Coronavirus COVID-19

[Gil Dobie]

We appear to have an end point now, with the vaccine. The mask, and distancing work when done properly.

I agree, if you have a Taiwan or New Zealand situation, where you have absolute control of all borders and a relatively small and isolated population, then masking and distancing, coupled with contact tracing, work perfectly. Most countries aren't isolated like them and can't just pull up the drawbridge like they did and still have up. I think you're seeing the limits of masking and distancing - even in places where this was done well - the Northeast in the US after say July, Germany, etc, you're still seeing spikes now. You can limit the spread, but with this one you can't perfectly contain it unless you shut it all down for a really extended period, and I don't think you can get cooperation for that, assuming you wanted to do that. The vaccine is the only endgame.

It's quite unusual that our local casino requires mask and distance with temp checks. Employees are not allowed in the building if they have any symptoms. Have yet to have a covid outbreak since it opened in June. Masks and distancing are required in many area's, but very, very few follow protocol. That is why we have outbreaks. For example, I went to a restaurant in Mask Mandated Minnesota, to pick up food, 4 of the 5 employees I saw, did not have their mask on.

[GannonFan]

I agree, if you have a Taiwan or New Zealand situation, where you have absolute control of all borders and a relatively small and isolated population, then masking and distancing, coupled with contact tracing, work perfectly. Most countries aren't isolated like them and can't just pull up the drawbridge like they did and still have up. I think you're seeing the limits of masking and distancing - even in places where this was done well - the Northeast in the US after say July, Germany, etc, you're still seeing spikes now. You can limit the spread, but with this one you can't perfectly contain it unless you shut it all down for a really extended period, and I don't think you can get cooperation for that, assuming you wanted to do that. The vaccine is the only endgame.

It's quite unusual that our local casino requires mask and distance with temp checks. Employees are not allowed in the building if they have any symptoms. Have yet to have a covid outbreak since it opened in June. Masks and distancing are required in many area's, but very, very few follow protocol. That is why we have outbreaks. For example, I went to a restaurant in Mask Mandated Minnesota, to pick up food, 4 of the 5 employees I saw, did not have their mask on.

Well, that's pretty crappy on their part. I know where I live mask wearing has been pretty consistent now for months, and my place of business has been masks since early April. We haven't had a single worker here yet with COVID and have been open throughout this. But yeah, you are starting to see people slip up. Heck, the Biden victory celebration had tons of people with their masks off and not terribly socially distanced. The commentators were mentioning how great everyone was doing in that regard, but then they'd pan to the crowd and you could spot people all over with masks pulled down to shout or not to have them at all.

[Winterborn]

I agree, if you have a Taiwan or New Zealand situation, where you have absolute control of all borders and a relatively small and isolated population, then masking and distancing, coupled with contact tracing, work perfectly. Most countries aren't isolated like them and can't just pull up the drawbridge like they did and still have up. I think you're seeing the limits of masking and distancing - even in places where this was done well - the Northeast in the US after say July, Germany, etc, you're still seeing spikes now. You can limit the spread, but with this one you can't perfectly contain it unless you shut it all down for a really extended period, and I don't think you can get cooperation for that, assuming you wanted to do that. The vaccine is the only endgame.

It's quite unusual that our local casino requires mask and distance with temp checks. Employees are not allowed in the building if they have any symptoms. Have yet to have a covid outbreak since it opened in June. Masks and distancing are required in many area's, but very, very few follow protocol. That is why we have outbreaks. For example, I went to a restaurant in Mask Mandated Minnesota, to pick up food, 4 of the 5 employees I saw, did not have their mask on.

You will be seeing that increase here in the coming days with the new Walsh orders in place. When a business and owner are given a suckers choice of either folding up from a lack of business due to following the new mandates or having the government potentially shut you down and losing ones business, the choice is pretty clear for a good chunk of business owners not in the metro area. Not wearing masks is just a side show of whats really happening, which is people have already decided to ignore laws they don't agree with or ones that will kill their livelihood/life's work.

[kalm]

It's quite unusual that our local casino requires mask and distance with temp checks. Employees are not allowed in the building if they have any symptoms. Have yet to have a covid outbreak since it opened in June. Masks and distancing are required in many area's, but very, very few follow protocol. That is why we have outbreaks. For example, I went to a restaurant in Mask Mandated Minnesota, to pick up food, 4 of the 5 employees I saw, did not have their mask on.

Well, that's pretty crappy on their part. I know where I live mask wearing has been pretty consistent now for months, and my place of business has been masks since early April. We haven't had a single worker here yet with COVID and have been open throughout this. But yeah, you are starting to see people slip up. Heck, the Biden victory celebration had tons of people with their masks off and not terribly socially distanced. The commentators were mentioning how great everyone was doing in that regard, but then they'd pan to the crowd and you could spot people all over with masks pulled down to shout or not to have them at all.

Noticed that too. Not much 6 feet.

Our county is fairly compliant but going into a restaurant to pick up food and seeing a room packed with 30 people and no masks is

North Idaho is practically maskless.

[Gil Dobie]

It's quite unusual that our local casino requires mask and distance with temp checks. Employees are not allowed in the building if they have any symptoms. Have yet to have a covid outbreak since it opened in June. Masks and distancing are required in many area's, but very, very few follow protocol. That is why we have outbreaks. For example, I went to a restaurant in Mask Mandated Minnesota, to pick up food, 4 of the 5 employees I saw, did not have their mask on.

You will be seeing that increase here in the coming days with the new Walsh orders in place. When a business and owner are given a suckers choice of either folding up from a lack of business due to following the new mandates or having the government potentially shut you down and losing ones business, the choice is pretty clear for a good chunk of business owners not in the metro area. Not wearing masks is just a side show of whats really happening, which is people have already decided to ignore laws they don't agree with or ones that will kill their livelihood/life's work.

There is one restaurant in town that we ordered from weekly, until the first lockdown ended. After that lockdown ended, they were pretty loose with mask restrictions and curb-side pickup, so we have been going to other places since.

[kalm]

It's quite unusual that our local casino requires mask and distance with temp checks. Employees are not allowed in the building if they have any symptoms. Have yet to have a covid outbreak since it opened in June. Masks and distancing are required in many area's, but very, very few follow protocol. That is why we have outbreaks. For example, I went to a restaurant in Mask Mandated Minnesota, to pick up food, 4 of the 5 employees I saw, did not have their mask on.

You will be seeing that increase here in the coming days with the new Walsh orders in place. When a business and owner are given a suckers choice of either folding up from a lack of business due to following the new mandates or having the government potentially shut you down and losing ones business, the choice is pretty clear for a good chunk of business owners not in the metro area. Not wearing masks is just a side show of whats really happening, which is people have already decided to ignore laws they don't agree with or ones that will kill their livelihood/life's work.

Yep.

Which is why the first thing Trump, Pelosi, and McConnell should have reassured small business owners with is continued economic relief until it’s under control.

[Winterborn]

You will be seeing that increase here in the coming days with the new Walsh orders in place. When a business and owner are given a suckers choice of either folding up from a lack of business due to following the new mandates or having the government potentially shut you down and losing ones business, the choice is pretty clear for a good chunk of business owners not in the metro area. Not wearing masks is just a side show of whats really happening, which is people have already decided to ignore laws they don't agree with or ones that will kill their livelihood/life's work.

There is one restaurant in town that we ordered from weekly, until the first lockdown ended. After that lockdown ended, they were pretty loose with mask restrictions and curb-side pickup, so we have been going to other places since.

Yup. Consumers are making a choice on both side of the situation.

[Winterborn]

Well, that's pretty crappy on their part. I know where I live mask wearing has been pretty consistent now for months, and my place of business has been masks since early April. We haven't had a single worker here yet with COVID and have been open throughout this. But yeah, you are starting to see people slip up. Heck, the Biden victory celebration had tons of people with their masks off and not terribly socially distanced. The commentators were mentioning how great everyone was doing in that regard, but then they'd pan to the crowd and you could spot people all over with masks pulled down to shout or not to have them at all.

Noticed that too. Not much 6 feet.

Our county is fairly compliant but going into a restaurant to pick up food and seeing a room packed with 30 people and no masks is

North Idaho is practically maskless.

I noticed that on my last trip out there.

[Winterborn]

You will be seeing that increase here in the coming days with the new Walsh orders in place. When a business and owner are given a suckers choice of either folding up from a lack of business due to following the new mandates or having the government potentially shut you down and losing ones business, the choice is pretty clear for a good chunk of business owners not in the metro area. Not wearing masks is just a side show of whats really happening, which is people have already decided to ignore laws they don't agree with or ones that will kill their livelihood/life's work.

Yep.

Which is why the first thing Trump, Pelosi, and McConnell should have reassured small business owners with is continued economic relief until it’s under control.

From your lips to God's ears.

[GannonFan]

Well, that's pretty crappy on their part. I know where I live mask wearing has been pretty consistent now for months, and my place of business has been masks since early April. We haven't had a single worker here yet with COVID and have been open throughout this. But yeah, you are starting to see people slip up. Heck, the Biden victory celebration had tons of people with their masks off and not terribly socially distanced. The commentators were mentioning how great everyone was doing in that regard, but then they'd pan to the crowd and you could spot people all over with masks pulled down to shout or not to have them at all.

Noticed that too. Not much 6 feet.

Our county is fairly compliant but going into a restaurant to pick up food and seeing a room packed with 30 people and no masks is

North Idaho is practically maskless.

I don't get that - any place around here and they have socially distanced seating in the restaurants and they're never anything close to capacity. People have their masks off, but they tend to be eating or drinking and putting a hole through the mask for that doesn't make a lot of sense.

Saw a funny thing on my Facebook feed. Friends from college who still live in Delaware had a daughter playing as a senior in the marching band. They let the band play, but in addition to the covers placed over the openings on the instruments where air could flow out, they actually made each kid playing an instrument to also wear a mask while playing. So yes, they had to cut holes into the masks in order to play their instrument with a mask on. I kid you not.

Again, when government and bureaucracy make non-sensical rules it just goes to fuel the crazies out there who now will use that as a proof to justify not following any of the rules.

[Winterborn]

Noticed that too. Not much 6 feet.

Our county is fairly compliant but going into a restaurant to pick up food and seeing a room packed with 30 people and no masks is

North Idaho is practically maskless.

I don't get that - any place around here and they have socially distanced seating in the restaurants and they're never anything close to capacity. People have their masks off, but they tend to be eating or drinking and putting a hole through the mask for that doesn't make a lot of sense.

Saw a funny thing on my Facebook feed. Friends from college who still live in Delaware had a daughter playing as a senior in the marching band. They let the band play, but in addition to the covers placed over the openings on the instruments where air could flow out, they actually made each kid playing an instrument to also wear a mask while playing. So yes, they had to cut holes into the masks in order to play their instrument with a mask on. I kid you not.

Again, when government and bureaucracy make non-sensical rules it just goes to fuel the crazies out there who now will use that as a proof to justify not following any of the rules.

We have one restaurant/bar around here that is at most 15 feet from the wall behind the bar to the wall on the other side of the bar. It is all stools. It is not physically possible for the most part of the restaurant to maintain the 6 feet distance. They are open like normal other than removing a few stools to give lip service to the 6ft distance. Other places (like the ones a buddy told me in Nothern MN) just put the chairs or most of the tables back. It is either go back to business as normal or shut down.

[UNI88]

Noticed that too. Not much 6 feet.

Our county is fairly compliant but going into a restaurant to pick up food and seeing a room packed with 30 people and no masks is

North Idaho is practically maskless.

I don't get that - any place around here and they have socially distanced seating in the restaurants and they're never anything close to capacity. People have their masks off, but they tend to be eating or drinking and putting a hole through the mask for that doesn't make a lot of sense.

Saw a funny thing on my Facebook feed. Friends from college who still live in Delaware had a daughter playing as a senior in the marching band. They let the band play, but in addition to the covers placed over the openings on the instruments where air could flow out, they actually made each kid playing an instrument to also wear a mask while playing. So yes, they had to cut holes into the masks in order to play their instrument with a mask on. I kid you not.

Again, when government and bureaucracy make non-sensical rules it just goes to fuel the crazies out there who now will use that as a proof to justify not following any of the rules.

I saw that with a college band, I think it was Notre Dame's during the Clemson game. I wondered what happens with the spit valve on the horns?

[dbackjon]

Covid. Officially 245K, but the CDC excess deaths indicate that at least another 60-100K likely died from COVID but were never tested, so not apart of the official numbers

Officially 237k as of now:
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracke ... html#cases
And bullshit on an additional 60-100k. If anything, the 237k is inflated.

Straight from EXCESS DEATH Stats. No bullshit. And again, no legit medical person thinks the numbers are inflated. That is a right-wing nutjob conspiracy position.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/ ... 42e2-H.pdf

[dbackjon]

Covid. Officially 245K, but the CDC excess deaths indicate that at least another 60-100K likely died from COVID but were never tested, so not apart of the official numbers

Let’s not forget the 50-100K who’ve died of OTHER diseases/lack of medical care because of the unnecessary lockdowns.

Stats/proof?

[dbackjon]

So what? How is the timing of the announcement any less acceptable than corporate political spending?

Trump went after the pharmaceutical industry, so it makes sense they would delay their report.

While I can't so how much Trump hurt the industry, he was one of the few to do anything in regards to their price gouging of Americans.

He went after Medicare pricing as well, which is the golden calf of insurance payouts.

You want to know why the report on the vaccine was timed the way it was?


https://markets.businessinsider.com/new ... 1029790705

Pfizer's CEO cashed out 60% of his stock on the same day the company unveiled the results of its COVID-19 vaccine trial

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla sold 62% of his stock on the same day the company announced its experimental COVID-19 vaccine succeeded in clinical trials.
The vaccine announcement sent Pfizer's shares soaring almost 15% on the day.
Bourla sold 132,508 shares in the company at an average price of $41.94 a share, or $5.6 million total, according to filings registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The 52-week high for Pfizer's stock is $41.99, meaning Bourla sold his stock at almost its highest value in the past year.
His stock sale was carried out through a routine Rule 10b5-1, a predetermined trading plan that allows company staff members to sell their stock in line with insider-trading laws. Bourla's sale was part of a plan adopted August 19, the filing showed. He continues to own 81,812 Pfizer shares.

[dbackjon]

For those who think it’s still just the flu.

Anxiety, insomnia and depression are legit concerns of lockdowns. They are also legit concerns of Covid patients. One in five are sufferers according to a new study. This also includes indications that dementia is probably a symptom for some as well...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reu ... SKBN27P34L

Mental illness is made worse by the disease - just look at how deranged Trump has been since he tested positive

[mainejeff]

For those who think it’s still just the flu.

Anxiety, insomnia and depression are legit concerns of lockdowns. They are also legit concerns of Covid patients. One in five are sufferers according to a new study. This also includes indications that dementia is probably a symptom for some as well...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reu ... SKBN27P34L

Mental illness is made worse by the disease - just look at how deranged Trump has been since he tested positive

[Baldy]

Adolf Cuomo is back at it.

[SeattleGriz]

Trump went after the pharmaceutical industry, so it makes sense they would delay their report.

While I can't so how much Trump hurt the industry, he was one of the few to do anything in regards to their price gouging of Americans.

He went after Medicare pricing as well, which is the golden calf of insurance payouts.

You want to know why the report on the vaccine was timed the way it was?


https://markets.businessinsider.com/new ... 1029790705

Pfizer's CEO cashed out 60% of his stock on the same day the company unveiled the results of its COVID-19 vaccine trial

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla sold 62% of his stock on the same day the company announced its experimental COVID-19 vaccine succeeded in clinical trials.
The vaccine announcement sent Pfizer's shares soaring almost 15% on the day.
Bourla sold 132,508 shares in the company at an average price of $41.94 a share, or $5.6 million total, according to filings registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The 52-week high for Pfizer's stock is $41.99, meaning Bourla sold his stock at almost its highest value in the past year.
His stock sale was carried out through a routine Rule 10b5-1, a predetermined trading plan that allows company staff members to sell their stock in line with insider-trading laws. Bourla's sale was part of a plan adopted August 19, the filing showed. He continues to own 81,812 Pfizer shares.

That logic makes no sense. He gained no advantage over the average Joe, as the average Joe would hear the news and sell if they wanted.

We are strongly discouraged from selling near the end of the quarter to prevent it looking like we knew what the company would post.

He could have done the exact same thing one week earlier.

[Gil Dobie]

For those who think it’s still just the flu.

Anxiety, insomnia and depression are legit concerns of lockdowns. They are also legit concerns of Covid patients. One in five are sufferers according to a new study. This also includes indications that dementia is probably a symptom for some as well...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reu ... SKBN27P34L

Mental illness is made worse by the disease - just look at how deranged Trump has been since he tested positive

I think Biden's advisor on covid, has some of that Trump mental illness.

What's up with these assholes. Sit down with an old-time some afternoon and absorb a wealth of knowledge.

A doctor whom President-elect Joe Biden has appointed to advise about the coronavirus is facing criticism for an article he wrote six years ago in which he argued that he had no aspiration to live beyond the age of 75.

The essay by Ezekiel Emanuel, an oncologist who is one of the 10 advisory board members that Biden appointed to his coronavirus task force this week, outlined how he believed by that age "creativity, originality and productivity are pretty much gone for the vast, vast majority of us."

"Living too long is also a loss. It renders many of us, if not disabled, then faltering and declining, a state that may not be worse than death but is nonetheless deprived," he wrote in the piece for the October 2014 edition of The Atlantic headlined, "Why I Hope to Die at 75."

Link

[UNI88]

For those who think it’s still just the flu.

Anxiety, insomnia and depression are legit concerns of lockdowns. They are also legit concerns of Covid patients. One in five are sufferers according to a new study. This also includes indications that dementia is probably a symptom for some as well...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reu ... SKBN27P34L

When did Biden have COVID?

[BDKJMU]

Mental illness is made worse by the disease - just look at how deranged Trump has been since he tested positive

I think Biden's advisor on covid, has some of that Trump mental illness.

What's up with these assholes. Sit down with an old-time some afternoon and absorb a wealth of knowledge.

A doctor whom President-elect Joe Biden has appointed to advise about the coronavirus is facing criticism for an article he wrote six years ago in which he argued that he had no aspiration to live beyond the age of 75.

The essay by Ezekiel Emanuel, an oncologist who is one of the 10 advisory board members that Biden appointed to his coronavirus task force this week, outlined how he believed by that age "creativity, originality and productivity are pretty much gone for the vast, vast majority of us."

"Living too long is also a loss. It renders many of us, if not disabled, then faltering and declining, a state that may not be worse than death but is nonetheless deprived," he wrote in the piece for the October 2014 edition of The Atlantic headlined, "Why I Hope to Die at 75."

Link

3 guys walk into a bar- Mengele, Ezekiel Emanuel, and JSO..

[SDHornet]

Adolf Cuomo is back at it.

Didn't he write a book about beating the China virus?

[BDKJMU]

Adolf Cuomo is back at it.

Also if you're traveling into NY, "Papers Please!"
Cuomo: Thanksgiving Travelers To New York Will Have To Have Proof Of Negative COVID Test
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/11/06 ... ovid-test/

[AZGrizFan]

Mental illness is made worse by the disease - just look at how deranged Trump has been since he tested positive

I think Biden's advisor on covid, has some of that Trump mental illness.

What's up with these assholes. Sit down with an old-time some afternoon and absorb a wealth of knowledge.

A doctor whom President-elect Joe Biden has appointed to advise about the coronavirus is facing criticism for an article he wrote six years ago in which he argued that he had no aspiration to live beyond the age of 75.

The essay by Ezekiel Emanuel, an oncologist who is one of the 10 advisory board members that Biden appointed to his coronavirus task force this week, outlined how he believed by that age "creativity, originality and productivity are pretty much gone for the vast, vast majority of us."

"Living too long is also a loss. It renders many of us, if not disabled, then faltering and declining, a state that may not be worse than death but is nonetheless deprived," he wrote in the piece for the October 2014 edition of The Atlantic headlined, "Why I Hope to Die at 75."

Link

So he’s basically Chizzang.....