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Congrats Sen Gregg! You're As Fucking Dumb As Rep. Bachmann

Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:43 pm
by UNHWildCats
Why did they choose that bill called reconciliation to do this? Or why will they? Because under the Senate rules, anything that comes across the floor of the Senate requires 60 votes to pass. It's called the filibuster. That's the way the Senate was structured. The Senate was structured to be the place where bills which rushed through the House because they have a lot of rules that limit debate and allow people to pass bills quickly, but they don't have any rule in the House called the filibuster which allows people to slow things down.


The Founding Fathers realized when they structured this they wanted checks and balances. They didn't want things rushed through. They saw the parliamentary system. They knew it didn't work. So they set up the place, as George Washington described it, where you take the hot coffee out of the cup and you pour it into the saucer and you let it cool a little bit and you let people look at it and make sure it's done correctly. That's why we have the 60-vote situation over here in the Senate to require that things get full consideration.

Nope.


In the House of Representatives, the filibuster (the right to unlimited debate) was used until 1842, when a permanent rule limited the duration of debate. The disappearing quorum was a tactic used by the minority until an 1890 rule eliminated it. As the membership of the House grew much larger than the Senate, the House has acted earlier to control floor debate and the delay and blocking of floor votes.


In 1789, the first U.S. Senate adopted rules allowing the Senate "to move the previous question," ending debate and proceeding to a vote. Aaron Burr argued that the motion regarding the previous question was redundant, had only been exercised once in the preceding four years, and should be eliminated. In 1806, the Senate agreed, recodifying its rules, and thus the potential for a filibuster sprang into being. Because the Senate created no alternative mechanism for terminating debate, the filibuster became an option for delay and blocking of floor votes.

The filibuster remained a solely theoretical option until the late 1830s. The first Senate filibuster occurred in 1837.

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Re: Congrats Sen Gregg! You're As Fucking Dumb As Rep. Bachmann

Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:03 pm
by CID1990
You need to post the montage of all the Dem lawmakers whining about reconciliation back when Bush was in office.

They are all hypocrites. Every damn one of them, Dem AND Republican. Anyone who points to one side or the other as being somehow better than the other on any controversial issue is a fvcktard.

Re: Congrats Sen Gregg! You're As Fucking Dumb As Rep. Bachmann

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:37 am
by Chizzang
CID1990 wrote:You need to post the montage of all the Dem lawmakers whining about reconciliation back when Bush was in office.

They are all hypocrites. Every damn one of them, Dem AND Republican. Anyone who points to one side or the other as being somehow better than the other on any controversial issue is a fvcktard.
Agreed,
Both ideologies "conservatism" and "Liberalism" contain core strengths and many excellent principals...
However: Neither ideology is a complete and proper political solution in and of itself

Sadly because 80% of all politicians are essentially mentally defective hypocritical self righteous douche bags we will be stuck with about 80% garbage generated and produced by congress...

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Re: Congrats Sen Gregg! You're As Fucking Dumb As Rep. Bachmann

Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:04 pm
by native
CID1990 wrote:You need to post the montage of all the Dem lawmakers whining about reconciliation back when Bush was in office.

They are all hypocrites. Every damn one of them, Dem AND Republican. Anyone who points to one side or the other as being somehow better than the other on any controversial issue is a fvcktard.
Not exactly correct in your analysis, CID. There was already an overwhelming bipartisan majority in support of the issues - like welfare reform - for which the Congressional Republican leadership used he reconciliation process.

There is no bipartisan support, let alone overwhelming support, for the idiotic Democrat healthcare takeover.