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A Muslim Abu Ghraib? Considering the horrific violence that the Haqqanis had perpetrated to date, I had trouble imagining what they could have done now that would suddenly have the power to enflame the Muslim world. After all, that kind of outrage is normally reserved for terrible insults by the West, like cartoons, operas, or free speech. Then, my contact told me his story. It made me absolutely sick to my stomach.
As Siraj Haqqani moved from village to village, rounding up the sons of poor Muslim families to fight for the Taliban and Al Qaeda, he offered the villagers free medical care. He even sent his physician, Dr. Hassan Duraz to conduct the clinics. There was a horrific catch, though. Duraz was a monster.
He arrived in each village with Siraj Haqqani’s uncle, Ibrahim, and Siraj’s cousin, Ishak, in tow. With them, the Haqqanis brought along their own very special tools of terror – a video camera and an eye for human flesh. You see, with Haqqani healthcare, you not only received a medical exam, if you were an attractive young girl, you also got a screen test. And heaven forbid you passed.
For those women and girls unfortunate enough to catch the good doctor’s fancy, it was show time. The Haqqani uncle and cousin would be brought into the exam room, they would set up their video equipment, and Duraz would drop his trousers and go to work.
The Haqqanis and Duraz sexually assaulted poor women throughout the tribal regions and captured every moment of their degradation and humiliation on video to enjoy over and over again.
Times were good for the Haqqani pornography ring. Their enterprise thrived until someone slipped up and word leaked out. In the blink of an eye, Siraj Haqqani was in big trouble.

AZGrizFan wrote:Oh, Phu-LEASE. Forcing muslims to read the bible is MUCH worse than raping, torturing and videoing young girls, then going back and killing all the victims.

In fact, I'd be surprised if the ACLU doesn't get involved here.

SeattleGriz wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:Oh, Phu-LEASE. Forcing muslims to read the bible is MUCH worse than raping, torturing and videoing young girls, then going back and killing all the victims.

In fact, I'd be surprised if the ACLU doesn't get involved here.

Don't forget flushing a Koran down the toilet...even though I can't imagine how one would fit...even if it was torn up by a big meany of an American guard.

AZGrizFan wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:
Don't forget flushing a Koran down the toilet...even though I can't imagine how one would fit...even if it was torn up by a big meany of an American guard.

THIS is a perfect example of why I laugh in the face of morons who call what happened at Abu Ghraib "torture". Was it bad judgment? Yes. Was it stupid? Yes. Should it end careers? Absolutely. But torture? Not by a LONG shot. Muslims are lightyears ahead of us on this issue.

Grizo406 wrote:That was posted by Brad Thor, one of my absolute favorite authors!

His 2008 novel, The Last Patriot was banned in Saudi Arabia, and was nominated as best thriller of the year by the International Thriller Writers Association. A little tid bit I got from Wiki...

His books are a great, and a very entertaining, informative read! If anyone has ever read any of Vince Flynn's stuff, and liked it, you'd LOVE what Brad Thor writes!!

AZGrizFan wrote:

Grizo406 wrote:That was posted by Brad Thor, one of my absolute favorite authors!

His 2008 novel, The Last Patriot was banned in Saudi Arabia, and was nominated as best thriller of the year by the International Thriller Writers Association. A little tid bit I got from Wiki...

His books are a great, and a very entertaining, informative read! If anyone has ever read any of Vince Flynn's stuff, and liked it, you'd LOVE what Brad Thor writes!!

Love Vince Flynn. Thanks for the tip, Grizo!

Grizo406 wrote:That was posted by Brad Thor, one of my absolute favorite authors!

His 2008 novel, The Last Patriot was banned in Saudi Arabia, and was nominated as best thriller of the year by the International Thriller Writers Association. A little tid bit I got from Wiki...

His books are a great, and a very entertaining, informative read! If anyone has ever read any of Vince Flynn's stuff, and liked it, you'd LOVE what Brad Thor writes!!

SeattleGriz wrote:
If they don't kill this guy, it will show how absolutely hypocritical many in the Taliban are.

polsongrizz wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:
If they don't kill this guy, it will show how absolutely hypocritical many in the Taliban are.

You think?

AZGrizFan wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:
Don't forget flushing a Koran down the toilet...even though I can't imagine how one would fit...even if it was torn up by a big meany of an American guard.

THIS is a perfect example of why I laugh in the face of morons who call what happened at Abu Ghraib "torture". Was it bad judgment? Yes. Was it stupid? Yes. Should it end careers? Absolutely. But torture? Not by a LONG shot. Muslims are lightyears ahead of us on this issue.

houndawg wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
THIS is a perfect example of why I laugh in the face of morons who call what happened at Abu Ghraib "torture". Was it bad judgment? Yes. Was it stupid? Yes. Should it end careers? Absolutely. But torture? Not by a LONG shot. Muslims are lightyears ahead of us on this issue.

They had a big head start, but we're working hard to close the gap.

polsongrizz wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:
If they don't kill this guy, it will show how absolutely hypocritical many in the Taliban are.

You think the Tallyban are hypocrits?

AZGrizFan wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:
Don't forget flushing a Koran down the toilet...even though I can't imagine how one would fit...even if it was torn up by a big meany of an American guard.

THIS is a perfect example of why I laugh in the face of morons who call what happened at Abu Ghraib "torture". Was it bad judgment? Yes. Was it stupid? Yes. Should it end careers? Absolutely. But torture? Not by a LONG shot. Muslims are lightyears ahead of us on this issue.

kalm wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
THIS is a perfect example of why I laugh in the face of morons who call what happened at Abu Ghraib "torture". Was it bad judgment? Yes. Was it stupid? Yes. Should it end careers? Absolutely. But torture? Not by a LONG shot. Muslims are lightyears ahead of us on this issue.

There are varying degrees of torture. For instance, the loud rock music played at Gitmo was a form of low grade torture. If instead, they had used the horrendously cheesy and hard on the ears mewlings of say a Celine Dione or Kings of Leon for hours on end, I would have been ashamed to be an American as no one deserves to be subjected that kind of abuse.

Not to mention we signed treaties agreeing what torture is and not to do it.

Call me crazy, but I kinda of like it when we're held to a higher standard.

AZGrizFan wrote:

kalm wrote:
There are varying degrees of torture. For instance, the loud rock music played at Gitmo was a form of low grade torture. If instead, they had used the horrendously cheesy and hard on the ears mewlings of say a Celine Dione or Kings of Leon for hours on end, I would have been ashamed to be an American as no one deserves to be subjected that kind of abuse.

Not to mention we signed treaties agreeing what torture is and not to do it.

Call me crazy, but I kinda of like it when we're held to a higher standard.

I'm pretty sure it was Dick Cheney who redefined torture.
I agree with the higher standard, but redefining torture for the benefit of the weak willed isn't the answer.

AZGrizFan wrote:

kalm wrote:
There are varying degrees of torture. For instance, the loud rock music played at Gitmo was a form of low grade torture. If instead, they had used the horrendously cheesy and hard on the ears mewlings of say a Celine Dione or Kings of Leon for hours on end, I would have been ashamed to be an American as no one deserves to be subjected that kind of abuse.

Not to mention we signed treaties agreeing what torture is and not to do it.

Call me crazy, but I kinda of like it when we're held to a higher standard.

I agree with the higher standard, but redefining torture for the benefit of the weak willed isn't the answer.

AZGrizFan wrote:

houndawg wrote:

They had a big head start, but we're working hard to close the gap.

Yep, they're some good guys, aren't they?

kalm wrote: I'm pretty sure it was Dick Cheney who redefined torture.

AZGrizFan wrote: I agree with the higher standard, but redefining torture for the benefit of the weak willed isn't the answer.

AZGrizFan wrote:

kalm wrote: I'm pretty sure it was Dick Cheney who redefined torture.

Did anybody die at Abu Ghraib?

Didn't think so.

kalm wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Did anybody die at Abu Ghraib?

Didn't think so.

Have any prisoners in the War on Terror died while in U.S. custody?

Just because the other guys are worse doesn't make us violating our own laws, treaties, and constitution any better.

AZGrizFan wrote:

kalm wrote:
Have any prisoners in the War on Terror died while in U.S. custody?

Just because the other guys are worse doesn't make us violating our own laws, treaties, and constitution any better.

I'm talking about Abu Ghraib, kalm. Do you consider what happened at Abu Ghraib "torture"?

Yes or no.