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Are free enterprise, the U.S. Constitution and the Gospel in conflict?

I say no, because the Constitution provides the greatest possible freedom for each individual to follow the Gospel to the fullest possible extent according to their own consciences.

Furthermore, the system of free enterprise - including the private property rights protected by the Constitution - optimizes the resources available to give people the opportunity to alleviate suffering.

Your turn soul man. This is your question.

native wrote:Are free enterprise, the U.S. Constitution and the Gospel in conflict?

I say no, because the Constitution provides the greatest possible freedom for each individual to follow the Gospel to the fullest possible extent according to their own consciences.

Furthermore, the system of free enterprise - including the private property rights protected by the Constitution - optimizes the resources available to give people the opportunity to alleviate suffering.

Your turn soul man. This is your question.

What part of "we the people", and "promote the general welfare" don't you understand?

native wrote:Are free enterprise, the U.S. Constitution and the Gospel in conflict?

I say no, because the Constitution provides the greatest possible freedom for each individual to follow the Gospel to the fullest possible extent according to their own consciences.

Furthermore, the system of free enterprise - including the private property rights protected by the Constitution - optimizes the resources available to give people the opportunity to alleviate suffering.

Your turn soul man. This is your question.

That's really a pretty dumb question, Neighbor.

In the United States you have every right to believe that ancient nomadic goat herders had their cosmology right if that's what you want to do. I'm embarrassed for you, but certainly you have the right.

houndawg wrote:

native wrote:Are free enterprise, the U.S. Constitution and the Gospel in conflict?

I say no, because the Constitution provides the greatest possible freedom for each individual to follow the Gospel to the fullest possible extent according to their own consciences.

Furthermore, the system of free enterprise - including the private property rights protected by the Constitution - optimizes the resources available to give people the opportunity to alleviate suffering.

Your turn soul man. This is your question.

That's really a pretty dumb question, Neighbor.

In the United States you have every right to believe that ancient nomadic goat herders had their cosmology right if that's what you want to do. I'm embarrassed for you, but certainly you have the right.

Not to mention several of the more important founders might not have intended for the consitiution to jive with the gospels. They were deists.

houndawg wrote:I'm embarrassed for you

Coming from you that's a compliment.

89Hen wrote:

houndawg wrote:I'm embarrassed for you

Coming from you that's a compliment.

kalm wrote:

houndawg wrote:

That's really a pretty dumb question, Neighbor.

In the United States you have every right to believe that ancient nomadic goat herders had their cosmology right if that's what you want to do. I'm embarrassed for you, but certainly you have the right.

Not to mention several of the more important founders might not have intended for the consitiution to jive with the gospels. They were deists.

Maybe a return to the thinking of the founding fathers is why Paganism is the fastest growing religion in the US.

native wrote:Are free enterprise,

There is no such thing as Free Enterprise in the U.S. and I am not sure if there ever was...


Free Enterprise


Definition
Business governed by the laws of supply and demand, not restrained by government interference, regulation or subsidy. also called free market.

polsongrizz wrote:

native wrote:Are free enterprise,

There is no such thing as Free Enterprise in the U.S. and I am not sure if there ever was...


Free Enterprise


Definition
Business governed by the laws of supply and demand, not restrained by government interference, regulation or subsidy. also called free market.

There is no free market anywhere except Somalia right now.

I would refine the question:
Is nationalism in conflict with the Gospel?

soul man wrote:I would refine the question:
Is nationalism in conflict with the Gospel?

Color me confused, I thought there were many Gospels?

Gospel: the good news of Christ

kalm wrote:

native wrote:Are free enterprise, the U.S. Constitution and the Gospel in conflict?

I say no, because the Constitution provides the greatest possible freedom for each individual to follow the Gospel to the fullest possible extent according to their own consciences.

Furthermore, the system of free enterprise - including the private property rights protected by the Constitution - optimizes the resources available to give people the opportunity to alleviate suffering.

Your turn soul man. This is your question.

What part of "we the people", and "promote the general welfare" don't you understand?

The part where progressives pull redistributionist concepts our of their arses and make up a bunch of shit about the Constitution.

polsongrizz wrote:

native wrote:Are free enterprise,

There is no such thing as Free Enterprise in the U.S. and I am not sure if there ever was...


Free Enterprise


Definition
Business governed by the laws of supply and demand, not restrained by government interference, regulation or subsidy. also called free market.

Your definition is (perhaps intentionally?) insufficient, because it does not include a consideration of fraud and force, against which the US Constitution was the designed to provide protection. So, except for a modest bit of regulation, your points are well taken, pg.

Wiki has a broad and excellent discussion on the subject.

http://www.ask.com/wiki/Free_market" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

soul man wrote:I would refine the question:
Is nationalism in conflict with the Gospel?

That's not a revision, it's a thread hijack!

But I posed the original question for you, preacher man, so the revision sounds ok to me.

Are are limiting the discussion to American nationalism? Or are we talking about any nationalism?

Why not post a couple of your sermons on the subject?

Let's stick with American. Which comes first your faith or your patriotism?

Excerpted from the excellent Wiki discussion of free markets:

A free market is a market without economic intervention and regulation by government except to regulate against force or fraud. This is the contemporary use of the terminology used by economists and in popular culture; the term has had other uses historically. A free market economy is an economy where all markets within in it are free. This requires protection of property rights, but no regulation, no subsidization, no government-imposed monopolistic monetary system, and no governmental monopolies. It is the opposite of a controlled market, where the government regulates how the means of production, goods, and services are used, priced, or distributed.

The theory holds that within the ideal free market, property rights are voluntarily exchanged at a price arranged solely by the mutual consent of sellers and buyers. By definition, buyers and sellers do not coerce each other, in the sense that they obtain each other's property rights without the use of physical force, threat of physical force, or fraud, nor are they coerced by a third party (such as by government via transfer payments) [1] and they engage in trade simply because they both consent and believe that what they are getting is worth more than or as much as what they give up. Price is the result of buying and selling decisions en masse as described by the theory of supply and demand.

Free markets contrast sharply with controlled markets or regulated markets, in which governments directly or indirectly regulate prices or supplies, which according to free market theory causes markets to be less efficient.[2] Where government intervention exists, the market is a mixed economy.

http://www.ask.com/wiki/Free_market" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

8 points down half time bump
Which is the greater element of your life: faith or patriotism?

So if you say God, then do Catholics have Rome-rule?

Do you do something that is destructive to the US, but furthers what you think will bring back Christ?

soul man wrote:Let's stick with American. Which comes first your faith or your patriotism?

That is a fair question. The answer is God, of course, but not necessarily what you may imagine God to be.

Absent the issue of slavery, the single most horrible blight on our history, there is no conflict between faith and our nation as envisioned by the founders. More than any other form of government or nationalism or tribal organization ever devised, the U.S. Constitution provides for the greatest possible freedom for faith in God and optimal empowerment to perform God's work on earth as one CHOOSES. Anthything that restricts such freedom is ultimately an attack on God.

I must also ask you this: If you are advocating for forced redistribution of wealth, where is the faith in your faith? What do you actually believe in? How do you justify taking your neighbor's cloak?

soul man wrote:8 points down half time bump
Which is the greater element of your life: faith or patriotism?

"Half time bump?" The game hasn't even started.

My patriotism protects Christians from being slaughtered in the forum and give Christians the chance to be the best they can be.

Pre-game bump back at ya! What are you waiting for? Hoping to hoist me upon my own petard? No need to wait - I have already posted hundreds of times on this and similar subjects.

My advantage over you and your seed, soul man, is that when (not if) you catch me making a mistake, I will gladly aknowledge my error and apologize.

Answer quickly - I'm hoping to have either a new contract or a new job next week!

I posted at the half time of the Wofford game.

Are you ready to apologize?

soul man wrote:I posted at the half time of the Wofford game.

Are you ready to apologize?

OK. Sorry for interrupting the game.

(Is that what you wanted me to apologize for, sm?)

native wrote:

soul man wrote:I posted at the half time of the Wofford game.

Are you ready to apologize?

OK. Sorry for interrupting the game.

(Is that what you wanted me to apologize for, sm?)

Well, you were wrong about when I posted You and I have differing opinions. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

soul man wrote:

native wrote: OK. Sorry for interrupting the game.

(Is that what you wanted me to apologize for, sm?)

Well, you were wrong about when I posted You and I have differing opinions. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

Since you don't stand for communism, what is it that we disagee about, so that we can disagree agreeably?

If you were to stand for communism and fail to recognize it and draw the distinctions, then I cannot in good conscience be agreeable, soul man.