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Highly trained personnel employed with the private security firm formerly known as Blackwater Worldwide sometimes operated side by side with CIA field officers in Iraq and Afghanistan as the agency undertook missions to kill or capture members of insurgent groups in those countries, according to a former government official and a source familiar with the operations.

The actions taken by the private personnel went beyond the protective role specified in a classified Blackwater contract with the CIA and included active participation in raids overseen by CIA or special forces personnel, these sources said. They emphasized that roles and responsibilities often are blurred or altered in a battlefield setting, and that Blackwater personnel were drawn into the operations on an ad-hoc basis because they were present and had the necessary skills

dbackjon wrote:This is a bad thing - the whole Privatizing the military is a horrid idea, and bad for democracy in the long run.

AZGrizFan wrote:

dbackjon wrote:This is a bad thing - the whole Privatizing the military is a horrid idea, and bad for democracy in the long run.

So's socializing health care, but that's not stopping Obama now, is it?

Cap'n Cat wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
So's socializing health care, but that's not stopping Obama now, is it?

Sh*t, Z, costs are out of control. The government has the power and resources to help change it. You clowns make it out to be some Cold War, communist cloak-and-dagger thing. You don't know what will happen, you're only guessing wildly and parroting the whackjobs on your side.

Chizzang wrote:I like it...

Close 600 of the 800 global US military bases... bring the guys at the closed bases home.
Enlarge the remaining bases 200 considerably

hook the CIA NSA FBI MIB NBA and NFL up with Black Water connections and get freaky on the rest of the world STAT..!!! Good times

Cap'n Cat wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
So's socializing health care, but that's not stopping Obama now, is it?

Sh*t, Z, costs are out of control. The government has the power and resources to help change it. You clowns make it out to be some Cold War, communist cloak-and-dagger thing. You don't know what will happen, you're only guessing wildly and parroting the whackjobs on your side.

Cap'n Cat wrote:

Chizzang wrote:I like it...

Close 600 of the 800 global US military bases... bring the guys at the closed bases home.
Enlarge the remaining bases 200 considerably

hook the CIA NSA FBI MIB NBA and NFL up with Black Water connections and get freaky on the rest of the world STAT..!!! Good times

Yeah, but we gotta have jobs for them. There ain't that many forkift driver or mall cop jobs to accommodate returning soldiers.

AZGrizFan wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote: Sh*t, Z, costs are out of control. The government has the power and resources to help change it. You clowns make it out to be some Cold War, communist cloak-and-dagger thing. You don't know what will happen, you're only guessing wildly and parroting the whackjobs on your side.

Our government has neither the power (yet) NOR the resources (EVER) to "change" it. Government is, by definition, inefficient. I have absolutely ZERO faith that the government can deliver anything even CLOSE to what it's promised in the latest iteration of it's "plan".

Cap'n Cat wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote: Our government has neither the power (yet) NOR the resources (EVER) to "change" it. Government is, by definition, inefficient. I have absolutely ZERO faith that the government can deliver anything even CLOSE to what it's promised in the latest iteration of it's "plan".

You have an opinion on it, Z, and that's admirable. Can you provide some detail on the bolded and italicized verbiage above? By definition it's inefficient? That's not true. It certainly may have become inefficient in many areas, but, by definition it is?

AZGrizFan wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:

You have an opinion on it, Z, and that's admirable. Can you provide some detail on the bolded and italicized verbiage above? By definition it's inefficient? That's not true. It certainly may have become inefficient in many areas, but, by definition it is?

Yes, "by definition". The founding fathers set it up that way so it would stay out of OUR ways. Government=inefficiency. Look it up---it's in the dicshunary.

Cap'n Cat wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Yes, "by definition". The founding fathers set it up that way so it would stay out of OUR ways. Government=inefficiency. Look it up---it's in the dicshunary.

It's been proven over and over and over through the centuries that our beloved Constie is a flexible document and, for the most part, government has used it for good. This intervention is necessary, Z. It ain't 1776, mon frere. It ain't even 1976!

AZGrizFan wrote:

Cap'n Cat wrote:

It's been proven over and over and over through the centuries that our beloved Constie is a flexible document and, for the most part, government has used it for good. This intervention is necessary, Z. It ain't 1776, mon frere. It ain't even 1976!

Being flexible, and bringing the country to it's financial knees through entitlement programs, are two completely different things. At least in this conk's book.