Colin Kaepernick

[89Hen]

The narrative has been successfully shifted from police killing blacks to disrespecting the flag. game over.

Agreed ^
and that's how you win any argument when you're short of a legitimate opposing idea

- The debate is about School Safety / not the 2nd amendment and gun ownership rights
- The debate is about enforcing the actual immigration laws that already exist / not jobs
- The debate is about what is actually being spent and how / not the facade of ever changing tax laws

the list goes on forever actually

- The debate is about women's right to liberty / not babies' right to life

[kalm]

How many companies have you worked for where you, as a rank and file employee, got a say in the strategic marketing plan for the company?

I really believe the owners should start firing the employees
and then watch the "other owners" sign them and win games

Is it about winning..? or Marketing ..?
The NFL is in the middle of a hell of a conundrum

Truth. It's a talent based industry where the employees are also the product. A little different scenario than the typical company.

[CAA Flagship]

I really believe the owners should start firing the employees
and then watch the "other owners" sign them and win games

Is it about winning..? or Marketing ..?
The NFL is in the middle of a hell of a conundrum

Truth. It's a talent based industry where the employees are also the product. A little different scenario than the typical company.

Meh. I think the game is the product more than the players. A large percentage of people couldn't tell the difference in talent between games that matched Ravens-Bengals or Mississippi St-South Carolina.

[89Hen]

I really believe the owners should start firing the employees
and then watch the "other owners" sign them and win games

Is it about winning..? or Marketing ..?
The NFL is in the middle of a hell of a conundrum

Truth. It's a talent based industry where the employees are also the product. A little different scenario than the typical company.

If you narrow your definition of "typical" to exclude all service based companies.

[houndawg]

The players were never consulted when the owners began accepting millions from the DoD to stage these "patriotic displays" using the players. Who before about '09 stayed in the tunnel until after the anthem.

How many companies have you worked for where you, as a rank and file employee, got a say in the strategic marketing plan for the company?

the players are contractors

[Chizzang]

the players are contractors

That ^ is technically correct
Each player negotiates a contract individually with the team



Each team is technically an independent club
Some are under the strict control of a general manager
and others are controlled of the ownership group - Such as Dallas

[CID1990]

How many companies have you worked for where you, as a rank and file employee, got a say in the strategic marketing plan for the company?

the players are contractors

Hey Rip Van - I already covered this


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[houndawg]

the players are contractors

Hey Rip Van - I already covered this


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Your boy Z was sleeping in class.

[CID1990]

Hey Rip Van - I already covered this


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Your boy Z was sleeping in class.

I neither claim nor accept responsibility for him


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[AZGrizFan]

How many companies have you worked for where you, as a rank and file employee, got a say in the strategic marketing plan for the company?

the players are contractors

Then employed at the employers pleasure. Even LESS rights.

[houndawg]

the players are contractors

Then employed at the employers pleasure. Even LESS rights.

Meh. Black balling him, that's their right and I quit watching the NFL back in the 80s. As time goes on its CK who looks like the bigger man - where are all those butthurt fat slobs spitting Dorito crumbs in rage during the national anthem and demanding he put his money where his mouth is? You'd think they'd at least compliment him for following their advice.

But garbage like Ray Lewis and some wife-beaters get welcomed back with open arms.

[Gil Dobie]

the players are contractors

Then employed at the employers pleasure. Even LESS rights.

During my contracting years, we were expected to dress better than the employee's, and unless you were a bearded sandal, the contractors were the first to go if the company changed plans. Bearded sandals were usually hired by the company.

Kaepernick never did anything illegal, he just got caught up in a media frenzy over the way he protested. I agree with houndy, Ray Lewis and his ilk, were far worse than anything Kaepernick did.

[houndawg]

Truth. It's a talent based industry where the employees are also the product. A little different scenario than the typical company.

Meh. I think the game is the product more than the players. A large percentage of people couldn't tell the difference in talent between games that matched Ravens-Bengals or Mississippi St-South Carolina.

You would have reached a different conclusion if you'd seen any of the early games featuring the scab players in the '87 season. Slapstick.

[houndawg]

Then employed at the employers pleasure. Even LESS rights.

During my contracting years, we were expected to dress better than the employee's, and unless you were a bearded sandal, the contractors were the first to go if the company changed plans. Bearded sandals were usually hired by the company.

Kaepernick never did anything illegal, he just got caught up in a media frenzy over the way he protested. I agree with houndy, Ray Lewis and his ilk, were far worse than anything Kaepernick did.

And he was protesting for a while before it became an issue - after a reporter asked him why he was kneeling.

[Gil Dobie]

Meh. I think the game is the product more than the players. A large percentage of people couldn't tell the difference in talent between games that matched Ravens-Bengals or Mississippi St-South Carolina.

You would have reached a different conclusion if you'd seen any of the early games featuring the scab players in the '87 season. Slapstick.

Hey, Cap'n Cat was a scab player. They weren't that bad, were they?

[CAA Flagship]

Meh. I think the game is the product more than the players. A large percentage of people couldn't tell the difference in talent between games that matched Ravens-Bengals or Mississippi St-South Carolina.

You would have reached a different conclusion if you'd seen any of the early games featuring the scab players in the '87 season. Slapstick.

Did they have an entire off-season and an entire training camp to prepare for any of those games? They had a couple of weeks and only a small percentage of them were in physical "game" shape. So stop it.

[houndawg]

You would have reached a different conclusion if you'd seen any of the early games featuring the scab players in the '87 season. Slapstick.

Hey, Cap'n Cat was a scab player. They weren't that bad, were they?

I'm not a good judge of line play, but the play at the skill positions was awful to the point of embarrassment. I doubt any of those guys saved any film of themselves playing.

[Gil Dobie]

Hey, Cap'n Cat was a scab player. They weren't that bad, were they?

I'm not a good judge of line play, but the play at the skill positions was awful to the point of embarrassment. I doubt any of those guys saved any film of themselves playing.

I didn't watch any of the scab games, so just wondering.

[houndawg]

You would have reached a different conclusion if you'd seen any of the early games featuring the scab players in the '87 season. Slapstick.

Did they have an entire off-season and an entire training camp to prepare for any of those games? They had a couple of weeks and only a small percentage of them were in physical "game" shape. So stop it.

Bullshit. There was an entire country full of college players in great shape. The difference was enormous and readily visible to me and it wasn't because I played organized ball for six years, it was something clearly visible even your only football experience came from TV. I felt sorry for those guys.

[houndawg]

I'm not a good judge of line play, but the play at the skill positions was awful to the point of embarrassment. I doubt any of those guys saved any film of themselves playing.

I didn't watch any of the scab games, so just wondering.

I was already pretty much done watching NFL but I did watch those out of curiosity. The players were clearly smaller and slower and I think almost any D1 college team would have given them a schoolin'

[kalm]

You would have reached a different conclusion if you'd seen any of the early games featuring the scab players in the '87 season. Slapstick.

Did they have an entire off-season and an entire training camp to prepare for any of those games? They had a couple of weeks and only a small percentage of them were in physical "game" shape. So stop it.

It’s both the game and the product but there’s a reason entertainment workers are referred to as “the talent”. If there’s not enough of it, the game suffers. People don’t shell out 100’s of dollars to watch HS football or club professional golf.

[CAA Flagship]

I'm not a good judge of line play, but the play at the skill positions was awful to the point of embarrassment. I doubt any of those guys saved any film of themselves playing.

I didn't watch any of the scab games, so just wondering.

The game that was played was very vanilla because there wasn't much time to to install a variety of plays and defensive schemes. But at least 1/3 of these guys were interchangeable with 1/3 of the NFL players (if given the time to prepare). Many were 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team All-Conference players in college. Some actually earned roster spots after the strike was over but most did not because of the locker room friction it would cause, despite being worthy. One guy played 7 years in the NFL. But to houndawy's point, the play was poor, but it was more because they just didn't have much time to get in shape or prepare for the offensive/defensive plays.

[Gil Dobie]

Did they have an entire off-season and an entire training camp to prepare for any of those games? They had a couple of weeks and only a small percentage of them were in physical "game" shape. So stop it.

It’s both the game and the product but there’s a reason entertainment workers are referred to as “the talent”. If there’s not enough of it, the game suffers. People don’t shell out 100’s of dollars to watch HS football or club professional golf.

You ain't from Texas son.

[kalm]

It’s both the game and the product but there’s a reason entertainment workers are referred to as “the talent”. If there’s not enough of it, the game suffers. People don’t shell out 100’s of dollars to watch HS football or club professional golf.

You ain't from Texas son.

Thank god...but good point.

Reminds of a couple of golfing buddies (Mel and John) who I used to play with. They were both around a 10 handicap, liked to wager, and bickered like an old married couple. They were playing a match one day and Mel, who was a huge Nicklaus fan wouldn't shut up about having once watched Jack play an exhibition in Spokane and how great he was. Mel was beating John pretty good that round when John, finally fed up with all the Nicklaus talk turns to Mel and says "Man, I wouldn't pay 10 bucks to watch Nicklaus play" to which Mel replied "Why? You're paying $20 to watch me."

[Gil Dobie]

You ain't from Texas son.

Thank god...but good point.

Reminds of a couple of golfing buddies (Mel and John) who I used to play with. They were both around a 10 handicap, liked to wager, and bickered like an old married couple. They were playing a match one day and Mel, who was a huge Nicklaus fan wouldn't shut up about having once watched Jack play an exhibition in Spokane and how great he was. Mel was beating John pretty good that round when John, finally fed up with all the Nicklaus talk turns to Mel and says "Man, I wouldn't pay 10 bucks to watch Nicklaus play" to which Mel replied "Why? You're paying $20 to watch me."

Great story