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The new poll of 1,033 adults was taken by landline and cell phone over three days, Friday through Sunday, as the debate over the legislation continued unabated. The margin of error is plus or minus 4 percentage points.

The failure of the new law to get even plurality support is especially sobering for House Democrats from competitive congressional districts who heeded pleas from the White House and congressional leaders to vote "yes." The legislation passed 219-212, with just three votes to spare.

"There was on the Democratic side a burst of enthusiasm after it passed saying, Ah, now voters are being won over,' " says Charles Franklin, a political scientist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison who studies polling. "The cumulating data this past seven days says that, no, a miracle didn't happen and the public didn't suddenly change their views on this. It means that the Democrats still face a tough sell of a public close to evenly divided on this and even slightly more opposed than in favor, and that difficulty didn't go away with passage."

KY!!!! Does this poll lack "validity" too?

Say goodnight, Gracie....the party is about to be O-V-E-R for donks.

I especially liked this part...particularly after KY was literally peeing his pants over the poll results taken "immediately after a major event"...

A one-day poll taken immediately after a major event is subject not only to sampling error but also to very short-term effects, he says. On the day after the bill passed, he notes, "the news cycle was dominated by the positive side of the story and only a bit by the Republicans' rebuttal to that."

"The health care bill passed by Congress and signed by Obama was supported by only 34 percent of Floridians in the poll and opposed by 54 percent. The bill was especially unpopular among senior citizens, a big voting bloc in Florida..."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/fl-natio ... 9660.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hey, DONKS!!!!

Come out to play-ay!!!

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AZGrizFan wrote:particularly after KY was literally peeing his pants over the poll results taken "immediately after a major event"...

I wasn´t peeing in my pants over that poll. Pretty sure my first post said that it shouldn´t be taken too seriously since it was put out in one day of polling.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:particularly after KY was literally peeing his pants over the poll results taken "immediately after a major event"...

I wasn´t peeing in my pants over that poll. Pretty sure my first post said that it shouldn´t be taken too seriously since it was put out in one day of polling.

Skjellyfetti wrote:If you quoted the whole post you would have seen I was saying that the polls taken before the passage of the bill don't mean squat. The ones after mean a whole lot more. That's why I posted "Bandwagon fans" in the first post of this one. And, as I also posted in this thread... this poll is only somewhat more meaningful... we'll really have a better idea in a week or so.

Skjellyfetti wrote:I don't give a shit about a poll done a few days before the bill was signed. I care a lot more about ones done AFTER.

OK.

I guess we got our "better idea"?

It appears the more BHO and his cronies try to sell this thing to the public the less Americans are liking it:
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AZGrizFan wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:
I wasn´t peeing in my pants over that poll. Pretty sure my first post said that it shouldn´t be taken too seriously since it was put out in one day of polling.

Skjellyfetti wrote:If you quoted the whole post you would have seen I was saying that the polls taken before the passage of the bill don't mean squat. The ones after mean a whole lot more. That's why I posted "Bandwagon fans" in the first post of this one. And, as I also posted in this thread... this poll is only somewhat more meaningful... we'll really have a better idea in a week or so.

Skjellyfetti wrote:I don't give a **** about a poll done a few days before the bill was signed. I care a lot more about ones done AFTER.

OK.

I guess we got our "better idea"?

Yes, definitely.

I still think the numbers will turn around when they see the changes in effect. According the poll yosef posted above... a lot of Americans aren't sure about the bill and think they will be heavily taxed for it.

That said, I was hoping for a quicker turn around.

They will be heavily taxed for it.

Somebody has to pay for it.


I realize that anyone that supports this bill is fu*king clueless as to how the government gets their money.

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:They will be heavily taxed for it.

Somebody has to pay for it.

Well, I guess heavily is relative... but, their income won't be taxed AT ALL unless they're making $200,000 - $250,000 (depending on family). And only a 3.8% tax on unearned income. There are new taxes on the most expensive plans (and noone will be taxed for them until 2018...). Also, all your trips to the tanning bed will cost you an additional 10%. Not heavily taxed, imo.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:They will be heavily taxed for it.

Somebody has to pay for it.

Well, I guess heavily is relative... but, their income won't be taxed AT ALL unless they're making $200,000 - $250,000 (depending on family). And only a 3.8% tax on unearned income. There are new taxes on the most expensive plans (and noone will be taxed for them until 2018...). Also, all your trips to the tanning bed will cost you an additional 10%. Not heavily taxed, imo.

That's racist.

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:I realize that anyone that supports this bill is fu*king clueless as to how the government gets their money.

This is the part that KY is ignoring. Most people don't understand this part.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:They will be heavily taxed for it.

Somebody has to pay for it.

Well, I guess heavily is relative... but, their income won't be taxed AT ALL unless they're making $200,000 - $250,000 (depending on family). And only a 3.8% tax on unearned income. There are new taxes on the most expensive plans (and noone will be taxed for them until 2018...). Also, all your trips to the tanning bed will cost you an additional 10%. Not heavily taxed, imo.

Don't forget the limit of $2500 on a flexible spending account. That impacts EVERYBODY!!!!

bobbythekidd wrote:

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:I realize that anyone that supports this bill is fu*king clueless as to how the government gets their money.

This is the part that KY is ignoring. Most people don't understand this part.

I don't understand why all of a sudden everybody is so worried about spending. We just spent eight years, and counting, borrowing from the Chinese to finance two invasions half way around the world. A little health care ain't gonna hurt nobody after that.

Instead of pissing away our nation's wealth, what's left of it anyway, on military quagmires, why don't we instead use it to give ourselves the kind of health care we provide for our so-called leaders?

Skjellyfetti wrote:

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:They will be heavily taxed for it.

Somebody has to pay for it.

Well, I guess heavily is relative... but, their income won't be taxed AT ALL unless they're making $200,000 - $250,000 (depending on family). And only a 3.8% tax on unearned income. There are new taxes on the most expensive plans (and noone will be taxed for them until 2018...). Also, all your trips to the tanning bed will cost you an additional 10%. Not heavily taxed, imo.

Alot more than that. Medicare tax not capped like FICA.
The top effective income tax bracket before Obamacare: 36.45% (35% income + 1.45% medicare)
Top tax effective income bracket 2011: 41.95% (39.6% income + 2.35% medicare)

Cap gains before Obamacare: 15%
Cap gains 2011: 23.8%

Dividends before Obamacare: 15%
By 2013: 23.8% to 43.4%, to be determined

Tax on dividends is a double taxation as it is.

.."* The biggest revenue raiser in the healthcare package is an increase in the Medicare payroll tax by 0.9 percent on incomes over $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for couples filing jointly starting in 2013.

That higher income group also would pay a new 3.8 percent tax on income from investments including capital gains, dividends and interest starting in 2013.

Coupled with the scheduled expiration of President George W. Bush's tax cuts at the end of 2010, the Medicare tax would bring the top tax rate on capital gains to 23.8 percent in 2013.

Under current law, the top rate on capital gains jumps to 20 percent from 15 percent in January. If Congress fails to act on Bush's expiring tax breaks, the dividends, currently taxed at a top rate of 15 percent, will be taxed as ordinary income, with the top rate scheduled to rise to 39.6 percent from 35 percent.

That means the tax on dividends could go as high as 43.4 percent when the new Medicare tax goes into effect in 2013. But Obama has proposed a top dividend tax rate of 20 percent. If Congress enacts Obama's proposal, the top tax rate for dividends would rise to 23.8 percent in 2013....."
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2220951920100322" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

BDKJMU wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:
Well, I guess heavily is relative... but, their income won't be taxed AT ALL unless they're making $200,000 - $250,000 (depending on family). And only a 3.8% tax on unearned income. There are new taxes on the most expensive plans (and noone will be taxed for them until 2018...). Also, all your trips to the tanning bed will cost you an additional 10%. Not heavily taxed, imo.

Alot more than that. Medicare tax not capped like FICA.
The top effective income tax bracket before Obamacare: 36.45% (35% income + 1.45% medicare)
Top tax effective income bracket 2011: 41.95% (39.6% income + 2.35% medicare)

Cap gains before Obamacare: 15%
Cap gains 2011: 23.8%

Dividends before Obamacare: 15%
By 2013: 23.8% to 43.4%, to be determined

Tax on dividends is a double taxation as it is.

.."* The biggest revenue raiser in the healthcare package is an increase in the Medicare payroll tax by 0.9 percent on incomes over $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for couples filing jointly starting in 2013.

That higher income group also would pay a new 3.8 percent tax on income from investments including capital gains, dividends and interest starting in 2013.

Coupled with the scheduled expiration of President George W. Bush's tax cuts at the end of 2010, the Medicare tax would bring the top tax rate on capital gains to 23.8 percent in 2013.

Under current law, the top rate on capital gains jumps to 20 percent from 15 percent in January. If Congress fails to act on Bush's expiring tax breaks, the dividends, currently taxed at a top rate of 15 percent, will be taxed as ordinary income, with the top rate scheduled to rise to 39.6 percent from 35 percent.

That means the tax on dividends could go as high as 43.4 percent when the new Medicare tax goes into effect in 2013. But Obama has proposed a top dividend tax rate of 20 percent. If Congress enacts Obama's proposal, the top tax rate for dividends would rise to 23.8 percent in 2013....."
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2220951920100322" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

KY is still in training pants, BDK. Go easy on him.