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[UNI88]

All those people choosing not to pay rent and/or work and collecting unemployment is also a form of theft/stealing from the commons. Greedy bastards.

I’m not sure you understand how the commons works.

Are you saying that taxpayers and landlords aren't a part of the commons?

[kalm]

I’m not sure you understand how the commons works.

Are you saying that taxpayers and landlords aren't a part of the commons?

2. land or resources belonging to or affecting the whole of a community.

[BDKJMU]

I'm not ignoring it all, I've already said everyone's main goal is to maximize their profit - companies and businesses want to make as much as they can, workers want to also make as much as they can, and people buying things don't want to pay as little as possible. That's greed, for lack of a better word, from every person involved in an economy. None of that is in dispute and of course all of that is, and will continue to happen.

But that's the case all the time no matter what the government overspends nor whether the Fed is asleep or not. The only thing that changed here was that the government decided to go all in on modern monetary theory and the Fed forgot they have to act from time to time. The government blew out the coffers under the delusional idea that there is no limit to government spending and they can do so without impacting inflation. Clearly that has been proven completely wrong. And the Fed clearly was way too slow to respond.

The other market forces, i.e. businesses and consumers trying to do everything they can to maximize their bank accounts, work perfectly fine (well, tends to be a lot more perfectly balanced for a better word) when the government doesn't exist in fantasy-land and when the Fed does their job. Like I said, the biggest impact of rampant inflation is the uncertainty that inflation causes and it results in businesses and consumers making less balanced decisions as they try to maximize their bank accounts, as they always do. Of course their actions when doing this will further the inflationary period, but it only happens when the inflation is not under control in the first place.

Also global pandemic. Or have no other nations experienced inflation.

And crisis are a great time to increase wealth for some. It’s a kinder-gentler form of theft/stealing from the commons.

They have. When the US starting printing trillions of extra fiat money, Europe was like ‘Hold My Beer’. Govt stupidity is widespread..

[UNI88]

Are you saying that taxpayers and landlords aren't a part of the commons?

2. land or resources belonging to or affecting the whole of a community.

Apartments aren't resources? They don't occupy land? Not paying rent takes money out of a landlord's pocket just as much as "greedy" business owners raising prices takes money out of a consumer's pocket. Why is the consumer being impacted by greed a problem but landlords being impacted isn't?

Labor isn't a resource? Choosing to stay home and not work when healthy and capable of working doesn't deprive the community of that resource and affect the whole of the community who pay the taxes used to support their indolence?

[kalm]

2. land or resources belonging to or affecting the whole of a community.

Apartments aren't resources? They don't occupy land? Not paying rent takes money out of a landlord's pocket just as much as "greedy" business owners raising prices takes money out of a consumer's pocket. Why is the consumer being impacted by greed a problem but landlords being impacted isn't?

Labor isn't a resource? Choosing to stay home and not work when healthy and capable of working doesn't deprive the community of that resource and affect the whole of the community who pay the taxes used to support their indolence?

You still aren’t aware of what the commons is.


That’s ok. It’s an old timey word.

[SeattleGriz]

Wrong.

How? How was Russia provoked? How was Russia's safety as a country put at risk that they had to invade and try to annex another country to protect their own safety?

Okay. One more time.

Back in 2014 when the pro US government of Ukraine came to power, they removed Russian as an official language. The Donbass asked for autonomy so they could still consider Russian an official language. They did not ask to leave Ukraine, just be allowed to keep living their lives how they had been. Putin would not recognize them.

According to UNI, there is a lot of pent up aggression towards Russia, so it's not hard to then understand the new government started to attack the people of the Donbass. You will not be Russian, you will be Ukrainian.

In order to do this, they paid paramilitary to attack the Donbass. This is why the term Nazi is brought up...and of course all the MSM stories about their Nazi problems. As UNI stated, deep hatred, so nationalist paramilitary makes sense.


The Donbass was able to create an army through people who were in the Ukrainian military by switching loyalty to the Donbass. Sounds like they weren't too interested in killing their friends and family.

Nine years later and 14,000 people dead, on Feb 16, OSCE validated Ukrainian forces increased their illegal shelling of the Donbass in addition to the massing of troops on their border.

The Donbass asked for recognition from Russia, it was presented to their government, they approved that recognition and on the 24th, Russia was committed to protecting the ethnic Russians from the illegal shelling of the Donbass.

Did Putin use this as a chance to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine? Yes. Did the US push this? Yes. Have you been listening to the neocons? Bragging this war is cheap, except for dead Ukrainians, in regards to US resources.

[UNI88]

Apartments aren't resources? They don't occupy land? Not paying rent takes money out of a landlord's pocket just as much as "greedy" business owners raising prices takes money out of a consumer's pocket. Why is the consumer being impacted by greed a problem but landlords being impacted isn't?

Labor isn't a resource? Choosing to stay home and not work when healthy and capable of working doesn't deprive the community of that resource and affect the whole of the community who pay the taxes used to support their indolence?

You still aren’t aware of what the commons is.

That’s ok. It’s an old timey word.

I used the definition you gave. Do you want to move the goal posts and give a different definition?

You want to keep what qualifies as "the commons" narrow so you can attack "greedy" business owners while giving a pass to greedy/indolent individuals.

[GannonFan]

How? How was Russia provoked? How was Russia's safety as a country put at risk that they had to invade and try to annex another country to protect their own safety?

Okay. One more time.

Back in 2014 when the pro US government of Ukraine came to power, they removed Russian as an official language. The Donbass asked for autonomy so they could still consider Russian an official language. They did not ask to leave Ukraine, just be allowed to keep living their lives how they had been. Putin would not recognize them.

According to UNI, there is a lot of pent up aggression towards Russia, so it's not hard to then understand the new government started to attack the people of the Donbass. You will not be Russian, you will be Ukrainian.

In order to do this, they paid paramilitary to attack the Donbass. This is why the term Nazi is brought up...and of course all the MSM stories about their Nazi problems. As UNI stated, deep hatred, so nationalist paramilitary makes sense.


The Donbass was able to create an army through people who were in the Ukrainian military by switching loyalty to the Donbass. Sounds like they weren't too interested in killing their friends and family.

Nine years later and 14,000 people dead, on Feb 16, OSCE validated Ukrainian forces increased their illegal shelling of the Donbass in addition to the massing of troops on their border.

The Donbass asked for recognition from Russia, it was presented to their government, they approved that recognition and on the 24th, Russia was committed to protecting the ethnic Russians from the illegal shelling of the Donbass.

Did Putin use this as a chance to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine? Yes. Did the US push this? Yes. Have you been listening to the neocons? Bragging this war is cheap, except for dead Ukrainians, in regards to US resources.

You missed the part where Russians and Russian-supported independent military factions (like the Wagner group as one of many examples) have been stationed and operating in Eastern Ukraine at least as early as 2014 (back when Putin questioned why Ukraine even had territory that he said is rightfully "New Russia"). This invasion of Ukraine has been ongoing since 2014, it only got stepped up with the current increase in troops. Oh, and you skipped the part where Russia illegally annexed that other part of Ukraine, Crimea.

You just can't swallow whatever propaganda your Russian handlers are giving you, you should try to think a little more independently on this.

[GannonFan]

You still aren’t aware of what the commons is.

That’s ok. It’s an old timey word.

I used the definition you gave. Do you want to move the goal posts and give a different definition?

You want to keep what qualifies as "the commons" narrow so you can attack "greedy" business owners while giving a pass to greedy/indolent individuals.

Indeed, we are all Marco from Tropoja. Kalmie just likes to pretend otherwise.

[SeattleGriz]

Okay. One more time.

Back in 2014 when the pro US government of Ukraine came to power, they removed Russian as an official language. The Donbass asked for autonomy so they could still consider Russian an official language. They did not ask to leave Ukraine, just be allowed to keep living their lives how they had been. Putin would not recognize them.

According to UNI, there is a lot of pent up aggression towards Russia, so it's not hard to then understand the new government started to attack the people of the Donbass. You will not be Russian, you will be Ukrainian.

In order to do this, they paid paramilitary to attack the Donbass. This is why the term Nazi is brought up...and of course all the MSM stories about their Nazi problems. As UNI stated, deep hatred, so nationalist paramilitary makes sense.


The Donbass was able to create an army through people who were in the Ukrainian military by switching loyalty to the Donbass. Sounds like they weren't too interested in killing their friends and family.

Nine years later and 14,000 people dead, on Feb 16, OSCE validated Ukrainian forces increased their illegal shelling of the Donbass in addition to the massing of troops on their border.

The Donbass asked for recognition from Russia, it was presented to their government, they approved that recognition and on the 24th, Russia was committed to protecting the ethnic Russians from the illegal shelling of the Donbass.

Did Putin use this as a chance to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine? Yes. Did the US push this? Yes. Have you been listening to the neocons? Bragging this war is cheap, except for dead Ukrainians, in regards to US resources.

You missed the part where Russians and Russian-supported independent military factions (like the Wagner group as one of many examples) have been stationed and operating in Eastern Ukraine at least as early as 2014 (back when Putin questioned why Ukraine even had territory that he said is rightfully "New Russia"). This invasion of Ukraine has been ongoing since 2014, it only got stepped up with the current increase in troops. Oh, and you skipped the part where Russia illegally annexed that other part of Ukraine, Crimea.

You just can't swallow whatever propaganda your Russian handlers are giving you, you should try to think a little more independently on this.

You actually have been mislead and nice UNIesque ad hominem to try and dismiss the history of the Ex Swiss Intelligence officer who worked in the UN and NATO. He was there and lived it, but you keep convincing yourself you've got the correct version of events.

https://mronline.org/2022/04/10/the-mil ... e-ukraine/

In 2014, when I was at NATO, I was responsible for the fight against the proliferation of small arms, and we were trying to detect Russian arms deliveries to the rebels, to see if Moscow was involved. The information we received then came almost entirely from Polish intelligence services and did not “fit” with the information coming from the OSCE—despite rather crude allegations, there were no deliveries of weapons and military equipment from Russia

However, let us remember that there were never any Russian troops in the Donbass before 23-24 February 2022. Moreover, OSCE observers have never observed the slightest trace of Russian units operating in the Donbass. For example, the U.S. intelligence map published by the Washington Post on December 3, 2021 does not show Russian troops in the Donbass.

The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense then turned to NATO to help make its armed forces more “attractive.” Having already worked on similar projects within the framework of the United Nations, I was asked by NATO to participate in a program to restore the image of the Ukrainian armed forces. But this is a long-term process and the Ukrainians wanted to move quickly.

So, to compensate for the lack of soldiers, the Ukrainian government resorted to paramilitary militias. They are essentially composed of foreign mercenaries, often extreme right-wing militants. In 2020, they constituted about 40 percent of the Ukrainian forces and numbered about 102,000 men, according to Reuters. They were armed, financed and trained by the United States, Great Britain, Canada and France. There were more than 19 nationalities—including Swiss.

[kalm]

You still aren’t aware of what the commons is.

That’s ok. It’s an old timey word.

I used the definition you gave. Do you want to move the goal posts and give a different definition?

You want to keep what qualifies as "the commons" narrow so you can attack "greedy" business owners while giving a pass to greedy/indolent individuals.

Here…I’ll try this…

“Socialism for the rich, capitalism for everyone else.”

We’re supposed to be a democracy. The streets, courts, infrastructure, etc. belong to everyone. Without these things you have no market. So the market too belongs to everyone.

Hope it helps.

[UNI88]

I used the definition you gave. Do you want to move the goal posts and give a different definition?

You want to keep what qualifies as "the commons" narrow so you can attack "greedy" business owners while giving a pass to greedy/indolent individuals.

Here…I’ll try this…

“Socialism for the rich, capitalism for everyone else.”

We’re supposed to be a democracy. The streets, courts, infrastructure, etc. belong to everyone. Without these things you have no market. So the market too belongs to everyone.

Hope it helps.

I have no clue what point you're trying to make.

The market belongs to everyone and everyone, including taxpayers and landlords, are part of the commons. Greed and indolence has a negative impact on the commons. Greedy business owners are no more prevalent than greedy/indolent renters/unemployment collectors.

[GannonFan]

You missed the part where Russians and Russian-supported independent military factions (like the Wagner group as one of many examples) have been stationed and operating in Eastern Ukraine at least as early as 2014 (back when Putin questioned why Ukraine even had territory that he said is rightfully "New Russia"). This invasion of Ukraine has been ongoing since 2014, it only got stepped up with the current increase in troops. Oh, and you skipped the part where Russia illegally annexed that other part of Ukraine, Crimea.

You just can't swallow whatever propaganda your Russian handlers are giving you, you should try to think a little more independently on this.

You actually have been mislead and nice UNIesque ad hominem to try and dismiss the history of the Ex Swiss Intelligence officer who worked in the UN and NATO. He was there and lived it, but you keep convincing yourself you've got the correct version of events.

https://mronline.org/2022/04/10/the-mil ... e-ukraine/

In 2014, when I was at NATO, I was responsible for the fight against the proliferation of small arms, and we were trying to detect Russian arms deliveries to the rebels, to see if Moscow was involved. The information we received then came almost entirely from Polish intelligence services and did not “fit” with the information coming from the OSCE—despite rather crude allegations, there were no deliveries of weapons and military equipment from Russia

However, let us remember that there were never any Russian troops in the Donbass before 23-24 February 2022. Moreover, OSCE observers have never observed the slightest trace of Russian units operating in the Donbass. For example, the U.S. intelligence map published by the Washington Post on December 3, 2021 does not show Russian troops in the Donbass.

The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense then turned to NATO to help make its armed forces more “attractive.” Having already worked on similar projects within the framework of the United Nations, I was asked by NATO to participate in a program to restore the image of the Ukrainian armed forces. But this is a long-term process and the Ukrainians wanted to move quickly.

So, to compensate for the lack of soldiers, the Ukrainian government resorted to paramilitary militias. They are essentially composed of foreign mercenaries, often extreme right-wing militants. In 2020, they constituted about 40 percent of the Ukrainian forces and numbered about 102,000 men, according to Reuters. They were armed, financed and trained by the United States, Great Britain, Canada and France. There were more than 19 nationalities—including Swiss.

No, not the Swiss too!!!!!

I think I saw some Russians in Crimea back around 2014, no?

[UNI88]

You missed the part where Russians and Russian-supported independent military factions (like the Wagner group as one of many examples) have been stationed and operating in Eastern Ukraine at least as early as 2014 (back when Putin questioned why Ukraine even had territory that he said is rightfully "New Russia"). This invasion of Ukraine has been ongoing since 2014, it only got stepped up with the current increase in troops. Oh, and you skipped the part where Russia illegally annexed that other part of Ukraine, Crimea.

You just can't swallow whatever propaganda your Russian handlers are giving you, you should try to think a little more independently on this.

You actually have been mislead and nice UNIesque ad hominem to try and dismiss the history of the Ex Swiss Intelligence officer who worked in the UN and NATO. He was there and lived it, but you keep convincing yourself you've got the correct version of events.

https://mronline.org/2022/04/10/the-mil ... e-ukraine/

In 2014, when I was at NATO, I was responsible for the fight against the proliferation of small arms, and we were trying to detect Russian arms deliveries to the rebels, to see if Moscow was involved. The information we received then came almost entirely from Polish intelligence services and did not “fit” with the information coming from the OSCE—despite rather crude allegations, there were no deliveries of weapons and military equipment from Russia

However, let us remember that there were never any Russian troops in the Donbass before 23-24 February 2022. Moreover, OSCE observers have never observed the slightest trace of Russian units operating in the Donbass. For example, the U.S. intelligence map published by the Washington Post on December 3, 2021 does not show Russian troops in the Donbass.

The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense then turned to NATO to help make its armed forces more “attractive.” Having already worked on similar projects within the framework of the United Nations, I was asked by NATO to participate in a program to restore the image of the Ukrainian armed forces. But this is a long-term process and the Ukrainians wanted to move quickly.

So, to compensate for the lack of soldiers, the Ukrainian government resorted to paramilitary militias. They are essentially composed of foreign mercenaries, often extreme right-wing militants. In 2020, they constituted about 40 percent of the Ukrainian forces and numbered about 102,000 men, according to Reuters. They were armed, financed and trained by the United States, Great Britain, Canada and France. There were more than 19 nationalities—including Swiss.

In 2014, he had no proof that russia wasn't delivering weapon and military equipment to Donbas. What about between 2014 and 2022?

Is he saying that russia's 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade wasn't in Ukraine until February of 2022? The friends and family members of passengers on board Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 might disagree.

He makes a point of saying that there were no russian units operating in Donbas before February 2022 but doesn't mention use of militias. He then calls out Ukraine's use of militias. Why does he narrow the focus when discussing russian forces but not Ukrainian forces?

He's cheery picking things to prop up the defense of a bully and pariah state (russia) and while criticizing it's victim (Ukraine).

[SeattleGriz]

You actually have been mislead and nice UNIesque ad hominem to try and dismiss the history of the Ex Swiss Intelligence officer who worked in the UN and NATO. He was there and lived it, but you keep convincing yourself you've got the correct version of events.

https://mronline.org/2022/04/10/the-mil ... e-ukraine/

In 2014, he had no proof that russia wasn't delivering weapon and military equipment to Donbas. What about between 2014 and 2022?

Is he saying that russia's 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade wasn't in Ukraine until February of 2022? The friends and family members of passengers on board Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 might disagree.

He makes a point of saying that there were no russian units operating in Donbas before February 2022 but doesn't mention use of militias. He then calls out Ukraine's use of militias. Why does he narrow the focus when discussing russian forces but not Ukrainian forces?

He's cheery picking things to prop up the defense of a bully and pariah state (russia) and while criticizing it's victim (Ukraine).

Because he was asked to rehabilitate the Ukrainian military image. He saw the militias that were paid. He made the history you claim to read. He was there.

[UNI88]

In 2014, he had no proof that russia wasn't delivering weapon and military equipment to Donbas. What about between 2014 and 2022?

Is he saying that russia's 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade wasn't in Ukraine until February of 2022? The friends and family members of passengers on board Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 might disagree.

He makes a point of saying that there were no russian units operating in Donbas before February 2022 but doesn't mention use of militias. He then calls out Ukraine's use of militias. Why does he narrow the focus when discussing russian forces but not Ukrainian forces?

He's cheery picking things to prop up the defense of a bully and pariah state (russia) and while criticizing it's victim (Ukraine).

Because he was asked to rehabilitate the Ukrainian military image. He saw the militias that were paid. He made the history you claim to read. He was there.

I think he's being deliberately misleading when he:

• Includes militias when discussing Ukrainian forces but not when discussing russian forces.
• Attempts to insinuate that there were no deliveries of weapons and military equipment from russia prior to the invasion because there were none when he was there in 2014.
• Lies about "there were never any Russian troops in the Donbass before 23-24 February 2022".

If I dug, I'm pretty sure I could find experts who are just as reputable and who also "made history" with opinions that contradict many of his. He has an agenda, you believe him because you agree with his agenda.

The invasion was not justified. The bombing, murder and rape of Ukrainian civilians is not justified by any atrocities that occurred in the Donbas.

[SeattleGriz]

Because he was asked to rehabilitate the Ukrainian military image. He saw the militias that were paid. He made the history you claim to read. He was there.

I think he's being deliberately misleading when he:

• Includes militias when discussing Ukrainian forces but not when discussing russian forces.
• Attempts to insinuate that there were no deliveries of weapons and military equipment from russia prior to the invasion because there were none when he was there in 2014.
• Lies about "there were never any Russian troops in the Donbass before 23-24 February 2022".

If I dug, I'm pretty sure I could find experts who are just as reputable and who also "made history" with opinions that contradict many of his. He has an agenda, you believe him because you agree with his agenda.

The invasion was not justified. The bombing, murder and rape of Ukrainian civilians is not justified by any atrocities that occurred in the Donbas.

Putin went in because Kiev was slaughtering civilians in the Donbass. Ukraine and the West would not abide by either Minsk agreement and started massing troops in addition to dramatically increased shelling. You expected Putin to let ethnic Russians be slaughtered? Remember the deep seeded hatred the Ukrainians foster for Russia.

[UNI88]

I think he's being deliberately misleading when he:

• Includes militias when discussing Ukrainian forces but not when discussing russian forces.
• Attempts to insinuate that there were no deliveries of weapons and military equipment from russia prior to the invasion because there were none when he was there in 2014.
• Lies about "there were never any Russian troops in the Donbass before 23-24 February 2022".

If I dug, I'm pretty sure I could find experts who are just as reputable and who also "made history" with opinions that contradict many of his. He has an agenda, you believe him because you agree with his agenda.

The invasion was not justified. The bombing, murder and rape of Ukrainian civilians is not justified by any atrocities that occurred in the Donbas.

Putin went in because Kiev was slaughtering civilians in the Donbass. Ukraine and the West would not abide by either Minsk agreement and started massing troops in addition to dramatically increased shelling. You expected Putin to let ethnic Russians be slaughtered? Remember the deep seeded hatred the Ukrainians foster for Russia.

You keep bringing up my mentioning the animosity of Ukrainians toward russia as some sort of justification for what russia is doing while ignoring the causes of that animosity which helps explain why Ukrainians are distrustful of russians. russian oppression and slaughter of Ukrainians has been going on for hundreds of years. Look up the Holodomor for a "historical" example. russians getting upset over Ukrainian treatment of russian speakers in Donbas is beyond hypocritical.

[SeattleGriz]

Putin went in because Kiev was slaughtering civilians in the Donbass. Ukraine and the West would not abide by either Minsk agreement and started massing troops in addition to dramatically increased shelling. You expected Putin to let ethnic Russians be slaughtered? Remember the deep seeded hatred the Ukrainians foster for Russia.

You keep bringing up my mentioning the animosity of Ukrainians toward russia as some sort of justification for what russia is doing while ignoring the causes of that animosity which helps explain why Ukrainians are distrustful of russians. russian oppression and slaughter of Ukrainians has been going on for hundreds of years. Look up the Holodomor for a "historical" example. russians getting upset over Ukrainian treatment of russian speakers in Donbas is beyond hypocritical.

Not justification for Russia, but for justification of the truth. You seem to think Ukraine was just minding their own business when in reality they were hate fueled and committed genocide against their own people that simply wanted to speak their native language.

A hatred so deep, they used the nastiest of the nasty, the nationalistic paramilitary, to attack those citizens that did not ask to leave Ukraine, but to be able to exist as they always had.

You're fine with all that? 10,000 plus innocent civilians? Because of shit you most likely had no hand in participation, we are going to kill, rape and murder you.

Absolutely stunning admission by you.

[kalm]

Here…I’ll try this…

“Socialism for the rich, capitalism for everyone else.”

We’re supposed to be a democracy. The streets, courts, infrastructure, etc. belong to everyone. Without these things you have no market. So the market too belongs to everyone.

Hope it helps.

I have no clue what point you're trying to make.

The market belongs to everyone and everyone, including taxpayers and landlords, are part of the commons. Greed and indolence has a negative impact on the commons. Greedy business owners are no more prevalent than greedy/indolent renters/unemployment collectors.

The commons aren’t people. The commons is what belongs to the people. All of us.

My point is that blaming inflation predominantly on the freeloading middle class is convenient for those with the wealth to not have to work. It’s a part of the story but not the whole story or in retrospect even a bad idea. It saved lives, protected landlords and the investment class, kept people housed, etc.

Remember, this started with no additional relief after March 2020. Hyper inflation sucks and maybe we should have ended it earlier but roll the dice with a never seen before pandemic is arm chair quarterbacking.

[UNI88]

I have no clue what point you're trying to make.

The market belongs to everyone and everyone, including taxpayers and landlords, are part of the commons. Greed and indolence has a negative impact on the commons. Greedy business owners are no more prevalent than greedy/indolent renters/unemployment collectors.

The commons aren’t people. The commons is what belongs to the people. All of us.

My point is that blaming inflation predominantly on the freeloading middle class is convenient for those with the wealth to not have to work. It’s a part of the story but not the whole story or in retrospect even a bad idea. It saved lives, protected landlords and the investment class, kept people housed, etc.

Remember, this started with no additional relief after March 2020. Hyper inflation sucks and maybe we should have ended it earlier but roll the dice with a never seen before pandemic is arm chair quarterbacking.

So the commons belongs to landlords, business owners, and stockholders too.

I didn’t blame inflation on “the freeloading middle class”, I was simply agreeing with Ganny that blaming greedy business owners is overly simplistic and downplays the more significant role that government played. It’s just another example of your bias toward business and capitalism so it’s expected.

No additional relief after March 2020? You, me and no one on this board has any room to talk about armchair quarterbacking. That’s what we do here.


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[UNI88]

You keep bringing up my mentioning the animosity of Ukrainians toward russia as some sort of justification for what russia is doing while ignoring the causes of that animosity which helps explain why Ukrainians are distrustful of russians. russian oppression and slaughter of Ukrainians has been going on for hundreds of years. Look up the Holodomor for a "historical" example. russians getting upset over Ukrainian treatment of russian speakers in Donbas is beyond hypocritical.

Not justification for Russia, but for justification of the truth. You seem to think Ukraine was just minding their own business when in reality they were hate fueled and committed genocide against their own people that simply wanted to speak their native language.

A hatred so deep, they used the nastiest of the nasty, the nationalistic paramilitary, to attack those citizens that did not ask to leave Ukraine, but to be able to exist as they always had.

You're fine with all that? 10,000 plus innocent civilians? Because of shit you most likely had no hand in participation, we are going to kill, rape and murder you.

Absolutely stunning admission by you.

When did you stop beating your wife? That’s pretty much what you’re trying to do here. The opposing argument is that it’s an absolutely stunning admission by you that you’re ok with russia murdering 10,000+ civilians, injuring even more, raping women, kidnapping children, etc.


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[SeattleGriz]

Not justification for Russia, but for justification of the truth. You seem to think Ukraine was just minding their own business when in reality they were hate fueled and committed genocide against their own people that simply wanted to speak their native language.

A hatred so deep, they used the nastiest of the nasty, the nationalistic paramilitary, to attack those citizens that did not ask to leave Ukraine, but to be able to exist as they always had.

You're fine with all that? 10,000 plus innocent civilians? Because of shit you most likely had no hand in participation, we are going to kill, rape and murder you.

Absolutely stunning admission by you.

When did you stop beating your wife? That’s pretty much what you’re trying to do here. The opposing argument is that it’s an absolutely stunning admission by you that you’re ok with russia murdering 10,000+ civilians, injuring even more, raping women, kidnapping children, etc.


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No. You said the people of the Donbass being upset with their treatment was hypocritical. I ask you again. Are you fine with the 10,000+ civilian deaths in the Donbass and why were these acts not condemned?

[kalm]

The commons aren’t people. The commons is what belongs to the people. All of us.

My point is that blaming inflation predominantly on the freeloading middle class is convenient for those with the wealth to not have to work. It’s a part of the story but not the whole story or in retrospect even a bad idea. It saved lives, protected landlords and the investment class, kept people housed, etc.

Remember, this started with no additional relief after March 2020. Hyper inflation sucks and maybe we should have ended it earlier but roll the dice with a never seen before pandemic is arm chair quarterbacking.

So the commons belongs to landlords, business owners, and stockholders too.

I didn’t blame inflation on “the freeloading middle class”, I was simply agreeing with Ganny that blaming greedy business owners is overly simplistic and downplays the more significant role that government played. It’s just another example of your bias toward business and capitalism so it’s expected.

No additional relief after March 2020? You, me and no one on this board has any room to talk about armchair quarterbacking. That’s what we do here.


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Good. We sort of agree. Everyone should have skin in the game. For some during a crisis, it’s survival items like food and housing. For others it’s a loss of wealth without much effect on standard of living. For a few more it’s an opportunity to expand wealth in the long term (See Taibbi’s old “giant vampire squid” piece from the Great Recession.

I’m not against capitalism. I just agree with the likes of Adam Smith and Lincoln in that manufacturing creates real value (rather than finance) and labor precedes capital.

That’s a true middle stance in this day and age.

I remain post-partisan.

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So the commons belongs to landlords, business owners, and stockholders too.

I didn’t blame inflation on “the freeloading middle class”, I was simply agreeing with Ganny that blaming greedy business owners is overly simplistic and downplays the more significant role that government played. It’s just another example of your bias toward business and capitalism so it’s expected.

No additional relief after March 2020? You, me and no one on this board has any room to talk about armchair quarterbacking. That’s what we do here.


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Good. We sort of agree. Everyone should have skin in the game. For some during a crisis, it’s survival items like food and housing. For others it’s a loss of wealth without much effect on standard of living. For a few more it’s an opportunity to expand wealth in the long term (See Taibbi’s old “giant vampire squid” piece from the Great Recession.

I’m not against capitalism. I just agree with the likes of Adam Smith and Lincoln in that manufacturing creates real value (rather than finance) and labor precedes capital.

That’s a true middle stance in this day and age.

I remain post-partisan.

For others it’s loss of wealth wealth without much effect on standard of living? Do you realize how many mom and pop landlords there are who rely on their rental income to pay their bills? Losing that income was like losing their job but unemployment wasn’t available to them.

You keep wanting to dump all landlords and business owners into a big bucket of greedy people but then get defensive when I play the same game with individuals who didn’t pay rent and/or collected unemployment. Yes, there were greedy, selfish individuals in both groups but most were just trying to do the best they could during uncertain times.