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Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby CID1990 » Sat May 18, 2019 11:12 pm

Chizzang wrote:
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No, klam,

It doesn’t take a salesman to convince people of a basic truth


Didn't Reagan grow the Federal Government by something like 43%
That might not be exactly right but it was something staggering

:lol:

Government is evil, oh wait... here's more money


Right or wrong - none of that changes the premise


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Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby kalm » Sun May 19, 2019 6:45 am

CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Didn't Reagan grow the Federal Government by something like 43%
That might not be exactly right but it was something staggering

:lol:

Government is evil, oh wait... here's more money


Right or wrong - none of that changes the premise


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Further evidence of my point. :lol:

Government is the problem as "truth". It's a simpleton's meme that has the well reasoned CID and UNI88 befuddled.

Can big government be too big? Of course.

Can it be overbearing and limit freedom? Yes.

So if government is THE problem, what's the solution?

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Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby Chizzang » Sun May 19, 2019 10:01 am

CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Didn't Reagan grow the Federal Government by something like 43%
That might not be exactly right but it was something staggering

:lol:

Government is evil, oh wait... here's more money


Right or wrong - none of that changes the premise



Explain the premise to me again..?
How would you define a Republican?
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Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby CID1990 » Sun May 19, 2019 10:11 am

Chizzang wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Right or wrong - none of that changes the premise



Explain the premise to me again..?


That increasing the scope and power of government is not the answer to societal problems.
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Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby CID1990 » Sun May 19, 2019 10:12 am

kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Right or wrong - none of that changes the premise


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Further evidence of my point. :lol:

Government is the problem as "truth". It's a simpleton's meme that has the well reasoned CID and UNI88 befuddled.

Can big government be too big? Of course.

Can it be overbearing and limit freedom? Yes.

So if government is THE problem, what's the solution?

:lol:


You don’t even know what the hell you’re talking about anymore.

Why don’t you make a clear point instead of doing your usual tiptoe dance?

Tiring.
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Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby Chizzang » Sun May 19, 2019 12:20 pm

CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Explain the premise to me again..?


That increasing the scope and power of government is not the answer to societal problems.


What's fascinating is that Reagan became a hero by stating the premise
and then doing the exact opposite

it's strange

It reminds me of "clean the swamp"
and then doing the exact opposite

Like Reagan, Trump will be remembered for his rhetoric and slogans
more than any specific accomplishment
he will be beloved
How would you define a Republican?
"Somebody comfortable betting that science is wrong and oil companies are right..."

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Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby kalm » Sun May 19, 2019 12:28 pm

CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Further evidence of my point. :lol:

Government is the problem as "truth". It's a simpleton's meme that has the well reasoned CID and UNI88 befuddled.

Can big government be too big? Of course.

Can it be overbearing and limit freedom? Yes.

So if government is THE problem, what's the solution?

:lol:


You don’t even know what the hell you’re talking about anymore.

Why don’t you make a clear point instead of doing your usual tiptoe dance?

Tiring.


Wait till I get going! Now, where was I?

Reagan

Oh yes, Reagan! He was a great pitchman for selling vulture capitalism under the guise of ‘Murica and freedom and at the expense of the middle class.

(said in Vizzini’s voice)

Take a nap if you’re tired and then go back to my original response because I pretty much said the same thing. Everything since has pretty much been your smarmy pot shots, lacking substance, but admittedly entertaining.

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Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby houndawg » Sun May 19, 2019 2:30 pm

CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Explain the premise to me again..?


That increasing the scope and power of government is not the answer to societal problems.



Can't be an empire without a lot of government
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Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby houndawg » Sun May 19, 2019 2:32 pm

CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Explain the premise to me again..?


That increasing the scope and power of government is not the answer to societal problems.



Maybe not but you can't be an empire without lots of gubmint. :coffee:
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Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby CID1990 » Sun May 19, 2019 5:24 pm

Chizzang wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
That increasing the scope and power of government is not the answer to societal problems.


What's fascinating is that Reagan became a hero by stating the premise
and then doing the exact opposite

it's strange

It reminds me of "clean the swamp"
and then doing the exact opposite

Like Reagan, Trump will be remembered for his rhetoric and slogans
more than any specific accomplishment
he will be beloved


When I come on here and lay out Reagan’s economic achievements (or a lack thereof), then all of that will be germane to the argument - or whatever this is

Having a reputation that is incongruent with reality is the hallmark of every President since the first one - with one or two exceptions (and Reagan isn’t one of those)

klam’s boner for Reagan is as outsized as Reagan’s reputation - but he gets a win in this thread for the blatantly obvious but mildly successful troll


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Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby Chizzang » Sun May 19, 2019 6:07 pm

CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
What's fascinating is that Reagan became a hero by stating the premise
and then doing the exact opposite

it's strange

It reminds me of "clean the swamp"
and then doing the exact opposite

Like Reagan, Trump will be remembered for his rhetoric and slogans
more than any specific accomplishment
he will be beloved


When I come on here and lay out Reagan’s economic achievements (or a lack thereof), then all of that will be germane to the argument - or whatever this is

Having a reputation that is incongruent with reality is the hallmark of every President since the first one - with one or two exceptions (and Reagan isn’t one of those)

klam’s boner for Reagan is as outsized as Reagan’s reputation - but he gets a win in this thread for the blatantly obvious but mildly successful troll


I mostly look at Reagan as a historical figure in the grandest kind of way
it doesn't bother me that he's worshiped or credited for all variety of accomplishments real and imagined

:geek:

He's part of American folklore now
How would you define a Republican?
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Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby mainejeff » Sun May 19, 2019 6:22 pm

Chizzang wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
That increasing the scope and power of government is not the answer to societal problems.


What's fascinating is that Reagan became a hero by stating the premise
and then doing the exact opposite

it's strange

It reminds me of "clean the swamp"
and then doing the exact opposite

Like Reagan, Trump will be remembered for his rhetoric and slogans
more than any specific accomplishment
he will be beloved


Both are/were celebrities.....entertainment industry veterans....that know/knew how to manipulate the dumbass American public.

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Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby kalm » Sun May 19, 2019 8:09 pm

CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
What's fascinating is that Reagan became a hero by stating the premise
and then doing the exact opposite

it's strange

It reminds me of "clean the swamp"
and then doing the exact opposite

Like Reagan, Trump will be remembered for his rhetoric and slogans
more than any specific accomplishment
he will be beloved


When I come on here and lay out Reagan’s economic achievements (or a lack thereof), then all of that will be germane to the argument - or whatever this is

Having a reputation that is incongruent with reality is the hallmark of every President since the first one - with one or two exceptions (and Reagan isn’t one of those)

klam’s boner for Reagan is as outsized as Reagan’s reputation - but he gets a win in this thread for the blatantly obvious but mildly successful troll


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Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby UNI88 » Mon May 20, 2019 9:51 pm

kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Right or wrong - none of that changes the premise


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Further evidence of my point. :lol:

Government is the problem as "truth". It's a simpleton's meme that has the well reasoned CID and UNI88 befuddled.

Can big government be too big? Of course.

Can it be overbearing and limit freedom? Yes.

So if government is THE problem, what's the solution?

:lol:


Government isn't THE problem, it is a problem and a necessary one at that. The question isn't government, yes or no? The question is how much government.

And I appreciate Reagan for what he accomplished not some mythical ideal that the Tea Partiers and their ilk have memorialized him with. If Reagan were in office today, the alt-right would primary his butt out the door.

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Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby CID1990 » Mon May 20, 2019 10:39 pm

UNI88 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Further evidence of my point. :lol:

Government is the problem as "truth". It's a simpleton's meme that has the well reasoned CID and UNI88 befuddled.

Can big government be too big? Of course.

Can it be overbearing and limit freedom? Yes.

So if government is THE problem, what's the solution?

:lol:


Government isn't THE problem, it is a problem and a necessary one at that. The question isn't government, yes or no? The question is how much government.

And I appreciate Reagan for what he accomplished not some mythical ideal that the Tea Partiers and their ilk have memorialized him with. If Reagan were in office today, the alt-right would primary his butt out the door.


That's true, but if he were here today would he be the Reagan of the 80s? Would Kennedy be the Kennedy of the 60s? How would he have evolved?

There's a dinosaur running for the Dem nomination today who is arguably nothing like his younger self, politically.

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Re: RE: Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby UNI88 » Mon May 20, 2019 10:56 pm

CID1990 wrote:
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Government isn't THE problem, it is a problem and a necessary one at that. The question isn't government, yes or no? The question is how much government.

And I appreciate Reagan for what he accomplished not some mythical ideal that the Tea Partiers and their ilk have memorialized him with. If Reagan were in office today, the alt-right would primary his butt out the door.


That's true, but if he were here today would he be the Reagan of the 80s? Would Kennedy be the Kennedy of the 60s? How would he have evolved?

There's a dinosaur running for the Dem nomination today who is arguably nothing like his younger self, politically.

We get the people we want for the period we are in (and sometimes the people we deserve)
I don't know how Reagan (or Kennedy) would have evolved. I do know that if you dropped the Reagan from the 70s and 80s into today's environment the alt right would attempt to eviscerate him. Yes he cut some taxes and fought the air traffic controllers but he also worked with Tip O'Neill and grew the government.

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Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby CID1990 » Tue May 21, 2019 8:36 am

UNI88 wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
That's true, but if he were here today would he be the Reagan of the 80s? Would Kennedy be the Kennedy of the 60s? How would he have evolved?

There's a dinosaur running for the Dem nomination today who is arguably nothing like his younger self, politically.

We get the people we want for the period we are in (and sometimes the people we deserve)
I don't know how Reagan (or Kennedy) would have evolved. I do know that if you dropped the Reagan from the 70s and 80s into today's environment the alt right would attempt to eviscerate him. Yes he cut some taxes and fought the air traffic controllers but he also worked with Tip O'Neill and grew the government.

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Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby GannonFan » Tue May 21, 2019 9:12 am

CID1990 wrote:
UNI88 wrote:I don't know how Reagan (or Kennedy) would have evolved. I do know that if you dropped the Reagan from the 70s and 80s into today's environment the alt right would attempt to eviscerate him. Yes he cut some taxes and fought the air traffic controllers but he also worked with Tip O'Neill and grew the government.

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Re: RE: Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby UNI88 » Tue May 21, 2019 9:44 am

GannonFan wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Correct

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Hey, I'm still in the middle. It's just that it's lonely here. :(
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Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby houndawg » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:04 am

CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
What's fascinating is that Reagan became a hero by stating the premise
and then doing the exact opposite

it's strange

It reminds me of "clean the swamp"
and then doing the exact opposite

Like Reagan, Trump will be remembered for his rhetoric and slogans
more than any specific accomplishment
he will be beloved


When I come on here and lay out Reagan’s economic achievements (or a lack thereof), then all of that will be germane to the argument - or whatever this is

Having a reputation that is incongruent with reality is the hallmark of every President since the first one - with one or two exceptions (and Reagan isn’t one of those)

klam’s boner for Reagan is as outsized as Reagan’s reputation - but he gets a win in this thread for the blatantly obvious but mildly successful troll


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yeah but its an unearned run - you're getting peevish in your old age :coffee:
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Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby houndawg » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:08 am

UNI88 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Further evidence of my point. :lol:

Government is the problem as "truth". It's a simpleton's meme that has the well reasoned CID and UNI88 befuddled.

Can big government be too big? Of course.

Can it be overbearing and limit freedom? Yes.

So if government is THE problem, what's the solution?

:lol:


Government isn't THE problem, it is a problem and a necessary one at that. The question isn't government, yes or no? The question is how much government.

And I appreciate Reagan for what he accomplished not some mythical ideal that the Tea Partiers and their ilk have memorialized him with. If Reagan were in office today, the alt-right would primary his butt out the door.


Why not? Its not doing anything for us.
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Re: America's Lost Decade

Postby AZGrizFan » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:18 am

kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
You don’t even know what the hell you’re talking about anymore.

Why don’t you make a clear point instead of doing your usual tiptoe dance?

Tiring.


Wait till I get going! Now, where was I?

Reagan

Oh yes, Reagan! He was a great pitchman for selling vulture capitalism under the guise of ‘Murica and freedom and at the expense of the middle class.

(said in Vizzini’s voice)

Take a nap if you’re tired and then go back to my original response because I pretty much said the same thing. Everything since has pretty much been your smarmy pot shots, lacking substance, but admittedly entertaining.

:thumb:


You ARE exactly like Vizzini. Not strong, not athletic, and not nearly as smart as you think you are. You've heard of Plato? Aristotle? Socrates? Morons!

Great choice. :lol: :lol:
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