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Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:52 am
by dbackjon
Your brillance is seeing what occurs in nature changed the world.

Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:10 am
by kalm
Less evolved members of the board in 3...2...1..... :thumb:

Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:10 am
by Ivytalk
Happy Birthday, Chuckie D! :birth:

Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:49 pm
by SuperHornet
Did you guys never hear that Darwin recanted that bogus "theory?"

Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:56 pm
by dbackjon
SuperHornet wrote:Did you guys never hear that Darwin recanted that bogus "theory?"
No, because he never did.

And it is not bogus

Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:02 pm
by CitadelGrad
SuperHornet wrote:Did you guys never hear that Darwin recanted that bogus "theory?"
Did you hear that it wouldn't matter even if he had? Evolution is observable.

Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:12 pm
by SunCoastBlueHen
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Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:14 pm
by SuperHornet
CitadelGrad wrote:
SuperHornet wrote:Did you guys never hear that Darwin recanted that bogus "theory?"
Did you hear that it wouldn't matter even if he had? Evolution is observable.
Hogwash.

Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:50 pm
by SeattleGriz
CitadelGrad wrote:
SuperHornet wrote:Did you guys never hear that Darwin recanted that bogus "theory?"
Did you hear that it wouldn't matter even if he had? Evolution is observable.
What is your definition of Evolution? I ask, because I have found that Evolution means different things to different people. Usually when a discussion breaks out, it is because they have different ideas as to what constitutes Evolution.

Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:23 pm
by BlueHen86
SuperHornet wrote:
CitadelGrad wrote:
Did you hear that it wouldn't matter even if he had? Evolution is observable.
Hogwash.
Not at all. Penicillin-resistant Streptococcus pneumoniae is an example of a life form evolving to overcome a change in environment.

Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:35 pm
by YoUDeeMan
BlueHen86 wrote:
SuperHornet wrote:
Hogwash.
Not at all. Penicillin-resistant Streptococcus pneumoniae is an example of a life form evolving to overcome a change in environment.
Evolution? No...it's evil at work. Those pesky Streptococcus pneumoniae have been possessed and altered by the Devil himself!

Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:43 pm
by Grizalltheway
The rest of you don't know shit, I'm listening to PhD Superhornet...





















































:puke: :lol:

Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:49 pm
by SeattleGriz
BlueHen86 wrote:
SuperHornet wrote:
Hogwash.
Not at all. Penicillin-resistant Streptococcus pneumoniae is an example of a life form evolving to overcome a change in environment.
This is what I am talking about, when asking what people consider Evolution. To some, this is not evolution, but really just an instance of natural selection (and Bacteria's scary ability to swap DNA with others) coupled with mutation. There is not a net gain in functional systems.

Usually this sort of resistance caused by the mutation results in a overall loss of functionality. ie - Even though they are now resistant to Penicillin, they are more susceptible to other factors that a normal (Wild Type) Strep isn't.

Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:05 pm
by youngterrier
SeattleGriz wrote:
CitadelGrad wrote:
Did you hear that it wouldn't matter even if he had? Evolution is observable.
What is your definition of Evolution? I ask, because I have found that Evolution means different things to different people. Usually when a discussion breaks out, it is because they have different ideas as to what constitutes Evolution.
having just taken a test on evolution, I think there are 2; one being controversial, the other being pretty well accepted.

Accepted definition--organisms adapt and change over time

controversial--we all (all organisms) have common ancestry in microscopic organisms.


....then again it was a multiple choice test so I could be 100% wrong on that one

Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:09 pm
by Chizzang
All one has to do is spend some time studying the history of sea mammals to understand evolution...
about 55 million years ago whales were land animals
in their on-again-off-again relationship with the sea some 80 species of Mammal that originated in the sea through overtly conspicuous evolution became land dwellers and then again moved back to the sea...

Exact skeletal records exist from about 220 million years back on this family's history of evolving

:coffee: it's fairly "clear"

This doesn't mean God lied
This doesn't mean God isn't real
Doesn't mean anything other than evolution is real...Nothing personal need be made of the search for truth and the process of evolution - it's as natural and observable as day and night or passing clouds or fossil records

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Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:16 pm
by SeattleGriz
youngterrier wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:
What is your definition of Evolution? I ask, because I have found that Evolution means different things to different people. Usually when a discussion breaks out, it is because they have different ideas as to what constitutes Evolution.
having just taken a test on evolution, I think there are 2; one being controversial, the other being pretty well accepted.

Accepted definition--organisms adapt and change over time

controversial--we all (all organisms) have common ancestry in microscopic organisms.


....then again it was a multiple choice test so I could be 100% wrong on that one
Yeah. I'm not looking to argue, just pointing out that many people don't see eye to eye because they don't realize they are talking about different definitions.

When I hear evolution, I think man evolved from primordial soup. Not natural selection, or diversity of species.

Perfect timing for this article.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... arwin-day/
What, exactly, is Darwin's theory? It is not just "evolution." Evolution can mean "change over time," which no sane person denies. Or it can mean life on Earth has a long history, documented by the fossil record. Yet the general outlines of the fossil record were established before "The Origin of Species" appeared in 1859. And biblical chronology did not play a major role in the 19th-century Darwinian controversies, because by 1859 most educated Christians had accepted geological evidence for an old Earth.

Darwin's theory is that all living things are descendants of a common ancestor, modified by unguided processes such as random variation and natural selection. Although nobody doubts that variation and selection can produce minor changes within existing species ("microevolution"), Darwin claimed that microevolution leads to the origin of new species, organs and body plans ("macroevolution").

Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:16 pm
by Grizalltheway
Chizzang wrote:All one has to do is spend some time studying the history of sea mammals to understand evolution...
about 55 million years ago whales were land animals
in their on-again-off-again relationship with the sea some 80 species of Mammal that originated in the sea through overtly conspicuous evolution became land dwellers and then again moved back to the sea...

Exact skeletal records exist from about 220 million years back on this family's history of evolving

:coffee: it's fairly "clear"

This doesn't mean God lied
This doesn't mean God isn't real
Doesn't mean anything other than evolution is real...Nothing personal need be made of the search for truth and the process of evolution - it's as natural and observable as day and night or passing clouds or fossil records

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I'm not sure I agree with the whole "cloud theory", either. :geek:

Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:18 pm
by Grizalltheway
SeattleGriz wrote:
youngterrier wrote: having just taken a test on evolution, I think there are 2; one being controversial, the other being pretty well accepted.

Accepted definition--organisms adapt and change over time

controversial--we all (all organisms) have common ancestry in microscopic organisms.


....then again it was a multiple choice test so I could be 100% wrong on that one
Yeah. I'm not looking to argue, just pointing out that many people don't see eye to eye because they don't realize they are talking about different definitions.

When I hear evolution, I think man evolved from primordial soup. Not natural selection, or diversity of species.
Man didn't evolve from primordial soup. It's a gradual process that's taken billions of years. A billion years is a loooooooong time, and the planet has been around for 4.5 billion.

Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:21 pm
by SeattleGriz
Grizalltheway wrote:Man didn't evolve from primordial soup. It's a gradual process that's taken billions of years. A billion years is a loooooooong time, and the planet has been around for 4.5 billion.
So where did it all start?

Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:22 pm
by youngterrier
SeattleGriz wrote:
youngterrier wrote: having just taken a test on evolution, I think there are 2; one being controversial, the other being pretty well accepted.

Accepted definition--organisms adapt and change over time

controversial--we all (all organisms) have common ancestry in microscopic organisms.


....then again it was a multiple choice test so I could be 100% wrong on that one
Yeah. I'm not looking to argue, just pointing out that many people don't see eye to eye because they don't realize they are talking about different definitions.

When I hear evolution, I think man evolved from primordial soup. Not natural selection, or diversity of species.

Perfect timing for this article.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... arwin-day/
What, exactly, is Darwin's theory? It is not just "evolution." Evolution can mean "change over time," which no sane person denies. Or it can mean life on Earth has a long history, documented by the fossil record. Yet the general outlines of the fossil record were established before "The Origin of Species" appeared in 1859. And biblical chronology did not play a major role in the 19th-century Darwinian controversies, because by 1859 most educated Christians had accepted geological evidence for an old Earth.

Darwin's theory is that all living things are descendants of a common ancestor, modified by unguided processes such as random variation and natural selection. Although nobody doubts that variation and selection can produce minor changes within existing species ("microevolution"), Darwin claimed that microevolution leads to the origin of new species, organs and body plans ("macroevolution").
me neither...I'd lose

Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:23 pm
by youngterrier
SeattleGriz wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:Man didn't evolve from primordial soup. It's a gradual process that's taken billions of years. A billion years is a loooooooong time, and the planet has been around for 4.5 billion.
So where did it all start?
and therein lies the problem....

Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:25 pm
by Grizalltheway
SeattleGriz wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:Man didn't evolve from primordial soup. It's a gradual process that's taken billions of years. A billion years is a loooooooong time, and the planet has been around for 4.5 billion.
So where did it all start?
With primordial soup, but no one is saying that it went straight from that to humans.

Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:31 pm
by SeattleGriz
Grizalltheway wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:
So where did it all start?
With primordial soup, but no one is saying that it went straight from that to humans.
Sorry, didn't mean to imply we went from soup to a big bag of soup in skin overnight.

Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:41 pm
by Grizo406
SeattleGriz wrote:
So where did it all start?
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Re: Happy Birthday, Charles Darwin

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:33 pm
by Grizalltheway
SeattleGriz wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
With primordial soup, but no one is saying that it went straight from that to humans.
Sorry, didn't mean to imply we went from soup to a big bag of soup in skin overnight.
No worries. I'm just as mystified as anyone else as to how this whole cosmic mess came to be (in fact, it hurts my poor brain to think about it :yikes: ), but I think evolution is the best theory out there regarding how life on Earth works.