Israel-Palestine Drama Thread

[kalm]

[kalm]

Something tells me that the IDF isn’t using our $’s and weaponry to kill the right people…

[kalm]

[BDKJMU]

How would Cent know?

Was he there? Remember when the IDF allegedly bombed a hospital?

Were there Hamas terrorists operating inside of or next to the school?

Did Hamas have a weapons cache at the school?

[kalm]

How would Cent know?

Was he there? Remember when the IDF allegedly bombed a hospital?

Were there Hamas terrorists operating inside of or next to the school?

Did Hamas have a weapons cache at the school?

Yes…they bombed hospitals, schools, aid workers, food stations. It’s all been reported and is easily available.

[BDKJMU]

How would Cent know?

Was he there? Remember when the IDF allegedly bombed a hospital?

Were there Hamas terrorists operating inside of or next to the school?

Did Hamas have a weapons cache at the school?

Yes…they bombed hospitals, schools, aid workers, food stations. It’s all been reported and is easily available.

Yes, I’m sure easily available from reporting and footage provided by Palestinian authorities. And I’m sure none of were being used by Hamas at all either.

[GannonFan]

How would Cent know?

Was he there? Remember when the IDF allegedly bombed a hospital?

Were there Hamas terrorists operating inside of or next to the school?

Did Hamas have a weapons cache at the school?

Yes…they bombed hospitals, schools, aid workers, food stations. It’s all been reported and is easily available.

It's a terrible situation. Hamas wants Israel to bomb places like hospitals, schools, etc. because Hamas wants more Palestinian civilian casualties. If the means they need to set up shop in hospitals, schools, etc, to get the human shields they need then that's what they'll do. Israel's inability to avoid unnecessary civilian deaths coupled with Hamas's desire to maximize the number of civilian deaths is awful. As is Hamas's continued holding of hostages from their original Oct 7th assault on Israeli civilians.

[kalm]

Yes…they bombed hospitals, schools, aid workers, food stations. It’s all been reported and is easily available.

Yes, I’m sure easily available from reporting and footage provided by Palestinian authorities. And I’m sure none of were being used by Hamas at all either.

Jeebus, man…pull yourself for at least one minute away from right wing propagandists. Every news agency in the world has been covering this for almost a year including the parts you want to ignore.

[kalm]

Yes…they bombed hospitals, schools, aid workers, food stations. It’s all been reported and is easily available.

It's a terrible situation. Hamas wants Israel to bomb places like hospitals, schools, etc. because Hamas wants more Palestinian civilian casualties. If the means they need to set up shop in hospitals, schools, etc, to get the human shields they need then that's what they'll do. Israel's inability to avoid unnecessary civilian deaths coupled with Hamas's desire to maximize the number of civilian deaths is awful. As is Hamas's continued holding of hostages from their original Oct 7th assault on Israeli civilians.

Of course they do.

Hamas are terrorist thugs. They use civilians as fodder and will take advantage of any means at their disposal to win. It’s rather unsurprising given their history and massive deficits in this war.

They’re not good people. The same can sadly now be said regarding the IDF. Show me how their tactics are good for their country in the long term. Even if they finish leveling Gaza and gentrify it into a coastal riviera will Israel have created more or less enemies?

[GannonFan]

It's a terrible situation. Hamas wants Israel to bomb places like hospitals, schools, etc. because Hamas wants more Palestinian civilian casualties. If the means they need to set up shop in hospitals, schools, etc, to get the human shields they need then that's what they'll do. Israel's inability to avoid unnecessary civilian deaths coupled with Hamas's desire to maximize the number of civilian deaths is awful. As is Hamas's continued holding of hostages from their original Oct 7th assault on Israeli civilians.

Of course they do.

Hamas are terrorist thugs. They use civilians as fodder and will take advantage of any means at their disposal to win. It’s rather unsurprising given their history and massive deficits in this war.

They’re not good people. The same can sadly now be said regarding the IDF. Show me how their tactics are good for their country in the long term. Even if they finish leveling Gaza and gentrify it into a coastal riviera will Israel have created more or less enemies?

I hear what you're saying, certainly. My question would be, though, is whether they've created any more enemies? People who were antisemitic before this are still antisemitic now. People who were anti-Zionist before are still anti-Zionist now. Those two groups already represented a pretty large majority of the world before any of this happened - even if a few more side with those positions now, does it really move the needle? Remember, after October 7, before Israel had responded or made any military move, the protests around the world and on our college campuses were already in full steam, and they weren't critical of the mass rapes/killings and hostage taking.

[kalm]

Both sides do it.

Israeli forces in Gaza ‘use civilians as human shields’ against possible booby-traps

Newspaper and campaign group allege Palestinians are sent ahead of troops into buildings or tunnels that need clearing

Israeli soldiers are using Palestinian civilians as human shields in Gaza to enter and clear tunnels and buildings they suspect may have been booby-trapped, a leading Israeli NGO and newspaper have reported.

The practice was so widespread across different units fighting in Gaza that it could in effect be considered a “protocol”, said Nadav Weiman, the executive director of Breaking the Silence, a group founded by Israeli combat veterans to document military abuses.

The group has collected testimony describing the practice from veterans of the 10-month war in Gaza. The accounts they have heard match those reported in an investigation by the newspaper Haaretz, which claimed that the chief of staff’s office was aware of the practice.

“The senior ranks know about it,” one source said to have taken part in finding civilians to serve as human shields told the paper. “Our lives are more important than their lives,” Haaretz quoted commanders telling their soldiers.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... ooby-traps

[GannonFan]

Both sides do it.

Israeli forces in Gaza ‘use civilians as human shields’ against possible booby-traps

Newspaper and campaign group allege Palestinians are sent ahead of troops into buildings or tunnels that need clearing

Israeli soldiers are using Palestinian civilians as human shields in Gaza to enter and clear tunnels and buildings they suspect may have been booby-trapped, a leading Israeli NGO and newspaper have reported.

The practice was so widespread across different units fighting in Gaza that it could in effect be considered a “protocol”, said Nadav Weiman, the executive director of Breaking the Silence, a group founded by Israeli combat veterans to document military abuses.

The group has collected testimony describing the practice from veterans of the 10-month war in Gaza. The accounts they have heard match those reported in an investigation by the newspaper Haaretz, which claimed that the chief of staff’s office was aware of the practice.

“The senior ranks know about it,” one source said to have taken part in finding civilians to serve as human shields told the paper. “Our lives are more important than their lives,” Haaretz quoted commanders telling their soldiers.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... ooby-traps

Reprehensible, absolutely. But you don't hear the Israeli's trumpeting this tactic. Meanwhile, Hamas does everything possible to get civilians killed so they can trumpet those numbers. Like how they kept hostages in a refugee camp completely unknown to the poor refugees who sought safety there, not knowing they were harboring a Hamas hostage location. In the end, though, it just sucks for the Palestinian people. They have no genuine leadership with any idea of how to give them peace and security. And college kids here in America setting up tent-camps and championing that bad leadership by cheering on Hamas and the Intifada are mainly clueless about what they're doing.

[kalm]

Both sides do it.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... ooby-traps

Reprehensible, absolutely. But you don't hear the Israeli's trumpeting this tactic. Meanwhile, Hamas does everything possible to get civilians killed so they can trumpet those numbers. Like how they kept hostages in a refugee camp completely unknown to the poor refugees who sought safety there, not knowing they were harboring a Hamas hostage location. In the end, though, it just sucks for the Palestinian people. They have no genuine leadership with any idea of how to give them peace and security. And college kids here in America setting up tent-camps and championing that bad leadership by cheering on Hamas and the Intifada are mainly clueless about what they're doing.

Yeah cheering for Hamas is as bad as cheering for the IDF. Although I’d like to think a good chunk of the protests are anti-genocide vs. pro Hamas.

On the other hand, is pro - Palestinian any worse than pro-Israel?

[GannonFan]

Reprehensible, absolutely. But you don't hear the Israeli's trumpeting this tactic. Meanwhile, Hamas does everything possible to get civilians killed so they can trumpet those numbers. Like how they kept hostages in a refugee camp completely unknown to the poor refugees who sought safety there, not knowing they were harboring a Hamas hostage location. In the end, though, it just sucks for the Palestinian people. They have no genuine leadership with any idea of how to give them peace and security. And college kids here in America setting up tent-camps and championing that bad leadership by cheering on Hamas and the Intifada are mainly clueless about what they're doing.

Yeah cheering for Hamas is as bad as cheering for the IDF. Although I’d like to think a good chunk of the protests are anti-genocide vs. pro Hamas.

On the other hand, is pro - Palestinian any worse than pro-Israel?

Is anyone cheering for the IDF? And are there even any pro-Israel rallies? Even if there are, they're certainly swamped by the Pro-Palestinian rallies that include promotions for Hamas and the Intifada. I'd like to think the protests are anti-genocide too, but all those Hamas signs keep getting in the way.

Once again, the Palestinian people are simply a political football that gets tossed back and forth. Unfortunately for them, thousands of them die while these political games are waged. Peace has been there as an option for them, but politicians (Arafat, Hamas, etc) who don't care about peace have always gotten in the way.

[Caribbean Hen]

Haitians have it worse

Not a peep from anybody that matters

And like 500 miles from Florida

[Bobcat]

How would Cent know?

Was he there? Remember when the IDF allegedly bombed a hospital?

Were there Hamas terrorists operating inside of or next to the school?

Did Hamas have a weapons cache at the school?

Yes…they bombed hospitals, schools, aid workers, food stations. It’s all been reported and is easily available.

Its war, so what. Do this and even more to win. Nothing is sacred in war if you want to end it fast. Fuck other countries feelings get it done.

[kalm]

Yes…they bombed hospitals, schools, aid workers, food stations. It’s all been reported and is easily available.

Its war, so what. Do this and even more to win. Nothing is sacred in war if you want to end it fast. Fuck other countries feelings get it done.

Innocent life is still sacred.

[Bobcat]

Its war, so what. Do this and even more to win. Nothing is sacred in war if you want to end it fast. Fuck other countries feelings get it done.

Innocent life is still sacred.

Then the people that attacked Israel should have thought about that before they killed their own kids.

[kalm]

Innocent life is still sacred.

Then the people that attacked Israel should have thought about that before they killed their own kids.

Indeed they should have but killing the innocent is also partly Israel’s choice.

Perhaps the Palestinians shouldn’t have voted Hamas into power. Or accepted the late 90’s/early 200’s peace deal.

Or perhaps Israel shouldn’t have enforced an apartheid state for the last 50 years.

Loads of blame on both sides.

[GannonFan]

Then the people that attacked Israel should have thought about that before they killed their own kids.

Indeed they should have but killing the innocent is also partly Israel’s choice.

Perhaps the Palestinians shouldn’t have voted Hamas into power. Or accepted the late 90’s/early 200’s peace deal.

Or perhaps Israel shouldn’t have enforced an apartheid state for the last 50 years.

Loads of blame on both sides.

Make sure to throw the Catholic Church (my church actually) in there for stoking antisemitism for almost 2000 years by blaming all Jews for the death of Jesus. Remember, Vatican II was just under 60 years ago, it's only recently that the Church stopped blaming them.

[Caribbean Hen]

Then the people that attacked Israel should have thought about that before they killed their own kids.

Indeed they should have but killing the innocent is also partly Israel’s choice.

Perhaps the Palestinians shouldn’t have voted Hamas into power. Or accepted the late 90’s/early 200’s peace deal.

Or perhaps Israel shouldn’t have enforced an apartheid state for the last 50 years.

Loads of blame on both sides.

Perhaps Joey Rotten could of been tough on Iran

But you got your war

[Bobcat]

Indeed they should have but killing the innocent is also partly Israel’s choice.

Perhaps the Palestinians shouldn’t have voted Hamas into power. Or accepted the late 90’s/early 200’s peace deal.

Or perhaps Israel shouldn’t have enforced an apartheid state for the last 50 years.

Loads of blame on both sides.

Make sure to throw the Catholic Church (my church actually) in there for stoking antisemitism for almost 2000 years by blaming all Jews for the death of Jesus. Remember, Vatican II was just under 60 years ago, it's only recently that the Church stopped blaming them.

So the jews didnt kill Jesus?

[UNI88]

Make sure to throw the Catholic Church (my church actually) in there for stoking antisemitism for almost 2000 years by blaming all Jews for the death of Jesus. Remember, Vatican II was just under 60 years ago, it's only recently that the Church stopped blaming them.

So the jews didnt kill Jesus?

Pontius Pilate was Jewish?

[Caribbean Hen]

So the jews didnt kill Jesus?

Pontius Pilate was Jewish?

Didn’t Jesus tell Pilote everything is fixed and you can’t change it….

[Bobcat]

So the jews didnt kill Jesus?

Pontius Pilate was Jewish?