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Posted: **Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:58 am**

Maybe if Dick Cheney joined Al Qaeda our current government would be a little less easy on them?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opini ... 87322.html

Posted: **Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:01 am**

We could really use a steady hand on the tiller while dealing with national security matters, but the White House is still in campaign mode, worried about what a private citizen -- who left office remarkably unpopular! -- thinks of them.

Suffice to say, this is not reassuring.

Posted: **Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:06 am**

Did Cheney attack Bush when he took SIX days to respond to the Shoe Bomber?

NOPE

Once again, Republican hypocrasy reels in ditto-heading sheep.

Posted: **Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:08 am**

dbackjon wrote:Did Cheney attack Bush when he took SIX days to respond to the Shoe Bomber?

NOPE

Once again, Republican hypocrasy reels in ditto-heading sheep.

Hey, myron, this isn't about THAT. There's already a thread about that topic. This is about the current occupant of the White House's unhealthy obsession with Dick Cheney.

Try to stay on topic.

Posted: **Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:10 am**

AZGrizFan wrote:
dbackjon wrote:Did Cheney attack Bush when he took SIX days to respond to the Shoe Bomber?

NOPE

Once again, Republican hypocrasy reels in ditto-heading sheep.
Hey, myron, this isn't about THAT. There's already a thread about that topic. This is about the current occupant of the White House's unhealthy obsession with Dick Cheney.

Try to stay on topic.

LMAO - how easily you conks are confused

Posted: **Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:19 am**

dbackjon wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Hey, myron, this isn't about THAT. There's already a thread about that topic. This is about the current occupant of the White House's unhealthy obsession with Dick Cheney.

Try to stay on topic.
LMAO - how easily you conks are confused

The only thing that confuses me is I thought you were smarter than that.

I guess not.

Posted: **Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:50 am**

AZGrizFan wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
LMAO - how easily you conks are confused
The only thing that confuses me is I thought you were smarter than that.

I guess not.

It's about both...
The Republicans right now are so busy being hypocrites they are actually making some decent points about the ridiculousness of POLITICS... points that were made during the BUSH debacle of a presidency

Yeah... Obama took 4 days to respond
Yeah... Bush took a week to respond
Yeah... Obama is tired of the conservative endless attack on everything he does, even when it's what their great war hero Bush did
Yeah... it's all petty and stupid and takes our eye off the ball

The point is:
Obama is the best option of the two clowns that we could chose from for the office

If the Republicans don't like it put somebody up there in four years who's better

Don't count on it...

so we're reduced to this:
Infighting back stabbing bickering stupidity sarcasm hypocritical attacks

Posted: **Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:52 am**

Actually, the point is: It took Obama 4 days to respond to a terrorist attack, but only 4 hours to respond to a Dick Cheney attack.

Posted: **Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:19 pm**

Dick Cheney is more dangerous than aq.

Posted: **Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:26 pm**

kalm wrote:Dick Cheney is more dangerous than aq.

Way to go, kalm! You've just dissipated whatever credibility you had on this site!

Posted: **Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:49 pm**

Chizzang wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
The only thing that confuses me is I thought you were smarter than that.

I guess not.
It's about both...
The Republicans right now are so busy being hypocrites they are actually making some decent points about the ridiculousness of POLITICS... points that were made during the BUSH debacle of a presidency

Yeah... Obama took 4 days to respond
Yeah... Bush took a week to respond
Yeah... Obama is tired of the conservative endless attack on everything he does, even when it's what their great war hero Bush did
Yeah... it's all petty and stupid and takes our eye off the ball

The point is:
Obama is the best option of the two clowns that we could chose from for the office

If the Republicans don't like it put somebody up there in four years who's better
Don't count on it...

so we're reduced to this:
Infighting back stabbing bickering stupidity sarcasm hypocritical attacks

Define "best."

Posted: **Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:54 pm**

Ivytalk wrote:
kalm wrote:Dick Cheney is more dangerous than aq.
Way to go, kalm! You've just dissipated whatever credibility you had on this site!

Cheney lives for organizations like Al Qaeda... it makes his global philosophy meaningful

Even back in the 90's when his global philosophy helped fund, arm and create Bin Laden and Al Qaeda

Bin Laden - Al Qaeda - Dick Cheney are all part of the same philosophy
They (the three) need each other to remain relevant - one cannot exist without the others

Posted: **Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:04 pm**

Ivytalk wrote:
kalm wrote:Dick Cheney is more dangerous than aq.
Way to go, kalm! You've just dissipated whatever credibility you had on this site!

Kalm reports, you decide.

Posted: **Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:12 pm**

Posted: **Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:12 pm**

Dick Cheney...0-1 versus Al Qaueda.

Posted: **Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:29 pm**

kalm wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:
Way to go, kalm! You've just dissipated whatever credibility you had on this site!
Kalm reports, you decide.

I wouldn't worry too much about ones credibility (real or imagined) on this forum...
I lost mine years ago

And as far as Al Qaeda vs. Cheney
The last thing the Bush administration ever wanted to do (in order) was:
1) Catch Bin Laden
2) Destroy Al Qaeda

how else would they:
1) defend their ridiculous ideology
2) Triple their stock portfolios
3) Hand out no contest billion dollar project
4) Lose 10 Billion dollars (my favorite)
5) frighten Americans into surrendering the constitution
6) erase their draft dodging memories and self loathing

Posted: **Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:15 pm**

AZGrizFan wrote:
dbackjon wrote:Did Cheney attack Bush when he took SIX days to respond to the Shoe Bomber?

NOPE

Once again, Republican hypocrasy reels in ditto-heading sheep.
Hey, myron, this isn't about THAT. There's already a thread about that topic. This is about the current occupant of the White House's unhealthy obsession with Dick Cheney.

Try to stay on topic.

I think we should start a thread about YOUR obsession with the current occupant of the White House, that way we don't have to listen to you bitch about him in every damn thread on the board.

Posted: **Sat Jan 02, 2010 7:47 am**

Chizzang wrote:
kalm wrote:
Kalm reports, you decide.
I wouldn't worry too much about ones credibility (real or imagined) on this forum...
I lost mine years ago

And as far as Al Qaeda vs. Cheney
The last thing the Bush administration ever wanted to do (in order) was:
1) Catch Bin Laden
2) Destroy Al Qaeda

how else would they:
1) defend their ridiculous ideology
2) Triple their stock portfolios
3) Hand out no contest billion dollar project
4) Lose 10 Billion dollars (my favorite)
5) frighten Americans into surrendering the constitution
6) erase their draft dodging memories and self loathing

Bush wasn't a draft dodger, that was Cheney.

Bush was a deserter.

Posted: **Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:01 am**

Grizalltheway wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Hey, myron, this isn't about THAT. There's already a thread about that topic. This is about the current occupant of the White House's unhealthy obsession with Dick Cheney.

Try to stay on topic.
I think we should start a thread about YOUR obsession with the current occupant of the White House, that way we don't have to listen to you bitch about him in every damn thread on the board.

Stop spewing such venom at your fellow Montana fan, Young Streetwalker! Unseemly it is!

Posted: **Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:01 am**

Everyones acting like this is a new trend in Washington. This BS game or cat and mouse has been going on for a very long time.

Posted: **Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:12 pm**

Chizzang wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:
Way to go, kalm! You've just dissipated whatever credibility you had on this site!
Cheney lives for organizations like Al Qaeda... it makes his global philosophy meaningful
Even back in the 90's when his global philosophy helped fund, arm and create Bin Laden and Al Qaeda

Bin Laden - Al Qaeda - Dick Cheney are all part of the same philosophy
They (the three) need each other to remain relevant - one cannot exist without the others

What a useless crackpot analysis. You couldn't even use that shit for fertilizer.

The three who need each other are cleets, kalm and cap*.

*Pick any of a number of nut job screamers for the third co-dependent douche.

Posted: **Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:16 pm**

native wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Cheney lives for organizations like Al Qaeda... it makes his global philosophy meaningful
Even back in the 90's when his global philosophy helped fund, arm and create Bin Laden and Al Qaeda

Bin Laden - Al Qaeda - Dick Cheney are all part of the same philosophy
They (the three) need each other to remain relevant - one cannot exist without the others

What a useless crackpot analysis. You couldn't even use that shit for fertilizer.

The three who need each other are cleets, kalm and cap*.

*Pick any of a number of nut job screamers for the third co-dependent douche.

Sorry to poke fun at your 5 time draft dodging hero Cheney...
but he created Bin Laden - it's Bush #1 - The CIA & Cheney's frankenstien we're fighting today and anybody who cares to read (even a little bit) already acknowledges that fact...

Milt Bearden, the CIA's station chief in Pakistan from 1986 to 1990 fully admits to knowing exactly what Bin Laden and the mujaheddin were doing during that period and the CIA's military support and training...

The November 1, 1998, British Independent reported that one of those charged with the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Ali Mohammed, was personally involved with and trained with “bin Laden's operatives” in 1989

After the mujaheddin took Kabul in 1992 and appointed Hekmatyar as prime minister (or whatever he called himself) nobody even tried to hide that US-supplied missiles and rockets arrived in container loads
and everybody knew Osama bin Laden was a close associate of Hekmatyar and his faction... and this was OLD NEWS - we'd been overtly training and supplying those guys for over 5 years at that point...

Bin Laden has simply continued to do the job he was trained to do by us in Afghanistan during the 1980s which is fund, feed and train mercenaries.

The only thing that has changed is his primary customer - Then it was the ISI and the CIA - Today his services are utilized by the Taliban - Bin Laden only became a “terrorist” in US eyes when the power structure changed and the Russians went home... He's remained completely consistent - in fact remarkably consistent - compared to the U.S.A. and our fluctuating international behavior

Try to catch up on your homework native...

everything I've said in this post isn't even denied by the CIA or Bush #1... it's old news

Posted: **Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:31 pm**

Chizzang wrote:
native wrote:
What a useless crackpot analysis. You couldn't even use that **** for fertilizer.

The three who need each other are cleets, kalm and cap*.

*Pick any of a number of nut job screamers for the third co-dependent douche.
Sorry to poke fun at your 5 time draft dodging hero Cheney...
but he created Bin Laden - it's Bush #1 - The CIA & Cheney's frankenstien we're fighting today and anybody who cares to read (even a little bit) already acknowledges that fact...

Milt Bearden, the CIA's station chief in Pakistan from 1986 to 1990 fully admits to knowing exactly what Bin Laden and the mujaheddin were doing during that period and the CIA's military support and training...

The November 1, 1998, British Independent reported that one of those charged with the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Ali Mohammed, was personally involved with and trained with “bin Laden's operatives” in 1989

After the mujaheddin took Kabul in 1992 and appointed Hekmatyar as prime minister (or whatever he called himself) nobody even tried to hide that US-supplied missiles and rockets arrived in container loads
and everybody knew Osama bin Laden was a close associate of Hekmatyar and his faction... and this was OLD NEWS - we'd been overtly training and supplying those guys for over 5 years at that point...

Bin Laden has simply continued to do the job he was trained to do by us in Afghanistan during the 1980s which is fund, feed and train mercenaries.

The only thing that has changed is his primary customer - Then it was the ISI and the CIA - Today his services are utilized by the Taliban - Bin Laden only became a “terrorist” in US eyes when the power structure changed and the Russians went home... He's remained completely consistent - in fact remarkably consistent - compared to the U.S.A. and our fluctuating international behavior

Try to catch up on your homework native... everything I've said in this post isn't even denied by the CIA or Bush #1... it's old news

I am aware of the blowback caused by our support of the mujahideen in their war against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

It's not the facts, but your overblown, personalized analysis that is bullshit.

But you already know that. Consider your bait to have been successful.

Posted: **Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:59 pm**

Glenn Greenwald nails the failure of the Cheney mindset in another brilliant analisys on governance through fear. It's un-american:

John Adams, in his 1776 Thoughts on Government, put it this way:
Fear is the foundation of most governments; but it is so sordid and brutal a passion, and renders men in whose breasts it predominates so stupid and miserable, that Americans will not be likely to approve of any political institution which is founded on it.

As Adams noted, political leaders possess an inherent interest in maximizing fear levels, as that is what maximizes their power. For a variety of reasons, nobody aids this process more than our establishment media, motivated by their own interests in ratcheting up fear and Terrorism melodrama as high as possible. The result is a citizenry far more terrorized by our own institutions than foreign Terrorists could ever dream of achieving on their own. For that reason, a risk that is completely dwarfed by numerous others -- the risk of death from Islamic Terrorism -- dominates our discourse, paralyzes us with fear, leads us to destroy our economic security and eradicate countless lives in more and more foreign wars, and causes us to beg and plead and demand that our political leaders invade more of our privacy, seize more of our freedom, and radically alter the system of government we were supposed to have. The one thing we don't do is ask whether we ourselves are doing anything to fuel this problem and whether we should stop doing it. As Adams said: fear "renders men in whose breasts it predominates so stupid and miserable."

These are the calculations that are now virtually impossible to find in our political discourse. It is fear, and only fear, that predominates. No other competing values are recognized. We have Chris Matthews running around shrieking that he's scared of kung-fu-wielding Terrorists. Michael Chertoff is demanding that we stop listening to "privacy ideologues" -- i.e., that there should be no limits on Government's power to invade and monitor and scrutinize. Republican leaders have spent the decade preaching that only Government-provided Safety, not the Constitution, matters. All in response to this week's single failed terrorist attack, there are -- as always -- hysterical calls that we start more wars, initiate racial profiling, imprison innocent people indefinitely, and torture even more indiscriminately. These are the by-products of the weakness and panic and paralyzing fear that Americans have been fed in the name of Terrorism, continuously for a full decade now.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/01/02

Now where I have heard those type of hyterics before.

Posted: **Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:21 pm**

kalm wrote:Glenn Greenwald nails the failure of the Cheney mindset in another brilliant analisys on governance through fear. It's un-american:

John Adams, in his 1776 Thoughts on Government, put it this way:
Fear is the foundation of most governments; but it is so sordid and brutal a passion, and renders men in whose breasts it predominates so stupid and miserable, that Americans will not be likely to approve of any political institution which is founded on it.

Agreed...
Now I wish the present administration would quit with the fear tactics associated with Global Warming and health Care Reform...

Slow and steady reform works better than thoughtless BALLS OUT and political bribery as well as slow and steady improvements in Automotive mileage and transitioning away from carbon based fuels and slow and steady improvements in manufacturing waste and production waste and pollution...

I have a real distaste for knee jerk politics - in all its forms - the mad RUSH to bomb Iraq is simply just another example of HIGH-SPEED political stupidity

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