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Couple of updates from Yemen.

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Though Yemen played an early role in al-Qaida's history — it is Osama bin Laden's ancestral homeland, and it was the staging ground for the 2000 attack on the American destroyer Cole — the key chapters in the story of al-Qaida's rise here have been written recently by leaders who were released from detention at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, escaped from Yemeni prisons or were drawn to shelter here by common cause and ideology.

Said Ali al-Shihri, 36, a Saudi citizen. He was released from six years' detention in Guantanamo Bay in December 2007 to a rehabilitation program run by the Saudis. He disappeared from Saudi Arabia and emerged in Yemen, and he is considered by many to be the rising star of the local movement.

Ibrahim Suleiman al-Rubaysh, 30, who also disappeared and is now described as the mufti, or theological guide, to al-Qaida of the Arabian Peninsula.

Gil Dobie wrote:Couple of updates from Yemen.

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Though Yemen played an early role in al-Qaida's history — it is Osama bin Laden's ancestral homeland, and it was the staging ground for the 2000 attack on the American destroyer Cole — the key chapters in the story of al-Qaida's rise here have been written recently by leaders who were released from detention at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, escaped from Yemeni prisons or were drawn to shelter here by common cause and ideology.

Said Ali al-Shihri, 36, a Saudi citizen. He was released from six years' detention in Guantanamo Bay in December 2007 to a rehabilitation program run by the Saudis. He disappeared from Saudi Arabia and emerged in Yemen, and he is considered by many to be the rising star of the local movement.

Ibrahim Suleiman al-Rubaysh, 30, who also disappeared and is now described as the mufti, or theological guide, to al-Qaida of the Arabian Peninsula.

I don't get it, GD?

So, are you asserting that rather than releasing them prematurely back into the populace, we should have made them complete mandatory vocational rehabilitation classes?

...say...

Leathercrafting?

Food service industry?

Clerical work? (everyone should learn to type at least 30 wpm)

Carpentry? (...or, from where they're from, maybe Masonry...)

Private security?

Master butcher?

Fireworks fabrication?

...or simply...

Quality Assurance testing for a rope manufacturer.

T-man. Do you have any idea who is being hanged in your pivture?

Hell many of the people in Americas jails are in for a second or more offense. Just cause you jail someone won't make them perfect. And you don't have anything to hold them for then you got to let them go.

slycat wrote:Hell many of the people in Americas jails are in for a second or more offense. Just cause you jail someone won't make them perfect. And you don't have anything to hold them for then you got to let them go.

They're not criminals, sly. They're prisoners of war.

AZGrizFan wrote:

slycat wrote:Hell many of the people in Americas jails are in for a second or more offense. Just cause you jail someone won't make them perfect. And you don't have anything to hold them for then you got to let them go.

They're not criminals, sly. They're prisoners of war.

Damn your logic.

Question:
If we are fighting terrorists who are not associated to any country, do they fall under the Geneva Convention since there won't be anyone to sign a peace treaty? And do POWs exist under that type of instance?

dbackjon wrote:T-man. Do you have any idea who is being hanged in your pivture?

Yes.

I searched the internet for days looking for a picture I knew would set you off.

travelinman67 wrote:

dbackjon wrote:T-man. Do you have any idea who is being hanged in your pivture?

Yes.

I searched the internet for days looking for a picture I knew would set you off.

Who is being hung?

Obama released them so he could hunt turn around and hunt them with predator drones.

andy7171 wrote:

travelinman67 wrote:
Yes.

I searched the internet for days looking for a picture I knew would set you off.

Who is being hung?

Two Iranian teenagers who were executed for being gay.

What that has to do with Gitmo is beyond me, since a large number of Christians also advocate executing gays, including some prominent evangelicals here in the United States.

dbackjon wrote:

andy7171 wrote: Who is being hung?

Two Iranian teenagers who were executed for being gay.

What that has to do with Gitmo is beyond me, since a large number of Christians also advocate executing gays, including some prominent evangelicals here in the United States.

Golly, Travis, I didn't know that!

travelinman67 wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Two Iranian teenagers who were executed for being gay.

What that has to do with Gitmo is beyond me, since a large number of Christians also advocate executing gays, including some prominent evangelicals here in the United States.

Golly, Travis, I didn't know that!

That's horrible...they shouldn't be hung for being gay...they should be hung for being Iranian Muslims....

dbackjon wrote:

andy7171 wrote: Who is being hung?

Two Iranian teenagers who were executed for being gay.

What that has to do with Gitmo is beyond me, since a large number of Christians also advocate executing gays, including some prominent evangelicals here in the United States.

Really?
Please define "a large number", and share with us just exactly who you consider "prominent evangelicals".

jon and his hyperbole...

Appaholic wrote:

travelinman67 wrote:
Golly, Travis, I didn't know that!

That's horrible...they shouldn't be hung for being gay...they should be hung for being Iranian Muslims....

Jon'll be back in a few...

...all this talk about gays being "hung" was causing him to feel confused.

Baldy wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Two Iranian teenagers who were executed for being gay.

What that has to do with Gitmo is beyond me, since a large number of Christians also advocate executing gays, including some prominent evangelicals here in the United States.

Really?
Please define "a large number", and share with us just exactly who you consider "prominent evangelicals".

jon and his hyperbole...

You know...

..."prominent evangelicals"...






















...he DIDN'T say "mainstream"....

Christians if Africa, Baldy. Christians in Eastern Europe.

And yes, the Death Penalty for Gays had support from a number of prominent US evangelicals, but most backed off after getting heat about it.

But, they, people like Robertson, Dobson, etc, siill consider the proponent of this, the Ugandan president, to be a friend and Fine Christian Man.

And you naysayers fail to acknoweldge is it is the liberalism of this country that keeps the Christian extremist in check, to a degree.

So most Christian fundies have to be content with the high rate of gay teen self-execution.

dbackjon wrote:And you naysayers fail to acknoweldge is it is the liberalism of this country that keeps the Christian extremist in check, to a degree.

So most Christian fundies have to be content with the high rate of gay teen self-execution.

Does this qualify as a thread Hi-jacking..?
Oh speaking of Hi-jacking - Nothing hi-jacks a Nation faster than its religious Fundamentalists

Chizzang wrote:

dbackjon wrote:And you naysayers fail to acknoweldge is it is the liberalism of this country that keeps the Christian extremist in check, to a degree.

So most Christian fundies have to be content with the high rate of gay teen self-execution.

Does this qualify as a thread Hi-jacking..?
Oh speaking of Hi-jacking - Nothing hi-jacks a Nation faster than its religious Fundamentalists

Anti-Christian hate can't really be counted as a thread-hijack...

...when it's part of the poster's constitutions.

(read: one-trick pony)

dbackjon wrote:And yes, the Death Penalty for Gays had support from a number of prominent US evangelicals, but most backed off after getting heat about it.

Correct observation.

Koresh backed off after getting "heat" about it...

travelinman67 wrote:

Chizzang wrote:

Does this qualify as a thread Hi-jacking..?
Oh speaking of Hi-jacking - Nothing hi-jacks a Nation faster than its religious Fundamentalists

Anti-Christian hate can't really be counted as a thread-hijack...

...when it's part of the poster's constitutions.

(read: one-trick pony)

I'm not Anti-Christian... I'm anti-fundamentalist regarding all religions
There's a HUGE difference



I'm about acceptance and love - not exclusion and control - that's your sweet spot grampa

dbackjon wrote:Christians if Africa, Baldy. Christians in Eastern Europe.

And yes, the Death Penalty for Gays had support from a number of prominent US evangelicals, but most backed off after getting heat about it.

But, they, people like Robertson, Dobson, etc, siill consider the proponent of this, the Ugandan president, to be a friend and Fine Christian Man.

Thanks for clarifying...the president of a 3rd world country on a continent where people are killed for sport regardless of sexual orientation and former Soviet satellite states where people have been killed for for having more than their "fair share".

I'm really surprised you didn't name China or some middle eastern countries.

Incredibly sad that there's so much hate...

What part of "Love each other as I have loved you" is lost on people?
Or the more simple "Thou shalt not kill"?

And yes, I realize that there as some fucked up people out there that'll stop at nothing to kill us, and that we have to stop them using any means necessary. But we don't need to sink to their depths...

Baldy wrote:

dbackjon wrote:Christians if Africa, Baldy. Christians in Eastern Europe.

And yes, the Death Penalty for Gays had support from a number of prominent US evangelicals, but most backed off after getting heat about it.

But, they, people like Robertson, Dobson, etc, siill consider the proponent of this, the Ugandan president, to be a friend and Fine Christian Man.

Thanks for clarifying...the president of a 3rd world country on a continent where people are killed for sport regardless of sexual orientation and former Soviet satellite states where people have been killed for for having more than their "fair share".

I'm really surprised you didn't name China or some middle eastern countries.

I keep waiting for the documentation proving the "support from a number of prominent US evangelicals"....

dbackjon wrote:And you naysayers fail to acknoweldge is it is the liberalism of this country that keeps the Christian extremist in check, to a degree.

So most Christian fundies have to be content with the high rate of gay teen self-execution.

Oh c'mon dback, the constitution is clearly a conservative document. The difference between us and them is our nation was founded on conseravative judeo Christian values.