be overturned by SCOUTUS, and Smith knows it.

As far as GA, Fanni Willis, daughter of a radical Black Panther leader has shown herself to be a political hack by her tweet history. That case isn’t happening before the election. Trump won’t be convicted if its moved to Fed court (jury pool would include solid red north GA). If it stays in deep blue Fulton County, we’ll see.

They’re as much of a witch hunt as Jordan, Comer, et alls pursuit of Hunter and Joe.

Maybe they’re using novel legal theories because no one has tried something as seditious as these actions in a long, long time.

Aren’t Electors chosen by the state? Attempting to replace duly chosen electors is a fraudulent con job.

trump came up empty in ever attempt to challenge the election results many of them before conservative judges.

trump is a sore loser. Maybe you should get your info from a reputable source rather than a MAGAt yahoo echo chamber and you’d be able to see trump for the grifter he is.


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[SeattleGriz]

AG Paxton impeachment. The guys pushing this impeachment are aligned with the Bush family and are the ones backing DeSantis. This is why people have been skeptical of DeSantis.

[Caribbean Hen]

Lol they’re all witch hunts.

Fl case: Charged over the storage of paper, most of which were addressed to Trump. A process crime. Far less than what Hillary did. A political witch hunt. And Trump won’t be found guilty.

As far as DC and GA they’re using novel legal theory to try to persecute Trump. Both political witch hunts. You can’t convict someone for believing an election was stolen, believing a legal theory, and legally challenging the results, which includes alternate elctors, even if that belief and theory is ruled against in the courts. When you’re engaging in free speech you’re not engaing in fraud on the govt. If what Trump was doing was illegal with alternate electors, then why did Congress have to change the law regarding electors?

Of course in DC, the only one of those 2 cases that has a chance of happening before the election, with the Trump hating lib judge and most lib jury pool in the country that if tried before the election would get a conviction, as you could convict Trump in DC of drowning puppies or killing Kennedy, but it will be overturned by SCOUTUS, and Smith knows it.

As far as GA, Fanni Willis, daughter of a radical Black Panther leader has shown herself to be a political hack by her tweet history. That case isn’t happening before the election. Trump won’t be convicted if its moved to Fed court (jury pool would include solid red north GA). If it stays in deep blue Fulton County, we’ll see.

They’re as much of a witch hunt as Jordan, Comer, et alls pursuit of Hunter and Joe.
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In the words of Johnny McEnroe, “you cannot be serious”

O M G you’re not able to see the difference?

[GannonFan]

Is it possible that trump used his position as a member of the entitled establishment to avoid criminal charges for most of his life and that he finally went too far and officials couldn't look the other way?

January 6 happened and while I agree with Ganny that it didn't really stand a chance of succeeding, it was still an attempt to prevent the lawful transfer of power. It was definitely unpatriotic and un-American and at a minimum it was sedition. He deserves to be investigated and charged for inciting it.

It's pretty clear that there was an attempt to put fake Electors in place and from what I've read, trump's administration was involved in the attempt. It was also unpatriotic and un-American. He deserves to be investigated and charged his role in the attempt(s).

He kept classified documents, hid them, said he returned them, obstructed attempts to retrieve them.

As Ganny also says, the New York indictment is the weakest and is really the only one you could make a case for being a witch hunt. The others are all because of trump's words and actions. He brought the indictments for the first 3 on himself but he's too big of a whiny baby to act like a man and take responsibility.

Ganny also believes Biden is as pure as the driven snow, but was bamboozled by Hunter.

Huh? Where have I ever said that? Gonna need quotes to back that one up.

I'm sure Biden knew at least some of the shady stuff Hunter was doing - it would be impossible for him not to know it, and if by some miracle he didn't know it, then that speaks even more critically of Biden's diminished mental state than anything else. Biden's a 50 year political insider, with a track record of some questionable/concerning things (i.e. plagiarism, opposition to busing, sexist behaviour during Thomas nomination, etc). No one could ever credibly believe he's as pure as the driven snow.

[GannonFan]

Fl case: Charged over the storage of paper, most of which were addressed to Trump. A process crime. Far less than what Hillary did. A political witch hunt. And Trump won’t be found guilty.

It's not just about the storage of paper, it's about the refusal and obfuscation to return the papers when it was clear he shouldn't have them. No one else has been prosecuted for this because they've never tried to hide and keep similar documents once they've been told they need to be returned. This was a self-inflicted injury on Trump's part. Whether it's a felony or not is probably the real decision. I think he's guilty as heck on this one, but I wouldn't put him in jail for it either.

[BDKJMU]

Karma: Lib donk Minneapolis politician who in 2020 called for the dismantling of the Minneapolis police dept gets violently carjacked in her Minneapolis driveway (It sucks her kids had to witness that)..
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09 ... e-n2163553

[UNI88]

They’re as much of a witch hunt as Jordan, Comer, et alls pursuit of Hunter and Joe.
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In the words of Johnny McEnroe, “you cannot be serious”

O M G you’re not able to see the difference?

By the difference do you mean that Biden hasn’t intentionally fomented a seditious riot and tried to stop the lawful transfer of power?

Anyone arguing that trump is the victim of a witch hunt but Biden is a traitor with a “crime family” has lost touch with reality.


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[kalm]

In the words of Johnny McEnroe, “you cannot be serious”

O M G you’re not able to see the difference?

By the difference do you mean that Biden hasn’t intentionally fomented a seditious riot and tried to stop the lawful transfer of power?

Anyone arguing that trump is the victim of a witch hunt but Biden is a traitor with a “crime family” has lost touch with reality.


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Checks notes…

Around 76 million of them?

[Caribbean Hen]

In the words of Johnny McEnroe, “you cannot be serious”

O M G you’re not able to see the difference?

By the difference do you mean that Biden hasn’t intentionally fomented a seditious riot and tried to stop the lawful transfer of power?

Anyone arguing that trump is the victim of a witch hunt but Biden is a traitor with a “crime family” has lost touch with reality.


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Exactly what the Dems wanted to happen

Just look at you

[UNI88]

By the difference do you mean that Biden hasn’t intentionally fomented a seditious riot and tried to stop the lawful transfer of power?

Anyone arguing that trump is the victim of a witch hunt but Biden is a traitor with a “crime family” has lost touch with reality.


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Exactly what the Dems wanted to happen

Just look at me

Are you running low on tinfoil?

[SeattleGriz]

Sean Hannity

[SeattleGriz]

Ganny also believes Biden is as pure as the driven snow, but was bamboozled by Hunter.

Huh? Where have I ever said that? Gonna need quotes to back that one up.

I'm sure Biden knew at least some of the shady stuff Hunter was doing - it would be impossible for him not to know it, and if by some miracle he didn't know it, then that speaks even more critically of Biden's diminished mental state than anything else. Biden's a 50 year political insider, with a track record of some questionable/concerning things (i.e. plagiarism, opposition to busing, sexist behaviour during Thomas nomination, etc). No one could ever credibly believe he's as pure as the driven snow.

This you from the Hunter thread?

I'm more and more in the camp that Joe's mental decline had been happening a lot earlier than we were led to believe. I honestly think Hunter started using his dad has a prop for these really shady deals - call him up on the phone, get him to answer and say hi to everyone, and then hang up on dad so that he could get around to being paid handsomely for the access.

[Caribbean Hen]

Exactly what the Dems wanted to happen

Just look at me

Are you running low on tinfoil?

Your instincts are poor

Why wasn’t it halted? Why wasn’t it stopped?

Because the truth is, they knew it was just a clown show. It was never gone to succeed in doing anything except embarrassing Themselves and the Democrats were smart enough to let it happen.

Big political win

[UNI88]

Are you running low on tinfoil?

Your instincts are poor

Why wasn’t it halted? Why wasn’t it stopped?

Because the truth is, they knew it was just a clown show. It was never gone to succeed in doing anything except embarrassing Themselves and the Democrats were smart enough to let it happen.

Big political win

So your argument is that it isn’t conservatives’ fault because the Democrats knew they were going to do something seditious and stupid and let them?

That’s the kind of logic I’d expect from a kindergartener.

If true, trump fell right into their trap and is too stupid to be President.

[Caribbean Hen]

Your instincts are poor

Why wasn’t it halted? Why wasn’t it stopped?

Because the truth is, they knew it was just a clown show. It was never gone to succeed in doing anything except embarrassing Themselves and the Democrats were smart enough to let it happen.

Big political win

So your argument is that it isn’t conservatives’ fault because the Democrats knew they were going to do something seditious and stupid and let them?

That’s the kind of logic I’d expect from a kindergartener.

If true, trump fell right into their trap and is too stupid to be President.

You are slowly starting to put things together

[SeattleGriz]

So your argument is that it isn’t conservatives’ fault because the Democrats knew they were going to do something seditious and stupid and let them?

That’s the kind of logic I’d expect from a kindergartener.

If true, trump fell right into their trap and is too stupid to be President.

You are slowly starting to put things together

Yep! It was well played by Pelosi and of course very fortuitous timing of events.

♦ Q1: How do you prevent congress from delaying the certification of state electoral votes?

A: It requires a crisis. A crisis that creates an “emergency” …An “emergency” that invokes special house rules.

FACTS: Remember carefully, focus please. Just moments, literally 3 minutes before two representatives issued a vote for motions to suspend the certification, the House members were “informed” by capitol police and other “agents” that a protest was about to breach the chambers. It was at this time that key people: Pence, Pelosi, Schumer, Mcconnell can be seen being walked out and escorted from the chamber. This effectively halted the Entire Chamber Process.

♦ Q2: Why was it necessary to halt the chamber process?

A: The crisis was created to eliminate the motion challenges to halt the certification and to begin voting to look into voting irregularities and fraud

FACTS: The two motions were completely legal and constitutional under at least two constitutionally recognized procedures… procedures that would REQUIRE the house to pause the certification and then vote to determine whether the motions of suspend could move forward.

♦ Q3: What was so important to refuse this motion and the subsequent votes to suspend the electoral certification?

A: It was important to remove that process entirely and continue the fraud and certify the fraud with no detractors on record. This effectively gives no standing for a SCOTUS ruling appeal! Understand this. If those two motions, even just one had successfully been voted EVEN IF THE MOTIONS were DENIED IN VOTE, this gives those who presented them with STANDING FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL LEGAL ARGUMENT BEFORE SCOTUS.

♦ Q4: Could this have been done some other way other than creating a crisis/protest?

A: Unlikely. In order to prevent those two motions, requires that speaker of the house, minority leaders, and the president of the congress (vice president of the United States: Pence), to NOT BE PRESENT IN THE CHAMBERS.

Once the capitol police and other “law enforcements agents” informed the speaker and these three other individuals, Pelosi UNILATERALLY UNDER EMERGENCY RULES, suspended the business of the congress. This protest was necessary. The crisis was created because there is no other way to suspend the business of certification UNILATERALLY. By creating a crisis invokes emergency procedures. No other circumstances other than war or mass simultaneous explosive diarrhea can create such unilateral speaker delivered suspension of the certification.

♦ Q5: Why did the motions, once that the speaker RECONVENED congress, move forward back again to the floor for votes? Why were members disallowed to even consider putting forward ANY motions to the floor in when the chamber business was reopened?

A: The Speaker initiated the NEW sessions under special emergency rules. These rules abandon and make it clear that the ONLY purpose of the new session was to EXPEDITE the certification and dismiss all prior regular session procedural rules. This is why those two motions to table votes to consider a debate and pause to the certifications of state vote electors never happened later that evening when the house business was reconvened!.

[UNI88]

So your argument is that it isn’t conservatives’ fault because the Democrats knew they were going to do something seditious and stupid and let them?

That’s the kind of logic I’d expect from a kindergartener.

If true, trump fell right into their trap and is too stupid to be President.

You are slowly starting to put things together

Slowly? I’ve known trump wasn’t qualified to be President since he blew managing the Covid crisis in 2020. January 6, the fraudulent slates of electors, arrogant stupidity with classified documents, etc. we’re just icing on the cake.

Millions of MAGAt yahoos still haven’t figured it out.


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[UNI88]

You are slowly starting to put things together

Yep! It was well played by Pelosi and of course very fortuitous timing of events.

Q1: How do you prevent congress from delaying the certification of state electoral votes?

A: It requires a crisis. A crisis that creates an “emergency” …An “emergency” that invokes special house rules.

FACTS: Remember carefully, focus please. Just moments, literally 3 minutes before two representatives issued a vote for motions to suspend the certification, the House members were “informed” by capitol police and other “agents” that a protest was about to breach the chambers. It was at this time that key people: Pence, Pelosi, Schumer, Mcconnell can be seen being walked out and escorted from the chamber. This effectively halted the Entire Chamber Process.

Q2: Why was it necessary to halt the chamber process?

A: The crisis was created to eliminate the motion challenges to halt the certification and to begin voting to look into voting irregularities and fraud

FACTS: The two motions were completely legal and constitutional under at least two constitutionally recognized procedures… procedures that would REQUIRE the house to pause the certification and then vote to determine whether the motions of suspend could move forward.

Q3: What was so important to refuse this motion and the subsequent votes to suspend the electoral certification?

A: It was important to remove that process entirely and continue the fraud and certify the fraud with no detractors on record. This effectively gives no standing for a SCOTUS ruling appeal! Understand this. If those two motions, even just one had successfully been voted EVEN IF THE MOTIONS were DENIED IN VOTE, this gives those who presented them with STANDING FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL LEGAL ARGUMENT BEFORE SCOTUS.

Q4: Could this have been done some other way other than creating a crisis/protest?

A: Unlikely. In order to prevent those two motions, requires that speaker of the house, minority leaders, and the president of the congress (vice president of the United States: Pence), to NOT BE PRESENT IN THE CHAMBERS.

Once the capitol police and other “law enforcements agents” informed the speaker and these three other individuals, Pelosi UNILATERALLY UNDER EMERGENCY RULES, suspended the business of the congress. This protest was necessary. The crisis was created because there is no other way to suspend the business of certification UNILATERALLY. By creating a crisis invokes emergency procedures. No other circumstances other than war or mass simultaneous explosive diarrhea can create such unilateral speaker delivered suspension of the certification.

Q5: Why did the motions, once that the speaker RECONVENED congress, move forward back again to the floor for votes? Why were members disallowed to even consider putting forward ANY motions to the floor in when the chamber business was reopened?

A: The Speaker initiated the NEW sessions under special emergency rules. These rules abandon and make it clear that the ONLY purpose of the new session was to EXPEDITE the certification and dismiss all prior regular session procedural rules. This is why those two motions to table votes to consider a debate and pause to the certifications of state vote electors never happened later that evening when the house business was reconvened!.

You quote all of that with no link?


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[SeattleGriz]

Yep! It was well played by Pelosi and of course very fortuitous timing of events.

You quote all of that with no link?


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It's a possible scenario, not proven, but does show a string of events that support the timeline.

In light of how Russia collusion and Ukraine impeachment played out, it's reasonable to believe Pelosi could have taken full advantage of that particular scenario.

Plus, you've wasted my time on links in the past, so to answer your question, "no".

[UNI88]

You quote all of that with no link?


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It's a possible scenario, not proven, but does show a string of events that support the timeline.

In light of how Russia collusion and Ukraine impeachment played out, it's reasonable to believe Pelosi could have taken full advantage of that particular scenario.

Plus, you've wasted my time on links in the past, so to answer your question, "no".

If I don’t know whether it was written by someone with a background in constitutional law or a tinfoil hat wearing, everyone’s out to get trump conspiracy theory whackadoodle then I’m not going to risk wasting my time reading it.


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[SeattleGriz]

It's a possible scenario, not proven, but does show a string of events that support the timeline.

In light of how Russia collusion and Ukraine impeachment played out, it's reasonable to believe Pelosi could have taken full advantage of that particular scenario.

Plus, you've wasted my time on links in the past, so to answer your question, "no".

If I don’t know whether it was written by someone with a background in constitutional law or a tinfoil hat wearing, everyone’s out to get trump conspiracy theory whackadoodle then I’m not going to risk wasting my time reading it.


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Of course. Just like how you dismissed the US Intelligence trained official who worked for the UN and NATO when he made the analogy of what happened in Ukraine in 2014, as he was commissioned to rebuild their military image.

I'm not playing the game you and Klamala play when you deny 2+2=4 simply due to ad hominem thinking.

[UNI88]

If I don’t know whether it was written by someone with a background in constitutional law or a tinfoil hat wearing, everyone’s out to get trump conspiracy theory whackadoodle then I’m not going to risk wasting my time reading it.


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Of course. Just like how you dismissed the US Intelligence trained official who worked for the UN and NATO when he made the analogy of what happened in Ukraine in 2014, as he was commissioned to rebuild their military image.

I'm not playing the game you and Klamala play when you deny 2+2=4 simply due to ad hominem thinking.

You mean that clown who compared Ukraine to Switzerland? He had foreign policy chops but that comparison cost him his credibility. It was stupid, lazy or intentionally biased. I don’t think that guy was stupid. He might have been lazy but the most reasonable explanation was that he was intentionally biased. He made an overly simplistic comparison to convince gullible readers with little to no understanding of the two countries that his argument was accurate.

You should be more upset with yourself for buying it than with me for pointing out how superficial it was.


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