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Conservative economist, Dr. Barry Asmus. He was the keynote at our Chamber of Commerce dinner earlier this evening.

Polished speaker who had great insight into healthcare and the proper role of government in the affairs of man. Drawing on a prodigious knowledge of American and world history, and his travels all over the world, he essentially distilled the power of america as deriving from freedom, private property and the protection of private propery owners.

He attributed all the historic economic fuck ups essentially to inept government, not the market as people like to blame, including the most recent one (forcing banks to lend money to unqualified borrowers).

Unlike the conks here, he eloquently and powerfully argued against big government. Of course he had a problem with the recent healthcare debacle. Again, unlike conks here, he actually ARTICULATED A SOLUTION RATHER THAN JUST SAYING "NO". Seemed brilliantly simple and I'll try my best to paraphrase, while half in the bag. And sorry if you've heard this before :

1. Employers should offer employees a cheap and high deductible catastrophic health care policy, like $3,000 deduct. This covers the heart attacks (Tman), liver failures (Ursus A. H), Cancer, and getting your dick bitten off by an angry transvestite (Cleets). So you have the big things covered which is cool and very affordable for business.

2. Put some or all of the money saved into individual HSA's (Health Savings Accounts) and let the employee deal directly with the provider, essentially eliminate the third party. Makes sense. There is hardly a "free market" in health care and HMO's etc. squash competition and keep costs high.

He says the disconnect between the consumer (patient) and the provider (doctor) is the problem. People don't know what health care actually costs, because someone else is always paying for it (employer, HMO, Insurance co. or government). Make the patient deal directly with the provider, let the free market prevail, and health care costs would plummet. Makes sense, plus we'd be taking way better care of ourselves.

Good speaker, great points, good conk.

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Never heard of him, but he's not splitting atoms there. He described the EXACT plan we had at my previous employer. It's called 'consumer driven healthcare'. Google it.

But, whatever it takes to get you to begin admitting conks are smarter than donks...I'll take it.



You're welcome.

D1B wrote:
He says the disconnect between the consumer (patient) and the provider (doctor) is the problem. People don't know what health care actually costs, because someone else is always paying for it (employer, HMO, Insurance co. or government). Make the patient deal directly with the provider, let the free market prevail, and health care costs would plummet. Makes sense, plus we'd be taking way better care of ourselves.

There's a measure in the bill that I believe addresses this:

[H]ospitals will have to post prices. Insurance products will be presented with standardized information, consumer ratings and quality measures. The payments physicians take from drug and device companies will be in a public database. There will be independent funding for research on the relative effectiveness of different treatments. Some of these changes are small and some are big, but put together, the system is going to become a lot more visible in the coming years.

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D1B wrote:Conservative economist, Dr. Barry Asmus. He was the keynote at our Chamber of Commerce dinner earlier this evening.

Polished speaker who had great insight into healthcare and the proper role of government in the affairs of man. Drawing on a prodigious knowledge of American and world history, and his travels all over the world, he essentially distilled the power of america as deriving from freedom, private property and the protection of private propery owners.

He attributed all the historic economic **** ups essentially to inept government, not the market as people like to blame, including the most recent one (forcing banks to lend money to unqualified borrowers).

Unlike the conks here, he eloquently and powerfully argued against big government. Of course he had a problem with the recent healthcare debacle. Again, unlike conks here, he actually ARTICULATED A SOLUTION RATHER THAN JUST SAYING "NO". Seemed brilliantly simple and I'll try my best to paraphrase, while half in the bag. And sorry if you've heard this before :

1. Employers should offer employees a cheap and high deductible catastrophic health care policy, like $3,000 deduct. This covers the heart attacks (Tman), liver failures (Ursus A. H), Cancer, and getting your dick bitten off by an angry transvestite (Cleets). So you have the big things covered which is cool and very affordable for business.

2. Put some or all of the money saved into individual HSA's (Health Savings Accounts) and let the employee deal directly with the provider, essentially eliminate the third party. Makes sense. There is hardly a "free market" in health care and HMO's etc. squash competition and keep costs high.

He says the disconnect between the consumer (patient) and the provider (doctor) is the problem. People don't know what health care actually costs, because someone else is always paying for it (employer, HMO, Insurance co. or government). Make the patient deal directly with the provider, let the free market prevail, and health care costs would plummet. Makes sense, plus we'd be taking way better care of ourselves.

Good speaker, great points, good conk.

http://barryasmus.com/biography.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Good to see you learn something, J.

That is my healthcare plan, also. Sorry to tell you this, but that is one thing that Dubya was really pushing for in the middle years of his presidency. Most people shit all over themselves because the deductible is so high, but you save tremendously on the month to month costs plus because many employers contribute to your HSA, your account will have the deductible covered in no time. In my plan, once you meet the deductible it pays like a normal 80/20 plan until you hit $10,000, and after that the plan pays 100%.

Awesome plan.
Thanks for being the cause of it going away in the near future, Obama.

Baldy wrote:

D1B wrote:Conservative economist, Dr. Barry Asmus. He was the keynote at our Chamber of Commerce dinner earlier this evening.

Polished speaker who had great insight into healthcare and the proper role of government in the affairs of man. Drawing on a prodigious knowledge of American and world history, and his travels all over the world, he essentially distilled the power of america as deriving from freedom, private property and the protection of private propery owners.

He attributed all the historic economic **** ups essentially to inept government, not the market as people like to blame, including the most recent one (forcing banks to lend money to unqualified borrowers).

Unlike the conks here, he eloquently and powerfully argued against big government. Of course he had a problem with the recent healthcare debacle. Again, unlike conks here, he actually ARTICULATED A SOLUTION RATHER THAN JUST SAYING "NO". Seemed brilliantly simple and I'll try my best to paraphrase, while half in the bag. And sorry if you've heard this before :

1. Employers should offer employees a cheap and high deductible catastrophic health care policy, like $3,000 deduct. This covers the heart attacks (Tman), liver failures (Ursus A. H), Cancer, and getting your dick bitten off by an angry transvestite (Cleets). So you have the big things covered which is cool and very affordable for business.

2. Put some or all of the money saved into individual HSA's (Health Savings Accounts) and let the employee deal directly with the provider, essentially eliminate the third party. Makes sense. There is hardly a "free market" in health care and HMO's etc. squash competition and keep costs high.

He says the disconnect between the consumer (patient) and the provider (doctor) is the problem. People don't know what health care actually costs, because someone else is always paying for it (employer, HMO, Insurance co. or government). Make the patient deal directly with the provider, let the free market prevail, and health care costs would plummet. Makes sense, plus we'd be taking way better care of ourselves.

Good speaker, great points, good conk.

http://barryasmus.com/biography.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Good to see you learn something, J.

That is my healthcare plan, also. Sorry to tell you this, but that is one thing that Dubya was really pushing for in the middle years of his presidency. Most people shit all over themselves because the deductible is so high, but you save tremendously on the month to month costs plus because many employers contribute to your HSA, your account will have the deductible covered in no time. In my plan, once you meet the deductible it pays like a normal 80/20 plan until you hit $10,000, and after that the plan pays 100%.

Awesome plan.
Thanks for being the cause of it going away in the near future, Obama.

DumbyDem wrote:"Buh..."

AZGrizFan wrote:Never heard of him, but he's not splitting atoms there. He described the EXACT plan we had at my previous employer. It's called 'consumer driven healthcare'. Google it.

But, whatever it takes to get you to begin admitting conks are smarter than donks...I'll take it.



You're welcome.

Z, I believe he lives in Phoenix.

AZGrizFan wrote:Never heard of him, but he's not splitting atoms there. He described the EXACT plan we had at my previous employer. It's called 'consumer driven healthcare'. Google it.

But, whatever it takes to get you to begin admitting conks are smarter than donks...I'll take it.



You're welcome.

I didn't say he was splitting atoms, asshole. Hence, my inclusion of "sorry if you heard this before". I assumed it was either used, in some degree before, or brought up by someone like Ron Paul.

If you fuckers were so smart, you would have got this passed during the Bush Admin and never got us distracted with that fucking war. Thanks conks.

Baldy wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:Never heard of him, but he's not splitting atoms there. He described the EXACT plan we had at my previous employer. It's called 'consumer driven healthcare'. Google it.

But, whatever it takes to get you to begin admitting conks are smarter than donks...I'll take it.



You're welcome.

Z, I believe he lives in Phoenix.

Yup, grew up in Colorado.

Baldy wrote:

D1B wrote:Conservative economist, Dr. Barry Asmus. He was the keynote at our Chamber of Commerce dinner earlier this evening.

Polished speaker who had great insight into healthcare and the proper role of government in the affairs of man. Drawing on a prodigious knowledge of American and world history, and his travels all over the world, he essentially distilled the power of america as deriving from freedom, private property and the protection of private propery owners.

He attributed all the historic economic **** ups essentially to inept government, not the market as people like to blame, including the most recent one (forcing banks to lend money to unqualified borrowers).

Unlike the conks here, he eloquently and powerfully argued against big government. Of course he had a problem with the recent healthcare debacle. Again, unlike conks here, he actually ARTICULATED A SOLUTION RATHER THAN JUST SAYING "NO". Seemed brilliantly simple and I'll try my best to paraphrase, while half in the bag. And sorry if you've heard this before :

1. Employers should offer employees a cheap and high deductible catastrophic health care policy, like $3,000 deduct. This covers the heart attacks (Tman), liver failures (Ursus A. H), Cancer, and getting your dick bitten off by an angry transvestite (Cleets). So you have the big things covered which is cool and very affordable for business.

2. Put some or all of the money saved into individual HSA's (Health Savings Accounts) and let the employee deal directly with the provider, essentially eliminate the third party. Makes sense. There is hardly a "free market" in health care and HMO's etc. squash competition and keep costs high.

He says the disconnect between the consumer (patient) and the provider (doctor) is the problem. People don't know what health care actually costs, because someone else is always paying for it (employer, HMO, Insurance co. or government). Make the patient deal directly with the provider, let the free market prevail, and health care costs would plummet. Makes sense, plus we'd be taking way better care of ourselves.

Good speaker, great points, good conk.

http://barryasmus.com/biography.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Good to see you learn something, J.

That is my healthcare plan, also. Sorry to tell you this, but that is one thing that Dubya was really pushing for in the middle years of his presidency. Most people shit all over themselves because the deductible is so high, but you save tremendously on the month to month costs plus because many employers contribute to your HSA, your account will have the deductible covered in no time. In my plan, once you meet the deductible it pays like a normal 80/20 plan until you hit $10,000, and after that the plan pays 100%.

Awesome plan.
Thanks for being the cause of it going away in the near future, Obama.

I'm a fiscal conservative, dove, social progressive.

Get off Obama, at least for this. This Iraq war and economy collapse derailed anything the Bush Admin was capable of, not Obama.

D1B wrote:He attributed all the historic economic fuck ups essentially to inept government, not the market as people like to blame, including the most recent one (forcing banks to lend money to unqualified borrowers).

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D1B wrote:Conservative economist, Dr. Barry Asmus. He was the keynote at our Chamber of Commerce dinner earlier this evening.

Polished speaker who had great insight into healthcare and the proper role of government in the affairs of man. Drawing on a prodigious knowledge of American and world history, and his travels all over the world, he essentially distilled the power of america as deriving from freedom, private property and the protection of private propery owners.

He attributed all the historic economic **** ups essentially to inept government, not the market as people like to blame, including the most recent one (forcing banks to lend money to unqualified borrowers).

Unlike the conks here, he eloquently and powerfully argued against big government. Of course he had a problem with the recent healthcare debacle. Again, unlike conks here, he actually ARTICULATED A SOLUTION RATHER THAN JUST SAYING "NO". Seemed brilliantly simple and I'll try my best to paraphrase, while half in the bag. And sorry if you've heard this before :

1. Employers should offer employees a cheap and high deductible catastrophic health care policy, like $3,000 deduct. This covers the heart attacks (Tman), liver failures (Ursus A. H), Cancer, and getting your dick bitten off by an angry transvestite (Cleets). So you have the big things covered which is cool and very affordable for business.

2. Put some or all of the money saved into individual HSA's (Health Savings Accounts) and let the employee deal directly with the provider, essentially eliminate the third party. Makes sense. There is hardly a "free market" in health care and HMO's etc. squash competition and keep costs high.

He says the disconnect between the consumer (patient) and the provider (doctor) is the problem. People don't know what health care actually costs, because someone else is always paying for it (employer, HMO, Insurance co. or government). Make the patient deal directly with the provider, let the free market prevail, and health care costs would plummet. Makes sense, plus we'd be taking way better care of ourselves.

Good speaker, great points, good conk.

http://barryasmus.com/biography.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Outsanding summary! Thank you!

D1B wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:Never heard of him, but he's not splitting atoms there. He described the EXACT plan we had at my previous employer. It's called 'consumer driven healthcare'. Google it.

But, whatever it takes to get you to begin admitting conks are smarter than donks...I'll take it.



You're welcome.

I didn't say he was splitting atoms, asshole. Hence, my inclusion of "sorry if you heard this before". I assumed it was either used, in some degree before, or brought up by someone like Ron Paul.

If you fuckers were so smart, you would have got this passed during the Bush Admin and never got us distracted with that fucking war. Thanks conks.

Gotten what "passed"? The market was correcting itself, D, WITHOUT government interference. Employers were moving more and more to consumer-driven healthcare (yes, becuase of the cost). It was WORKING. And now it'll implode.

AZGrizFan wrote:

D1B wrote:
I didn't say he was splitting atoms, asshole. Hence, my inclusion of "sorry if you heard this before". I assumed it was either used, in some degree before, or brought up by someone like Ron Paul.

If you fuckers were so smart, you would have got this passed during the Bush Admin and never got us distracted with that fucking war. Thanks conks.

Gotten what "passed"? The market was correcting itself, D, WITHOUT government interference. Employers were moving more and more to consumer-driven healthcare (yes, becuase of the cost). It was WORKING. And now it'll implode.

Point taken. I will do my part to advocate for this plan. Too bad you fuckers are owned the religious right AND low lifes like the Palinites and Teabaggers. You have some great ideas, but we'd have to let you in the house.....