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Jesus is the Prince of PEACE. How could his followers tolerate war? Why should Israel be put upon a pedestal so we can "avoid God's wrath"? In the Bible, Israel pissed God off countless times for THEM to get his wrath, much less other nations. I don't get it. What's the obsession with the end of time? I'm a Christian and all that, but not like that. I've seen videos from "biblecamps" where GROWN ADULTS were praying over pictures of Bush and began to "speak in tongues." Couldn't we call that idolatry? Crazy, crazy, crazy people.

Good question. Good post.

I think there's a movie called "Road to Armageddon" that deals with this kind of stuff

Every group has their crazies. Sadly the religious crazies, for all regligions, are crazier than most.

Sounds like someone never read the Old Testament and didn't pay attention to the Gospels. Jesus was VERY revolutionary for the time.

SuperHornet wrote:Sounds like someone never read the Old Testament and didn't pay attention to the Gospels. Jesus was VERY revolutionary for the time.

That is correct, Jesus was a LIBERAL.

For the same reason radical muslims love war. They have to force the will of their god on the infidels. Unclean!! Blasphemer!! Religious nuts have been around for as long as there has been religion. Remove the religion, you still will have the nuts. They'll just find some other thing to kill people in the name of. (yeah, I ended that sentence in a preposition. Wann fight about it?)

You guys need to watch the original "Planet Of The Apes", starring the former president of the NRA.




'Splains it all.

It's been said before, more people have been killed 'in the name of [God, Allah, Jehovah, etc] than any other purpose in the history of Man. Look at the Crusades. The result of trying to impose one's own view of a diety on another, which is why we have tried to avoid such confrontations in this country. There is a reason the founders set apart religion from being state sponsored.

catamount man wrote:Jesus is the Prince of PEACE. How could his followers tolerate war? Why should Israel be put upon a pedestal so we can "avoid God's wrath"? In the Bible, Israel pissed God off countless times for THEM to get his wrath, much less other nations. I don't get it. What's the obsession with the end of time? I'm a Christian and all that, but not like that. I've seen videos from "biblecamps" where GROWN ADULTS were praying over pictures of Bush and began to "speak in tongues." Couldn't we call that idolatry? Crazy, crazy, crazy people.

You can make the same case for wealth and greed which apparently Jesus didn't care that much for either, but is now next to godliness according to some...ahem...christians:

Defend the 2001Tax Cuts
Christian Coalition worked to help former President Bush pass legislation that lowered federal taxes for virtually every family in America by a total of $1.3 trillion, (a bill which passed by a large bipartisan margin in the 107th Congress).

Unfortunately, the tax cuts are set to expire in 2010. Christian Coalition will work to defend those tax cuts and protect the income of America’s family’s from rising taxes under Barack Obama’s administration.

http://cc.org/2010_legislative_agenda

death dealer wrote:For the same reason radical muslims love war. They have to force the will of their god on the infidels. Unclean!! Blasphemer!! Religious nuts have been around for as long as there has been religion. Remove the religion, you still will have the nuts. They'll just find some other thing to kill people in the name of. (yeah, I ended that sentence in a preposition. Wann fight about it?)

Nope, the only thing I'll go to fisticuffs over is a dangling participle.

catamount man wrote: I've seen videos from "biblecamps" where GROWN ADULTS were praying over pictures of Bush and began to "speak in tongues." Couldn't we call that idolatry? Crazy, crazy, crazy people.

The world is full of "different" people, isn't it?

Grizalltheway wrote:

death dealer wrote:For the same reason radical muslims love war. They have to force the will of their god on the infidels. Unclean!! Blasphemer!! Religious nuts have been around for as long as there has been religion. Remove the religion, you still will have the nuts. They'll just find some other thing to kill people in the name of. (yeah, I ended that sentence in a preposition. Wann fight about it?)

Nope, the only thing I'll go to fisticuffs over is a dangling participle.

Oh yeah, that kind of crap is unforgivable!!

death dealer wrote:For the same reason radical muslims love war. They have to force the will of their god on the infidels. Unclean!! Blasphemer!! Religious nuts have been around for as long as there has been religion. Remove the religion, you still will have the nuts. They'll just find some other thing to kill people in the name of. (yeah, I ended that sentence in a preposition. Wann fight about it?)

I love nerd humor

Which Evangelicals love war so much? They could be Pharisees and not true followers of Christ.

I for one don't love war, but I'm also not your typical "Evangelical" right winger with my Palin bumper sticker and a Rush Limbaugh addiction. The problem with more Evangelicals is they become Conservative Christians, rather than Christian Conservatives. If you did your job as a follower of Christ, you wouldn't need to worry about the government fixing the things the church isn't doing properly...

For example:
Abortion? Don't like it? Then reach out to women and tell them they're loved, cared for, and if they were to have a baby, they have a safe place to bring the child. Making it illegal doesn't get rid of it. Making the population at large believe what you believe about the situation, that it is murder and is wrong, is much more effective. That is done thru the completion of the Great Commission, not thru legislature.

War should never be a Christian's response to an issue. God loves and cares for the North Koreans, Iranians, and everyone else as much as he loves "The Land Of the Free"... not saying that war is intended to kill innocents, but war is destructive, violent, and usually not "biblically" warranted...

I wish the Donkeys would quit equating conservative Republicans with Limbaugh lovers. I'm as conservative an Elephant as they come, yet I can't stand him.

Dave Ramsey, on the other hand, that guy rules.

SuperHornet wrote:I wish the Donkeys would quit equating conservative Republicans with Limbaugh lovers. I'm as conservative an Elephant as they come, yet I can't stand him.

Dave Ramsey, on the other hand, that guy rules.

I'm not a donkey. I was just being facetious with my generalization.

And Dave Ramsey isn't a political analyst. I think he's awesome. Rush is a very polarizing guy, and I don't really like him, either.

I do like Glenn Beck, tho, or I did when I used to listen to him.

TTL,

I wasn't necessarily smacking you. Or, at least, I wasn't intending to. I've just seen a ton of that cr@p on the boards, though. I thought it had to be said.

ToTheLeft wrote:I for one don't love war, but I'm also not your typical "Evangelical" right winger with my Palin bumper sticker and a Rush Limbaugh addiction. The problem with more Evangelicals is they become Conservative Christians, rather than Christian Conservatives. If you did your job as a follower of Christ, you wouldn't need to worry about the government fixing the things the church isn't doing properly...

For example:
Abortion? Don't like it? Then reach out to women and tell them they're loved, cared for, and if they were to have a baby, they have a safe place to bring the child. Making it illegal doesn't get rid of it. Making the population at large believe what you believe about the situation, that it is murder and is wrong, is much more effective. That is done thru the completion of the Great Commission, not thru legislature.

War should never be a Christian's response to an issue. God loves and cares for the North Koreans, Iranians, and everyone else as much as he loves "The Land Of the Free"... not saying that war is intended to kill innocents, but war is destructive, violent, and usually not "biblically" warranted...

Good post.

ToTheLeft wrote:I for one don't love war, but I'm also not your typical "Evangelical" right winger with my Palin bumper sticker and a Rush Limbaugh addiction. The problem with more Evangelicals is they become Conservative Christians, rather than Christian Conservatives. If you did your job as a follower of Christ, you wouldn't need to worry about the government fixing the things the church isn't doing properly...

For example:
Abortion? Don't like it? Then reach out to women and tell them they're loved, cared for, and if they were to have a baby, they have a safe place to bring the child. Making it illegal doesn't get rid of it. Making the population at large believe what you believe about the situation, that it is murder and is wrong, is much more effective. That is done thru the completion of the Great Commission, not thru legislature.

War should never be a Christian's response to an issue. God loves and cares for the North Koreans, Iranians, and everyone else as much as he loves "The Land Of the Free"... not saying that war is intended to kill innocents, but war is destructive, violent, and usually not "biblically" warranted...

About abortion - Better yet, help reduce poverty. Statistics have shown that when the poverty level increases in the country, the abortion rate increases. Poor people have abortions (in general). I don't think the Left really wants to reduce poverty through their programs (if they did reduce poverty, who would vote them into office?).

BigSkyBears wrote:

ToTheLeft wrote:I for one don't love war, but I'm also not your typical "Evangelical" right winger with my Palin bumper sticker and a Rush Limbaugh addiction. The problem with more Evangelicals is they become Conservative Christians, rather than Christian Conservatives. If you did your job as a follower of Christ, you wouldn't need to worry about the government fixing the things the church isn't doing properly...

For example:
Abortion? Don't like it? Then reach out to women and tell them they're loved, cared for, and if they were to have a baby, they have a safe place to bring the child. Making it illegal doesn't get rid of it. Making the population at large believe what you believe about the situation, that it is murder and is wrong, is much more effective. That is done thru the completion of the Great Commission, not thru legislature.

War should never be a Christian's response to an issue. God loves and cares for the North Koreans, Iranians, and everyone else as much as he loves "The Land Of the Free"... not saying that war is intended to kill innocents, but war is destructive, violent, and usually not "biblically" warranted...

About abortion - Better yet, help reduce poverty. Statistics have shown that when the poverty level increases in the country, the abortion rate increases. Poor people have abortions (in general). I don't think the Left really wants to reduce poverty through their programs (if they did reduce poverty, who would vote them into office?).

I've heard that same argument used on the Republicans and abortion.

BigSkyBears wrote:

ToTheLeft wrote:I for one don't love war, but I'm also not your typical "Evangelical" right winger with my Palin bumper sticker and a Rush Limbaugh addiction. The problem with more Evangelicals is they become Conservative Christians, rather than Christian Conservatives. If you did your job as a follower of Christ, you wouldn't need to worry about the government fixing the things the church isn't doing properly...

For example:
Abortion? Don't like it? Then reach out to women and tell them they're loved, cared for, and if they were to have a baby, they have a safe place to bring the child. Making it illegal doesn't get rid of it. Making the population at large believe what you believe about the situation, that it is murder and is wrong, is much more effective. That is done thru the completion of the Great Commission, not thru legislature.

War should never be a Christian's response to an issue. God loves and cares for the North Koreans, Iranians, and everyone else as much as he loves "The Land Of the Free"... not saying that war is intended to kill innocents, but war is destructive, violent, and usually not "biblically" warranted...

About abortion - Better yet, help reduce poverty. Statistics have shown that when the poverty level increases in the country, the abortion rate increases. Poor people have abortions (in general). I don't think the Left really wants to reduce poverty through their programs (if they did reduce poverty, who would vote them into office?).

Which Republican programs have reduced poverty?

What program run by the government can reduce poverty, honestly? Giving people money for not having to work creates more poverty, and more reliance on the government. NOT giving them money means they're forced to get their own money, but it's heartless. That's why church, parachurch, and secular philanthopic organizations should step in and fill the gap. Provide jobs, training, and education to those under the poverty line. Not just a check, which comes along with the encouragement to not work hard to get money.

I never said any Republican programs reduced poverty. I think the government should endorse faith-based organizations and grass-roots organizations to help reduce poverty. When I say endorse, I don't necessarily believe in money. I think well-fare programs that the far-left wants only creates a permanent under-class.