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The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:13 pm
by Baldy
OUCH!!!
It is a universal political truth that administrations do not begin to fragment when things are going well: it only happens when they go badly, and those who think they know better begin to attack those who manifestly do not. The descent of Barack Obama's regime, characterised now by factionalism in the Democratic Party and talk of his being set to emulate Jimmy Carter as a one-term president, has been swift and precipitate. It was just 16 months ago that weeping men and women celebrated his victory over John McCain in the American presidential election. If they weep now, a year and six weeks into his rule, it is for different reasons.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Obama.html

Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:35 pm
by AZGrizFan
The root of the problem seems to be the management of expectations. The magnificent campaign created the notion that Mr Obama could walk on water. Oddly enough, he can't. That was more Mr Axelrod's fault than Mr Emanuel's. And, to be fair to Mr Emanuel, any advice he has been giving the President to impose his will on Congress is probably well founded. The $783 billion stimulus package of a year ago was used to further the re-election prospects of many congressmen, not to do good for the country. America's politics remain corrupt, populated by nonentities whose main concern once elected is to stay elected; it seems to be the same the whole world over. Even this self-interested use of the stimulus package appears to have failed, however. Every day, it seems, another Democrat congressman announces that he will not be fighting the mid-term elections scheduled for November 2. The health care Bill, apparently so humane in intent, is being "scrubbed" (to use the terminology of one Republican) by its opponents, to the joy of millions of middle Americans who see it as a means to waste more public money and entrench socialism. For the moment, this is a country vibrant with anger.
How sad is it that the British media understands better than most of our own.

Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:40 pm
by mainejeff
This country has Obama exhaustion.......I'm sick of seeing him, hearing him, etc, etc and it's only been a little more than a year! I don't even think Bush got my attention until 9-11 which was about 1.5 years after he took office.
Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:48 pm
by CID1990
I'm reserving judgment on this one.
There might be another terrorist attack that will give Obama the opportunity (with the help of Rahm "Let no crisis go to waste" Emmanuel) to look Presidential.
Ok, that was a little facetious. But seriously, a million things can happen in the next 3 years to rejuvenate the moonbat fever that gripped the country last year. I have lots of faith in our ability in this country to be wooed by used car salesmen with bling and flashy lights.
Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:49 pm
by AZGrizFan
CID1990 wrote:I'm reserving judgment on this one.
There might be another terrorist attack that will give Obama the opportunity (with the help of Rahm "Let no crisis go to waste" Emmanuel) to look Presidential.
Ok, that was a little facetious. But seriously, a million things can happen in the next 3 years to rejuvenate the moonbat fever that gripped the country last year. I have lots of faith in our ability in this country to be wooed by used car salesmen with bling and flashy lights.

Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:53 pm
by Skjellyfetti
Eh, things aren't falling apart that quickly. He's still hovering around 50% approval ratings... where he has been for 6 MONTHS. Granted, he hasn't been able to get anything significant accomplished legislatively... but, he's still got a little less than 3 years. He'll be fine.

Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:55 pm
by Skjellyfetti
What do you know about the media? You get 99% of your news from this site and your email inbox.
Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:56 pm
by AZGrizFan
Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:56 pm
by dbackjon
Skjellyfetti wrote:
What do you know about the media? You get 99% of your news from this site and your email inbox.

Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:57 pm
by CID1990
Skjellyfetti wrote:Eh, things aren't falling apart that quickly. He's still hovering around 50% approval ratings... where he has been for 6 MONTHS. Granted, he hasn't been able to get anything significant accomplished legislatively... but, he's still got a little less than 3 years. He'll be fine.

There's a "Yes, but..." here.
His inability to accomplish anything legislatively has been solely caused by his own party. If there was solidarity among the Democrats, he'd have passed everything from Obamacare to free 22"s in every garage.
That kind of inability to unite your own people has been the downfall of every one term President who has ever been in office. (Except for the ones who died in office).
Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:59 pm
by AZGrizFan
Skjellyfetti wrote:
What do you know about the media? You get 99% of your news from this site and your email inbox.
I know enough about our media to NOT watch it.

Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:05 pm
by Grizalltheway
AZGrizFan wrote:Skjellyfetti wrote:
What do you know about the media? You get 99% of your news from this site and your email inbox.
I know enough about our media to NOT watch it.

Try BBC or The Economist, since the Brits "get it", according to you.

Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:07 pm
by D1B
CID1990 wrote:Skjellyfetti wrote:Eh, things aren't falling apart that quickly. He's still hovering around 50% approval ratings... where he has been for 6 MONTHS. Granted, he hasn't been able to get anything significant accomplished legislatively... but, he's still got a little less than 3 years. He'll be fine.

There's a "Yes, but..." here.
His inability to accomplish anything legislatively has been solely caused by his own party. If there was solidarity among the Democrats, he'd have passed everything from Obamacare to free 22"s in every garage.
That kind of inability to unite your own people has been the downfall of every one term President who has ever been in office. (Except for the ones who died in office).
Agree, unfortunatly. I still have faith he's gonna come through, but it's waning.
I'm not happy at all with him right now.

Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:10 pm
by CID1990
D1B wrote:CID1990 wrote:
There's a "Yes, but..." here.
His inability to accomplish anything legislatively has been solely caused by his own party. If there was solidarity among the Democrats, he'd have passed everything from Obamacare to free 22"s in every garage.
That kind of inability to unite your own people has been the downfall of every one term President who has ever been in office. (Except for the ones who died in office).
Agree, unfortunatly. I still have faith he's gonna come through, but it's waning.
I'm not happy at all with him right now.

His fatal flaw is a new one, although the outcome might be the same.
He outsourced his agenda to Pelosi, Reid and Co.
Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:16 pm
by D1B
CID1990 wrote:D1B wrote:
Agree, unfortunatly. I still have faith he's gonna come through, but it's waning.
I'm not happy at all with him right now.

His fatal flaw is a new one, although the outcome might be the same.
He outsourced his agenda to Pelosi, Reid and Co.
He's a pussy. Talked a good game (gays, public option healthcare, end the wars....) and aint delivering. We had the ball to elect him, that should have told him we would have stood by him on these issues. Instead he did what he promised not to do - he became a Washington politician - a fucking scumbag like Nancy Pelosi and Newt Gingrich and the rest fo the fucking pigs.
I think the only good thing to come out of his victory will be an independent elected to president a lot sooner than I anticipated.
Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:18 pm
by CID1990
D1B wrote:CID1990 wrote:
His fatal flaw is a new one, although the outcome might be the same.
He outsourced his agenda to Pelosi, Reid and Co.
He's a pussy. Talked a good game (gays, public option healthcare, end the wars....) and aint delivering. We had the ball to elect him, that should have told him we would have stood by him on these issues. Instead he did what he promised not to do - he became a Washington politician - a **** scumbag like Nancy Pelosi and Newt Gingrich and the rest fo the **** pigs.
I think the only good thing to come out of his victory will be an independent elected to president a lot sooner than I anticipated.
If the two major parties keep putting forth Howdy Doody and Clarabelle the Clown, you might just be prophetic.
Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:25 pm
by D1B
CID1990 wrote:D1B wrote:
He's a pussy. Talked a good game (gays, public option healthcare, end the wars....) and aint delivering. We had the ball to elect him, that should have told him we would have stood by him on these issues. Instead he did what he promised not to do - he became a Washington politician - a **** scumbag like Nancy Pelosi and Newt Gingrich and the rest fo the **** pigs.
I think the only good thing to come out of his victory will be an independent elected to president a lot sooner than I anticipated.
If the two major parties keep putting forth Howdy Doody and Clarabelle the Clown, you might just be prophetic.
Obama's presidency was one of the last opportunities for the major political parties to demonstrate that they can actually get something accomplished. While Obama inherited a fucking mess, the first year aint looking promising.
Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:42 pm
by 93henfan
Is there anyone left that is still thrilled with him? He's even got the ACLU running full-page ads in the papers.

Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:45 pm
by D1B
93henfan wrote:Is there anyone left that is still thrilled with him? He's even got the ACLU running full-page ads in the papers.

I fucking love the ACLU.

Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:53 pm
by native
Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:56 pm
by AZGrizFan
Grizalltheway wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
I know enough about our media to NOT watch it.

Try BBC or The Economist, since the Brits "get it", according to you.

I do read The Economist.
Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:27 pm
by RobsPics
Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:38 pm
by SuperHornet
I'm not even sure Obama's got enough cred right now to get the Donkey nom in '12. Looks to me like one of the two available Clintons is gonna run away with it.
Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:34 am
by Skjellyfetti
AZGrizFan wrote:Skjellyfetti wrote:
What do you know about the media? You get 99% of your news from this site and your email inbox.
I know enough about our media to NOT watch it.

Good for you. You should follow your emoticon's lead and
read something.

Re: The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:36 am
by Skjellyfetti
SuperHornet wrote:I'm not even sure Obama's got enough cred right now to get the Donkey nom in '12. Looks to me like one of the two available Clintons is gonna run away with it.
Are you retarded? Bill can't run for President again. Chelsea is too young. Who are you talking about?