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Can someone explain why if people are dying every day because they don't have health care and if the health care bill will reduce the deficit why are we waiting until 2012, 2014 or later to enact most of the items? Just the deficit savings alone should be enough to implement it now.

It's so everyone who voted for this will be long gone and nowhere in sight to take responsibility for it.

Budget finagling.

Somethings will take time to set up like the exchanges... but, I think the main reason is because Obama promised to deliver a deficit neutral bill... and this helps the accounting.

Skjellyfetti wrote:Budget finagling.

Somethings will take time to set up like the exchanges... but, I think the main reason is because Obama promised to deliver a deficit neutral bill... and this helps the accounting.

But what about the 127 people a day that are dying because they don't have healthcare? Four more years of no health care means another 185,000 people die unnecessarily. I thought this was all about helping the uninsured.

Or is it that the whole CBO estimate is BULLSHIT????!!!!!!!

HI54UNI wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:Budget finagling.

Somethings will take time to set up like the exchanges... but, I think the main reason is because Obama promised to deliver a deficit neutral bill... and this helps the accounting.

But what about the 127 people a day that are dying because they don't have healthcare? Four more years of no health care means another 185,000 people die unnecessarily. I thought this was all about helping the uninsured.

Or is it that the whole CBO estimate is BULLSHIT????!!!!!!!

Approx 220,000 people die in Canada each year with universal healthcare.
Canada's Population is approx 33,000,000
Approx 43,000,000 Americans don't have healthcare
185,000 of them die without healthcare

Gil Dobie wrote:

HI54UNI wrote:
But what about the 127 people a day that are dying because they don't have healthcare? Four more years of no health care means another 185,000 people die unnecessarily. I thought this was all about helping the uninsured.

Or is it that the whole CBO estimate is BULLSHIT????!!!!!!!

Approx 220,000 people die in Canada each year with universal healthcare.
Canada's Population is approx 33,000,000
Approx 43,000,000 Americans don't have healthcare
185,000 of them die without healthcare

There are more wolves in Canada.

HI54UNI wrote: But what about the 127 people a day that are dying because they don't have healthcare? Four more years of no health care means another 185,000 people die unnecessarily. I thought this was all about helping the uninsured.

No, a pool is being set up now for uninsured people with medical problems. This will be done in a matter of months. Not four years. You need to educate yourself about the bill. Some things don't occur until 2020. Some until 2014.

Here's a timeline of when things will go into effect:
http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=12183312" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
First thing listed is helping the uninsured with serious medical problems

And lots not on that list went into effect immediately.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

HI54UNI wrote: But what about the 127 people a day that are dying because they don't have healthcare? Four more years of no health care means another 185,000 people die unnecessarily. I thought this was all about helping the uninsured.

No, a pool is being set up now for uninsured people with medical problems. This will be done in a matter of months. Not four years. You need to educate yourself about the bill. Some things don't occur until 2020. Some until 2014.

Here's a timeline of when things will go into effect:
http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=12183312" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
First thing listed is helping the uninsured with serious medical problems

And lots not on that list went into effect immediately.

Thanks for the info

Jelly, thanks for straightening these conk niggers out.

D1B wrote:Jelly, thanks for straightening these conk niggers out.

D1B must be a teabagger

SDHornet wrote:It's so everyone who voted for this will be long gone and nowhere in sight to take responsibility for it.

2011-Imposes $2.3 billion annual fee on drugmakers, increasing over time.


People thought drug companies charges a lot for drugs now...

clenz wrote:2011-Imposes $2.3 billion annual fee on drugmakers, increasing over time.


People thought drug companies charges a lot for drugs now...

Doesn't matter what they cost if you don't have access to them

These new policies are about giving relatively equal access

That's a good thing

OSBF wrote:

clenz wrote:2011-Imposes $2.3 billion annual fee on drugmakers, increasing over time.


People thought drug companies charges a lot for drugs now...

Doesn't matter what they cost if you don't have access to them

These new policies are about giving relatively equal access

That's a good thing

It does matter once people get access.


Even if they get insurance to get cover a % of it, if the rates keep going up because drug companies are paying millions of dollars in fees, the rates for drugs go up, thus the % uncovered still goes up.


I get the point of it, but this seems like it will become a big issue in terms of cost, even if insured.


If I have insured access to drugs, but due to the drug companies paying millions in fees they triple the cost of drugs it doesn't do me any good if the cost is still going to be that high when I have to pay for them.


I would also think, maybe I'm wrong here I don't know and it wouldn't shock me if I was, that if companies know more people are going to be buying drugs, they can charge a little more and get a little more for the drugs because now everyone will get them.