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What a bunch of party pooping buzz killers!

Girls should be allowed to love other girls all they want...which means attending prom, and all the after prom debauchery. I support it 100%

I don't see how the schools would win that one, if people can go to prom alone I don't see why they can't go with a partner that isn't of the opposite sex

They can't, which is why they cancelled prom.

So they decided to now allow any kid to go to prom?? Just don't make sense.

Dumb - it's a public school and it's not like they are advocating any position by allowing same sex couples to attend an event. Just silly and dumb to get all hung up about this.

Yeah, seriously. I think Mississippi public schools have more to worry about than prom... since they're one of the worst performing states every damn year.

I'm one of those pesky conservative Virginia Republicans that Jon was railing against (and yes Jon, our AG is in fact an idiot), but yeah this totally sucks - this is discrimination pure and simple and really is meant as retaliation against these kids. I generally despise the ACLU, but I hope they come down hard on the school district in this case...

Skjellyfetti wrote:Yeah, seriously. I think Mississippi public schools have more to worry about than prom... since they're one of the worst performing states every damn year.

Well they did say it was partly because of academics.

2008: First interacial prom in Charleston, Missippi.

This is completely wrong on all accounts.

You don't cancel the prom. You don't banish ANYONE from the prom. You let them in. You chaperone PDAs (single gender and duo-gender alike). If they don't listen, you QUIETLY ask them to leave. And make it visible that that chaperoning is going both ways.

As it is, they've opened themselves up to the biggest lawsuit known to man.

Rob Iola wrote:I'm one of those pesky conservative Virginia Republicans that Jon was railing against (and yes Jon, our AG is in fact an idiot), but yeah this totally sucks - this is discrimination pure and simple and really is meant as retaliation against these kids. I generally despise the ACLU, but I hope they come down hard on the school district in this case...

Agree on all counts. This is exactly the kind of thing that the ACLU should be all over. What a bunch of fuck sticks to try and do an end around on this thing. Maybe some private group or citizen will have the capability to host a prom for these kids and tell the school district to go fuck themselves.

Similar thing happening in a school district here. They just aren't allowing same sex couples to buy tickets. Public school.
Earlier in the year the same superintendent not only didn't show the Presidential Address to students, even after knowing the content forbid teachers from showing it to their students.

A district in serious need of some diversity education.

SuperHornet wrote:As it is, they've opened themselves up to the biggest lawsuit known to man.

Even bigger than the class action suit settled against the tobacco industry?

Benne wrote:2008: First interacial prom in Charleston, Missippi.

Wow

The villian here is the girl who decided to push it. And it's a sad commentary on the State of American culture that most people are acting as though the School Board is the one in the wrong in this case.

Same old same old. There was no discrimination. The girl had the opportunity to do the same thing every other person was offered the opportunity to do: Attend the prom with a member of the opposite sex.

The fact that she'd prefer to attend the prom with a member of the same sex does not mean she was being discriminated against.

The girl is sick and the school board shouldnt be forced to accomodate her disfunction. They probably will be. Odds are they will be forced to hold a prom and forced to allow this sick little girl to flaunt her sick relationship at it. But they shouldn't be.

JohnStOnge wrote:The villian here is the girl who decided to push it. And it's a sad commentary on the State of American culture that most people are acting as though the School Board is the one in the wrong in this case.

Same old same old. There was no discrimination. The girl had the opportunity to do the same thing every other person was offered the opportunity to do: Attend the prom with a member of the opposite sex.

The fact that she'd prefer to attend the prom with a member of the same sex does not mean she was being discriminated against.

The girl is sick and the school board shouldnt be forced to accomodate her disfunction. They probably will be. Odds are they will be forced to hold a prom and forced to allow this sick little girl to flaunt her sick relationship at it. But they shouldn't be.

here in G-Town, SC someone can go to the Prom alone, what's wrong with someone going with the same sex? Seriously, where are these rules?

SuperHornet wrote:This is completely wrong on all accounts.

You don't cancel the prom. You don't banish ANYONE from the prom. You let them in. You chaperone PDAs (single gender and duo-gender alike). If they don't listen, you QUIETLY ask them to leave. And make it visible that that chaperoning is going both ways.

As it is, they've opened themselves up to the biggest lawsuit known to man.

Yup.

OMG! What will Ursus do?!??

When he realizes that he has agreed with you he will have to change his mind.

JohnStOnge wrote:The villian here is the girl who decided to push it. And it's a sad commentary on the State of American culture that most people are acting as though the School Board is the one in the wrong in this case.

Same old same old. There was no discrimination. The girl had the opportunity to do the same thing every other person was offered the opportunity to do: Attend the prom with a member of the opposite sex.

The fact that she'd prefer to attend the prom with a member of the same sex does not mean she was being discriminated against.

The girl is sick and the school board shouldnt be forced to accomodate her disfunction. They probably will be. Odds are they will be forced to hold a prom and forced to allow this sick little girl to flaunt her sick relationship at it. But they shouldn't be.

You should be the last person commenting on "sickness".

Aren't you the guy who said it was normal for adults to be sexually attracted to 16 year old females?

youngterrier wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:The villian here is the girl who decided to push it. And it's a sad commentary on the State of American culture that most people are acting as though the School Board is the one in the wrong in this case.

Same old same old. There was no discrimination. The girl had the opportunity to do the same thing every other person was offered the opportunity to do: Attend the prom with a member of the opposite sex.

The fact that she'd prefer to attend the prom with a member of the same sex does not mean she was being discriminated against.

The girl is sick and the school board shouldnt be forced to accomodate her disfunction. They probably will be. Odds are they will be forced to hold a prom and forced to allow this sick little girl to flaunt her sick relationship at it. But they shouldn't be.

here in G-Town, SC someone can go to the Prom alone, what's wrong with someone going with the same sex? Seriously, where are these rules?

Not that I have a horse in this race, but apparently the girl let everyone know what she was up to.

Way to shoot yourself in the foot and ask for problems. She was looking to cause a confrontation.

Who the fuck tells everyone they are looking to cause a ruckus at the Prom? Total setup, and everyone played along with the standard response. Fucking boring.

Next week I am going to bitch about not getting admitted to an all womens gym.

While I don't agree with the outcome, when will people finally realize that pissing into the wind will get piss sprayed on you? America is getting there girl, just needs a little more time to accept.

Aren't you the guy who said it was normal for adults to be sexually attracted to 16 year old females?

Yes. And I was correct when I said it. It's amazing to me that anybody who realizes that we are animals and is aware of the role of sex in the biology of dioecious species would question the idea that it is natural for a sexually mature member of one sex to be attracted to a sexually mature member of the opposite sex.

here in G-Town, SC someone can go to the Prom alone, what's wrong with someone going with the same sex? Seriously, where are these rules?

I was probably a bit harsh with my initial comments and if I were responsible for hosting a prom I probably wouldn't have any rules at all with respect to such things. I would let people come alone. I would let them come with their friends. I would let them come with dates. I would let them wear swimsuits if they want. If there were no laws on indecent exposure (which would not exist if I had my way) I would let them come naked.

However, to me, liberty does not include the freedom to impose yourself upon others. When somebody else hosts an event that you don't have to go to they should be able to control the rules. In fact that's part of THEIR liberty. If they want to say you have to go to the event with a ring in your nose if you want to go they should be able to require that and if you don't like it don't go. You should not be able to force them to change their rules to accomodate your wishes.

And that's what's going on here. In fact, the thing that really frosts me is that in this twisted America in which the idea of "freedom" has been distorted into the concept of forcing other people to accomodate you, my understanding is that it's likely that she will actually be able to FORCE them to hold a prom now. Suppose their reason for canceling the prom is that they do not believe in what she's doing so they don't want to faciliate it. They should be free to opt not to facilitate it.

Somehow duplicated the last post and don't see the way to delete so I have to edit, type something, and submit to eliminate the duplicate.

JohnStOnge wrote:

here in G-Town, SC someone can go to the Prom alone, what's wrong with someone going with the same sex? Seriously, where are these rules?

I was probably a bit harsh with my initial comments and if I were responsible for hosting a prom I probably wouldn't have any rules at all with respect to such things. I would let people come alone. I would let them come with their friends. I would let them come with dates. I would let them wear swimsuits if they want. If there were no laws on indecent exposure (which would not exist if I had my way) I would let them come naked.

However, to me, liberty does not include the freedom to impose yourself upon others. When somebody else hosts an event that you don't have to go to they should be able to control the rules. In fact that's part of THEIR liberty. If they want to say you have to go to the event with a ring in your nose if you want to go they should be able to require that and if you don't like it don't go. You should not be able to force them to change their rules to accomodate your wishes.

And that's what's going on here. In fact, the thing that really frosts me is that in this twisted America in which the idea of "freedom" has been distorted into the concept of forcing other people to accomodate you, my understanding is that it's likely that she will actually be able to FORCE them to hold a prom now. Suppose their reason for canceling the prom is that they do not believe in what she's doing so they don't want to faciliate it. They should be free to opt not to facilitate it.

But where, in this situation, do the rules say before this incident that one can not go to prom with someone of the same sex? how is going to prom as such "impose yourself upon others" i nor the school should care who takes who to prom

JohnStOnge wrote:

here in G-Town, SC someone can go to the Prom alone, what's wrong with someone going with the same sex? Seriously, where are these rules?

I was probably a bit harsh with my initial comments and if I were responsible for hosting a prom I probably wouldn't have any rules at all with respect to such things. I would let people come alone. I would let them come with their friends. I would let them come with dates. I would let them wear swimsuits if they want. If there were no laws on indecent exposure (which would not exist if I had my way) I would let them come naked.

However, to me, liberty does not include the freedom to impose yourself upon others. When somebody else hosts an event that you don't have to go to they should be able to control the rules. In fact that's part of THEIR liberty. If they want to say you have to go to the event with a ring in your nose if you want to go they should be able to require that and if you don't like it don't go. You should not be able to force them to change their rules to accomodate your wishes.

And that's what's going on here. In fact, the thing that really frosts me is that in this twisted America in which the idea of "freedom" has been distorted into the concept of forcing other people to accomodate you, my understanding is that it's likely that she will actually be able to FORCE them to hold a prom now. Suppose their reason for canceling the prom is that they do not believe in what she's doing so they don't want to faciliate it. They should be free to opt not to facilitate it.

the difference here is that government is hosting the party and imposing itself on those who don't share its values

JohnStOnge wrote:

here in G-Town, SC someone can go to the Prom alone, what's wrong with someone going with the same sex? Seriously, where are these rules?

I was probably a bit harsh with my initial comments and if I were responsible for hosting a prom I probably wouldn't have any rules at all with respect to such things. I would let people come alone. I would let them come with their friends. I would let them come with dates. I would let them wear swimsuits if they want. If there were no laws on indecent exposure (which would not exist if I had my way) I would let them come naked.

However, to me, liberty does not include the freedom to impose yourself upon others. When somebody else hosts an event that you don't have to go to they should be able to control the rules. In fact that's part of THEIR liberty. If they want to say you have to go to the event with a ring in your nose if you want to go they should be able to require that and if you don't like it don't go. You should not be able to force them to change their rules to accomodate your wishes.

And that's what's going on here. In fact, the thing that really frosts me is that in this twisted America in which the idea of "freedom" has been distorted into the concept of forcing other people to accomodate you, my understanding is that it's likely that she will actually be able to FORCE them to hold a prom now. Suppose their reason for canceling the prom is that they do not believe in what she's doing so they don't want to faciliate it. They should be free to opt not to facilitate it.

By all means, John. Host a private event. Host a private "prom" with a big sign out front that says "NO GAYS!". When GLAAD comes out to boycot your event, I'll be right beside you defending your right as a private citizen to do whatever the hell it is you want to do.

But this is a public event hosted by a public school using (at some level) taxpayers money. From that point forward, the school district loses the right to tell this young woman who she can bring to the prom. Plenty of heterosexual girls that didn't have boyfriends (and couldn't get a date) brought their "girl friends" from other schools to my high school prom. Where do you draw the line?

The party at fault here for making this a big deal is the school district. Kids are remarkably resilient and comfortable with people different than themselves nowadays. I'm willing to bet that if this young lady is willing to file a lawsuit on this issue, it wasn't exactly a secret that she was a homosexual before this issue came about. I'm sure she's probably at some level a social outcast, but the school has survived. The education process at the school has survived, and I've seen no reports of how it has been compromised due to her homosexuality. I'm sure at some level the kids moved on.

The school district made a big deal about this. And now they're not just disenfranchising this young lady, but the entire school. Every 18 year old senior at this school has had their prom canceled -- a night they've been waiting for for years -- because of the homophobia and bigotry of a few school leaders. If the kids can be in a classroom with the young lady and survive, you're telling me they won't be able to stomach watching her with a date? Puh-leeze.