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Cheney has a history of heart disease. He suffered the first of four heart attacks at age 37, and had eight "cardiac events" -- including surgeries to replace a pacemaker and to implant a vascular stent -- between the 2000 and 2008 elections.

So I guess it wasn't the big one.

Cheney's hatred of democracy won't let him die.

93henfan wrote:So I guess it wasn't the big one.

Can't be, he doesn't have a heart.

I hope Cheney is around another 40 years.

We need him.

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:I hope Cheney is around another 40 years.

We need him.

No doubt he will be, as long as he doesn't come in to contact with direct sunllight.

kalm wrote:Cheney's hatred of democracy won't let him die.

Democracy should be hated by anyone who loves freedom.

Baldy wrote:

kalm wrote:Cheney's hatred of democracy won't let him die.

Democracy should be hated by anyone who loves freedom.

There's a difference between direct democracy and representative democracy, no? You don't hate representative democracy, do you?

Dick Cheney is a very powerful dude. My first job was at the pharmacy he used/uses and you have no idea how much of a presence the guy had. Unlike Colin Powell (uses the same pharmacy) where customers would have "WOW THAT'S COLIN POWELL! AWESOME!" look, cutomers would have the "OH SHIT DON'T STARE DON'T TALK AND JUST WALK AWAY" fear when Dick Cheney was in the house. Also, the Starbucks in our community was probably his favorite spot 'cause my friends and I would saw him A LOT when I was in high school. It was a bit surprising considering that Starbucks attracted a lot of young liberal people. We had a girl (probably 16 or 17) shout out some shit to him about soldiers dying in the war, and you should've seen the death glare Cheney gave this gal before Secret Service told her to leave. Absolutely terrifying...the dude sure didn't take shit from nobody...I'll give him that.

Grizalltheway wrote:

Baldy wrote:
Democracy should be hated by anyone who loves freedom.

There's a difference between direct democracy and representative democracy, no? You don't hate representative democracy, do you?

There is a difference, but that isn't what Kalm said.

A Representative Democracy is better than a direct democracy for sure, but it's still not the best form of government.

∞∞∞ wrote:Dick Cheney is a very powerful dude. My first job was at the pharmacy he used/uses and you have no idea how much of a presence the guy had. Unlike Colin Powell (uses the same pharmacy) where customers would have "WOW THAT'S COLIN POWELL! AWESOME!" look, cutomers would have the "OH SHIT DON'T STARE DON'T TALK AND JUST WALK AWAY" fear when Dick Cheney was in the house. Also, the Starbucks in our community was probably his favorite spot 'cause my friends and I would saw him A LOT when I was in high school. It was a bit surprising considering that Starbucks attracted a lot of young liberal people. We had a girl (probably 16 or 17) shout out some **** to him about soldiers dying in the war, and you should've seen the death glare Cheney gave this gal before Secret Service told her to leave. Absolutely terrifying...the dude sure didn't take **** from nobody...I'll give him that.

We need "rough men" in all walks in this country. We need most of them on the streets at night and on the battlefields, but we also need a few of them in politics. Dick Cheney is one of our "rough men."

CID1990 wrote:Dick Cheney is one of our "rough men."

Really? He talks tough and is a savvy businessman and politician, but what has he done in life that would qualify him as a rough man?

Short primer on his history: Flunked out of Yale, finished up at Wyoming, got a DUI, applied and received five deferments from the Vietnam-era draft, became a Congressional intern leading to a career inside the beltway, started a few wars, and blew the cover of a CIA agent whose husband he didn't like (among many other shenanigans).

93henfan wrote:

CID1990 wrote:Dick Cheney is one of our "rough men."

Really? He talks tough and is a savvy businessman and politician, but what has he done in life that would qualify him as a rough man?

Short primer on his history: Flunked out of Yale, finished up at Wyoming, got a DUI, applied and received five deferments from the Vietnam-era draft, became a Congressional intern leading to a career inside the beltway, started a few wars, and blew the cover of a CIA agent whose husband he didn't like (among many other shenanigans).

I said that he was a rough man politically speaking. Maybe I was not clear enough. I don't care about his DUI, Vietnam or the CIA thing (especially since I know that Plame's unnecessary cover (she was an analyst) had already been burned about two years earlier).

I don't care about those things just like I don't care if a soldier likes to be a cross-dresser in his off time, or a teacher has a DUI, or a governor screws around on his wife. They are still useful and so is Dick Cheney, and that is my opinion.

93henfan wrote:

CID1990 wrote:Dick Cheney is one of our "rough men."

Really? He talks tough and is a savvy businessman and politician, but what has he done in life that would qualify him as a rough man?

Short primer on his history: Flunked out of Yale, finished up at Wyoming, got a DUI, applied and received five deferments from the Vietnam-era draft, became a Congressional intern leading to a career inside the beltway, started a few wars, and blew the cover of a CIA agent whose husband he didn't like (among many other shenanigans).

And he has a high school football stadium in Casper named after him, I guess because he was such a football stud.

CID1990 wrote: I said that he was a rough man politically speaking. Maybe I was not clear enough. I don't care about his DUI, Vietnam or the CIA thing (especially since I know that Plame's unnecessary cover (she was an analyst) had already been burned about two years earlier).

I don't care about those things just like I don't care if a soldier likes to be a cross-dresser in his off time, or a teacher has a DUI, or a governor screws around on his wife. They are still useful and so is Dick Cheney, and that is my opinion.

Fair enough. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

∞∞∞ wrote:Dick Cheney is a very powerful dude. My first job was at the pharmacy he used/uses and you have no idea how much of a presence the guy had. Unlike Colin Powell (uses the same pharmacy) where customers would have "WOW THAT'S COLIN POWELL! AWESOME!" look, cutomers would have the "OH SHIT DON'T STARE DON'T TALK AND JUST WALK AWAY" fear when Dick Cheney was in the house. Also, the Starbucks in our community was probably his favorite spot 'cause my friends and I would saw him A LOT when I was in high school. It was a bit surprising considering that Starbucks attracted a lot of young liberal people. We had a girl (probably 16 or 17) shout out some **** to him about soldiers dying in the war, and you should've seen the death glare Cheney gave this gal before Secret Service told her to leave. Absolutely terrifying...the dude sure didn't take **** from nobody...I'll give him that.

Dick Cheney hates that gal's freedom.

BlueHen86 wrote:

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:I hope Cheney is around another 40 years.

We need him.

No doubt he will be, as long as he doesn't come in to contact with direct sunllight.

Precisely, they can rebuild him, they have the technology

∞∞∞ wrote:Dick Cheney is a very powerful dude. My first job was at the pharmacy he used/uses and you have no idea how much of a presence the guy had. Unlike Colin Powell (uses the same pharmacy) where customers would have "WOW THAT'S COLIN POWELL! AWESOME!" look, cutomers would have the "OH SHIT DON'T STARE DON'T TALK AND JUST WALK AWAY" fear when Dick Cheney was in the house. Also, the Starbucks in our community was probably his favorite spot 'cause my friends and I would saw him A LOT when I was in high school. It was a bit surprising considering that Starbucks attracted a lot of young liberal people. We had a girl (probably 16 or 17) shout out some **** to him about soldiers dying in the war, and you should've seen the death glare Cheney gave this gal before Secret Service told her to leave. Absolutely terrifying...the dude sure didn't take **** from nobody...I'll give him that.

Cheney is proof that even the most vile among us have a little good in them. He did shoot a lawyer in the face afterall.

As for the heart thing, that's just something he does every couple of years to get our hopes up.

CID1990 wrote:

93henfan wrote:
Really? He talks tough and is a savvy businessman and politician, but what has he done in life that would qualify him as a rough man?

Short primer on his history: Flunked out of Yale, finished up at Wyoming, got a DUI, applied and received five deferments from the Vietnam-era draft, became a Congressional intern leading to a career inside the beltway, started a few wars, and blew the cover of a CIA agent whose husband he didn't like (among many other shenanigans).

I said that he was a rough man politically speaking. Maybe I was not clear enough. I don't care about his DUI, Vietnam or the CIA thing (especially since I know that Plame's unnecessary cover (she was an analyst) had already been burned about two years earlier).

And Cheyney wasn't the leaker of Plame's identity to begin with. It was Richard Armitage who leaked it to Bob Novak who then published that in his article.

BDKJMU wrote: And Cheyney wasn't the leaker of Plame's identity to begin with. It was Richard Armitage who leaked it to Bob Novak who then published that in his article.

Yeah, Dick knew nothing. That's the ticket!

93henfan wrote:

BDKJMU wrote: And Cheyney wasn't the leaker of Plame's identity to begin with. It was Richard Armitage who leaked it to Bob Novak who then published that in his article.

Yeah, Dick knew nothing. That's the ticket!

He didn't committ treason, technically. Bitch had it coming for not keeping her old man on the party line.

BDKJMU wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
I said that he was a rough man politically speaking. Maybe I was not clear enough. I don't care about his DUI, Vietnam or the CIA thing (especially since I know that Plame's unnecessary cover (she was an analyst) had already been burned about two years earlier).

And Cheyney wasn't the leaker of Plame's identity to begin with. It was Richard Armitage who leaked it to Bob Novak who then published that in his article.

Then how did Scooter Libby get convicted?

kalm wrote:

BDKJMU wrote:
And Cheyney wasn't the leaker of Plame's identity to begin with. It was Richard Armitage who leaked it to Bob Novak who then published that in his article.

Then how did Scooter Libby get convicted?

Ummm, Libby wasn't convicted for "outing" Plame.

Baldy wrote:

kalm wrote:
Then how did Scooter Libby get convicted?

Ummm, Libby wasn't convicted for "outing" Plame.

Ummmm, he was convicted of obstruction of justice and perjury in the Grand Jury investigation of the CIA leak case involving Plame. Why was he willing to lie and go to jail for it?