Christian Militia Members Charged in Police Murder Plot

[JMU DJ]

WASHINGTON — Nine members of a Michigan-based Christian militia group have been indicted on sedition and weapons charges in connection with an alleged plot to murder law enforcement officers in hopes of setting off an anti-government uprising.

In court filings unsealed Monday, the Justice Department accused the nine people of planning to kill an unidentified law enforcement officer, then plant improvised explosive devices of a type used by insurgents in Iraq to attack the funeral procession.

Eight of the defendants were arrested over the weekend in raids in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana. A ninth remained at large, the Justice Department said. The indictments against them were returned last Tuesday. The defendants were identified as members of Hutaree, described by federal prosecutors as an anti-government extremist organization based in Lenawee County, Michigan, and which advocates violence against local, state and federal law enforcement. The group saw local and state police as “foot soldiers” for the federal government, which it viewed as its enemy, along with participants in what they deemed to be a “New World Order,” according to the indictment.

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A law enforcement official said that the alleged plot was unconnected to recent threats against Democratic members of Congress who voted for legislation overhauling the nation’s health care system.

A Web site for the Hutaree group talks about a coming battle against the putative forces of the Anti-Christ and hosts an “evil Jews Forum,” but does not appear to focus explicitly on recent political events.

The Web site, which describes the group as “preparing for the end times,” featured video clips of people running through woods in camouflage gear and firing assault rifles, along with links to gun stores and far-right media. It also features an elaborate system of military ranks for its members. The site says it coined the term Hutaree, intended to mean Christian warrior.

“Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment,” the Web site says, adding, “The Hutaree will one day see its enemy and meet him on the battlefield if so God wills it.”

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Not related to the Health Care Bill... so not the violence Native was talking about.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Framed

[danefan]

Framed

I just spit out my lunch.

[Chizzang]

I'm always fascinated by folks making claims about "what Jesus wants"

[93henfan]

Nothing to see here. Some of us said that a certain element would come out of the woodwork if a democrat were elected president again, and guess what's happening...


Here come da choppas!!

[kalm]

Nothing to see here. Some of us said that a certain element would come out of the woodwork if a democrat were elected president again, and guess what's happening...


Here come da choppas!!

The militia's and the NRA are going a long way toward hurting gun rights.

[AZGrizFan]

Eight of the defendants were arrested over the weekend in raids in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana. A ninth remained at large, the Justice Department said.

[Wedgebuster]

onward Christian Soldiers!

[houndawg]

Don't forget to take down the street signs to confuse the UN troops when they invade.

[D1B]

Eight of the defendants were arrested over the weekend in raids in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana. A ninth remained at large, the Justice Department said.

racist

[blueballs]

Where's Janet Reno when we really need her????

[Wedgebuster]

'Long as it's ok with Jesus, it's ok with me.

[kalm]

So should these terrorists go through the regular court system or should they be refused certain rights, considered enemy combatants, and shipped off to Gitmo to await a military tribunal?

[AZGrizFan]

racist

buttpirate

[ToTheLeft]

I'm always fascinated by folks making claims about "what Jesus wants"

Particularly since a Christian should be praying to God and having truth revealed to him by the Holy Spirit, not Jesus.

[native]

So should these terrorists go through the regular court system or should they be refused certain rights, considered enemy combatants, and shipped off to Gitmo to await a military tribunal?

Although the distinction means shit to you, kalm, these particular terrorists are U.S. CITIZENS. I don't care for the fvcking idiots, but in this case, they DO deserve Constitutional rights.

[CID1990]

Don't forget to take down the street signs to confuse the UN troops when they invade.

As long as they are in Engrish we won't have to.

[youngterrier]

So should these terrorists go through the regular court system or should they be refused certain rights, considered enemy combatants, and shipped off to Gitmo to await a military tribunal?

Although the distinction means shit to you, kalm, these particular terrorists are U.S. CITIZENS. I don't care for the fvcking idiots, but in this case, they DO deserve Constitutional rights.

even though no where in the Constitution does it say that Rights are limited to citizens of the United States. I believe the wording is "the people"

[COBBLESTONE]

I say hang every one of them in Madison Square Garden (or any large sports venue) and have it on pay-per-view; I'll gladly attend or purchase a subscription to watch. These "militia" groups have no busniness calling themselves a militia. Maybe they should look it up in a dictionary. These idiots are a disgrace to anyone who has ever served in the military.

[JohnStOnge]

I'm always fascinated by folks making claims about "what Jesus wants"

I think it's pretty easy to see a lot of Jesus' philosophy in the Gospels. They're not identical but I think they're pretty consistent in presenting His philosophical outlook. It'd be real tough to make the argument that he wants people to do what this group is alleged to have been doing. In fact, if you're honest about it, you'd have to say that he wouldn't even want you to physically defend yourself if attacked. I think that if one REALLY tried to conform to a reasonable interpretation of what Jesus would want there would be no United States because there'd have been no American Revolution. And if we suddenly went to that now we'd just lay down our arms and offer no resistance if some other country wanted to invade and take over us.

[kalm]

So should these terrorists go through the regular court system or should they be refused certain rights, considered enemy combatants, and shipped off to Gitmo to await a military tribunal?

Although the distinction means **** to you, kalm, these particular terrorists are U.S. CITIZENS. I don't care for the fvcking idiots, but in this case, they DO deserve Constitutional rights.

No way man, they're terrorists first and citizens second - we're at war, the constitution is on hold.

[houndawg]

I'm always fascinated by folks making claims about "what Jesus wants"

I think it's pretty easy to see a lot of Jesus' philosophy in the Gospels. They're not identical but I think they're pretty consistent in presenting His philosophical outlook. It'd be real tough to make the argument that he wants people to do what this group is alleged to have been doing. In fact, if you're honest about it, you'd have to say that he wouldn't even want you to physically defend yourself if attacked. I think that if one REALLY tried to conform to a reasonable interpretation of what Jesus would want there would be no United States because there'd have been no American Revolution. And if we suddenly went to that now we'd just lay down our arms and offer no resistance if some other country wanted to invade and take over us.

Nobody knows for certain that the recycled Egyptian sun god myth called "Jesus" even existed, let alone what his real opinions might have been. Everything is third-hand friend-of-a-friend stuff put out by people who had their own agenda.. It really points to how insignificant he was in his own time; a time when the landscape was crawling with people claiming to be the messiah.

Er, John, you don't actually believe any of that Jesus nonsense, do you?

[blueballs]

I think it's pretty easy to see a lot of Jesus' philosophy in the Gospels. They're not identical but I think they're pretty consistent in presenting His philosophical outlook. It'd be real tough to make the argument that he wants people to do what this group is alleged to have been doing. In fact, if you're honest about it, you'd have to say that he wouldn't even want you to physically defend yourself if attacked. I think that if one REALLY tried to conform to a reasonable interpretation of what Jesus would want there would be no United States because there'd have been no American Revolution. And if we suddenly went to that now we'd just lay down our arms and offer no resistance if some other country wanted to invade and take over us.

Nobody knows for certain that the recycled Egyptian sun god myth called "Jesus" even existed, let alone what his real opinions might have been. Everything is third-hand friend-of-a-friend stuff put out by people who had their own agenda.. It really points to how insignificant he was in his own time; a time when the landscape was crawling with people claiming to be the messiah.

Er, John, you don't actually believe any of that Jesus nonsense, do you?

Since there is no video or even notarized statements from 2000 years ago how can we be sure the identity, accomplishments, or opinions of anybody who existed? You don't really believe Julius Caeser or Caligula or anybody like that existed do you? After all, there is no concrete proof...

... that's why they call it FAITH.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Although the distinction means **** to you, kalm, these particular terrorists are U.S. CITIZENS. I don't care for the fvcking idiots, but in this case, they DO deserve Constitutional rights.

even though no where in the Constitution does it say that Rights are limited to citizens of the United States. I believe the wording is "the people"

It also doesnt say anywhere in the UNITED STATES constitution that rights are not limited to the citizens of the United States.

"We the people in order to form a more perfect union"?

Just spitballin here but when your writing a Constitution for the United States and you use the words "we the people" you are not talking about illegal foreign terrorists. Your talking about the people of the United States.

I am also just spitballin again but I believe the founding fathers believed NOBODY could ever be so stupid and flat ass ignorant that this isnt completely obvious.

For once the founding fathers were wrong.

[houndawg]

Nobody knows for certain that the recycled Egyptian sun god myth called "Jesus" even existed, let alone what his real opinions might have been. Everything is third-hand friend-of-a-friend stuff put out by people who had their own agenda.. It really points to how insignificant he was in his own time; a time when the landscape was crawling with people claiming to be the messiah.

Er, John, you don't actually believe any of that Jesus nonsense, do you?

Since there is no video or even notarized statements from 2000 years ago how can we be sure the identity, accomplishments, or opinions of anybody who existed? You don't really believe Julius Caeser or Caligula or anybody like that existed do you? After all, there is no concrete proof...

... that's why they call it FAITH.

There are first-hand reports from people who actually met with JC and Cal. Not so in the case of Jesus. I mean really, if there was such a person, and he was a Jew, how come he had a Mexican name?

FAITH: the willful suspension of disbelief in spite of all evidence to the contrary.