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Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:04 am
by Baldy
I know, just what the board needs is another Palin thread, but that isn't the focus of this post (though the "Progressive" apologists onboard will attempt to hijack it).

Seriously, does anyone else get the irony and hypocrisy?

Palin’s CSU Secret Speaking Fee Causes Outrage Over Her ‘Anti-Intellectual’ and ‘Polarizing Rhetoric’
"(ChattahBox)—The university foundation of California State University, Stanislaus, is under fire for hiring Sarah Palin to speak at a $500 per ticket, gala black-tie fundraising event in June, to celebrate the university’s 50th anniversary. The foundation is refusing to disclose Palin’s fee. And Students, professors and even a state lawmaker, point to the former half-term governor of Alaska’s vitriol, divisiveness and her hefty speaking fees of at least $100,000, as not appropriate for a University celebration. Her lack of intellectual curiosity is cited by Zoology Professor Patrick Kelly, who started an anti-Palin Facebook page, pointing out her distinct lack of academic accomplishments. In other woods, the academic community of CSU is outraged and embarrassed to have their school’s 50th anniversary celebration represented by a know-nothing, polarizing woman, whose major contribution to the public discourse has been inflammatory rhetoric, such as “palling around with terrorists” and “death panels,” which won PolitiFact’s Lie of the Year award.

Matt Swanson, president of the university foundation, is not concerned with the negative reaction to his choice of Palin as a speaker. He says his main objective is to raise cash and, just like a three-headed monkey, Palin will draw a crowd and hopefully encourage attendees to open their wallets.

“At the end of the day, we need to have people invigorated and excited about writing a big check,” Swanson said. “We knew she was going to be super popular and super unpopular. She was the best fund-raising choice we could make.”

Swanson is refusing to release the amount of Palin’s speaking fee, saying the speaking contract prohibits disclosure, but he claims that no outstanding donations have gone towards the hiring of Palin. “This event is being 100 percent funded with fresh, private money coming into the foundation,” he said.

But at a time when the University is slashing budgets and canceling classes, the academic community is incensed at the idea of handing someone like Sarah Palin $100,000.

Regardless of her popularity and a fresh infusion of donor funds to pay for her appearance, critics of the decision to hire Palin will not be rebuffed. State Sen. Leland Yee, D-San Francisco, issued a press release demanding that the foundation reveal what it’s paying Palin.

Yee directed his letter to Campus President Hamid Shirvani, who also serves as the chair of the foundation: “The sensational nature of former Governor Palin’s political commentary, coupled with an ongoing book tour, has allowed her to charge top dollar for speaking engagements.” [...] “The CSU should immediately disclose how much money is being diverted from students to pay Sarah Palin’s exorbitant speaking fees,” said Yee.

Yee’s chief of staff, Adam Keigwin, said “The foundation is there solely for the purpose of helping students,” Keigwin said. “If money for scholarships is going into the pocket of Sarah Palin — or anybody — the public should know.”

Swanson responded to Yee’s criticism, by thanking him for the free publicity.

And a student group is planning a counter 50th anniversary celebration, which will be free or for a minimal cost and is scheduled in May, when the majority of students are still on campus.

Professor Kelly’s Facebook page, “Sarah Palin, Terrible Choice for 50th Anniversary of CSU Stanislaus,” already has about 900 members. He writes on his anti-Palin Facebook page that her hiring by the CSU foundation to headline a gala 50th anniversary event is an insult and a slap in the face to educated people everywhere:

“For many reasons, Mrs. Palin is an unsuitable choice to headline the gala event to celebrate the university’s 50-year existence. She is widely regarded as anti-intellectual, and her polarizing rhetoric and intolerance of views that differ from her own run counter to the very “Idea of a University” (cf. Cardinal John H. Newman, 1801-90). However, perhaps the most important reason is this gala anniversary should be about the institution and education, not focused on a celebrity-politician who has no familiarity with the former and no record of accomplishment with the latter,” Prof. Kelly writes."
There are so many, but this is my favorite, "...her polarizing rhetoric and intolerance of views that differ from her own run counter to the very “Idea of a University...”. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You can't make this stuff up, folks. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

"Progressives"...the gift that just keeps giving. :lol:

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:12 am
by OSBF
I'd be sort of alarmed at a public institution funded at least in majority by public fundage(taxes) refusing to disclose expenditures. Some Cal taxpayer needs to go see the university admins with FOIA form in hand.

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:17 am
by Baldy
OSBF wrote:I'd be sort of alarmed at a public institution funded at least in majority by public fundage(taxes) refusing to disclose expenditures. Some Cal taxpayer needs to go see the university admins with FOIA form in hand.
That's not an issue. Palin's appearance is being funded by private donations.

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:23 am
by OSBF
Baldy wrote:
OSBF wrote:I'd be sort of alarmed at a public institution funded at least in majority by public fundage(taxes) refusing to disclose expenditures. Some Cal taxpayer needs to go see the university admins with FOIA form in hand.
That's not an issue. Palin's appearance is being funded by private donations.
The fuck it isn't an issue

Public funded organizations can not hide expenses

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:36 am
by kalm
There are so many, but this is my favorite, "...her polarizing rhetoric and intolerance of views that differ from her own run counter to the very “Idea of a University...”. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I'll bet he hates the dutch too. :thumb:

She'd be a more appropriate choice for a lecture series than an anniversary celebration. Then again, they probably couldn't afford her that.

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:25 pm
by AZGrizFan
OSBF wrote:
Baldy wrote: That's not an issue. Palin's appearance is being funded by private donations.
The fuck it isn't an issue

Public funded organizations can not hide expenses
The fuck it is...if it's being funded by private donations, it's not an expense. Is that too complicated for you?

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:35 pm
by kalm
AZGrizFan wrote:
OSBF wrote:
The **** it isn't an issue

Public funded organizations can not hide expenses
The **** it is...if it's being funded by private donations, it's not an expense. Is that too complicated for you?
Isn't it still an expense, regardless of how it's paid for or that the fees are covered? Wouldn't that be a matter of public record for a state university?

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:36 pm
by OSBF
AZGrizFan wrote:
OSBF wrote:
The fuck it isn't an issue

Public funded organizations can not hide expenses
The fuck it is...if it's being funded by private donations, it's not an expense. Is that too complicated for you?

Public institution=public records

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:36 pm
by Appaholic
Call me elitist, but I love this line...

"However, perhaps the most important reason is this gala anniversary should be about the institution and education, not focused on a celebrity-politician who has no familiarity with the former and no record of accomplishment with the latter,” Prof. Kelly writes.

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:41 pm
by 93henfan
OSBF wrote: Public funded organizations can not hide expenses
Really? Then let me know what KC Keeler's salary is.

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:48 pm
by Col Hogan
93henfan wrote:
OSBF wrote: Public funded organizations can not hide expenses
Really? Then let me know what KC Keeler's salary is.
Now, you have to admire the idealist, although uninformed, idea he's trying to force down our throats...

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:48 pm
by OSBF
93henfan wrote:
OSBF wrote: Public funded organizations can not hide expenses
Really? Then let me know what KC Keeler's salary is.

put in a FOIA request

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:49 pm
by Col Hogan
OSBF wrote:
93henfan wrote:
Really? Then let me know what KC Keeler's salary is.

put in a FOIA request
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You really believe that's the answer...

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:56 pm
by blueballs
Looks like the liberal academicia at this university is engaging in the exact behavior they accuse the GOP of in the legislative process, which is this:

Instead of offering a more lucrative alternative they just say no...

I find it hilarious that they offer no better alternative that will raise more money for the university foundation, which I take is purely an ideological stance, not a financial one.

Memo to you libs solidly encased in your tenure filled world insulated from the real world with the rest of us:

If you spend $100k and bring in $500k it is better than spending little or nothing and bringing in $100k.

Kudos to the Bald sage for seeing through the smokescreen into the true one sided ideological issue here.

I also find it mildly amusing, but mostly sad, that some college professor says a former governor who was one of the two major party's nominee for Vice President has "no record of academic achievement." Tha's just rich... memo to you prof: Nobody gives a rats ass about your degrees or tenure. Tha lady makes more per hour than you do in a year and has risen to a place of higher prominence in two years than you will in your entire lifetime. Reeks of elitism but mostly jealously... sad really. :roll:

Besides, you never know... Palin might turn right around and donate all or a part of the fee right back to the institution.

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:57 pm
by blueballs
Also, many here who will post stating that Palin should not be allowed to speak or that she should be paid had absolutely no problem with Bill Ayers being paid to speak at GSU last year... :coffee:

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:02 pm
by OSBF
Col Hogan wrote:
OSBF wrote:

put in a FOIA request
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You really believe that's the answer...
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Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:11 pm
by OSBF
From a piece published in "The Daily Illini", school daily new rag at UIUC:

The salaries of University employees are public record and already are available in "The Gray Book" at the University Library. This searchable version of our printed Salary Guide allows this information to be a little more accessible to the public. You can search the list of employees by name, department, title, campus or salary range. While this database includes both part-time and full-time employees on all three University campuses, it does not include any personal information, such as e-mail addresses or phone numbers. The numbers have been reprinted exactly as they were given to The Daily Illini, with no manipulation, after filing a Freedom of Information Request.

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Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:14 pm
by OSBF
Col Hogan wrote:
OSBF wrote:

put in a FOIA request
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You really believe that's the answer...
Yeah, it is

I work in the public sector, we have a full time staff dedicated to servicing/answering FOIA requests

The FOIA is an EXTREMELY powerful tool, and underutilized by the public

Pretty much anything that isn't classified will be provided if you ask, correctly

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:19 pm
by 93henfan
Keep in mind that Delaware receives both public and private monies and uses the latter to squash any requests for salary information.

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:19 pm
by houndawg
Appaholic wrote:Call me elitist, but I love this line...

"However, perhaps the most important reason is this gala anniversary should be about the institution and education, not focused on a celebrity-politician who has no familiarity with the former and no record of accomplishment with the latter,” Prof. Kelly writes.
I like: "....his main objective is to raise cash, and just like a three-headed monkey, Palin will draw a crowd....." :lol:

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:27 pm
by 93henfan
OSBF wrote: The FOIA is an EXTREMELY powerful tool, and underutilized by the public

Pretty much anything that isn't classified will be provided if you ask, correctly
Nope.

I respond to FOIA requests for US Government contract information all the time. I can tell you that it's really up to the person releasing the information to decide how much you get. You really don't have a right to whatever you want, even if it's unclassified. There are many reasons to deny or heavily redact requested information beside classification.

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:35 pm
by OSBF
93henfan wrote:
OSBF wrote: The FOIA is an EXTREMELY powerful tool, and underutilized by the public

Pretty much anything that isn't classified will be provided if you ask, correctly
Nope.

I respond to FOIA requests for US Government contract information all the time. I can tell you that it's really up to the person releasing the information to decide how much you get. You really don't have a right to whatever you want, even if it's unclassified. There are many reasons to deny or heavily redact requested information beside classification.
not my problem that you guys don't understand the FOIA law, our agency chooses to follow the law, so we don't end up the subject of a court case

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:36 pm
by 93henfan
OSBF wrote:
93henfan wrote:
Nope.

I respond to FOIA requests for US Government contract information all the time. I can tell you that it's really up to the person releasing the information to decide how much you get. You really don't have a right to whatever you want, even if it's unclassified. There are many reasons to deny or heavily redact requested information beside classification.
not my problem that you guys don't understand the FOIA law, our agency chooses to follow the law, so we don't end up the subject of a court case
We follow the law to the letter, including legal review.

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:50 pm
by Appaholic
blueballs wrote:I also find it mildly amusing, but mostly sad, that some college professor says a former governor who was one of the two major party's nominee for Vice President has "no record of academic achievement." Tha's just rich... memo to you prof: Nobody gives a rats ass about your degrees or tenure. Tha lady makes more per hour than you do in a year and has risen to a place of higher prominence in two years than you will in your entire lifetime. Reeks of elitism but mostly jealously... sad really. :roll:
I was with you until this paragraph, BB. What's academic achievment got to do with what you make per hr? That's akin to saying a union machinist with no degree should be teaching HS since he makes more than a college-trained teacher. The professor's statement regarding academic achievements, while petty & misguided, are not inaccurate. This is a university (ie; academic) function. I'd wager it requires more years of study to be a college prof than it does a gov of Alaska...well, more than 2 years...

Re: Gotta Love those Mouthbreathing "Progressives"

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:11 pm
by Baldy
OSBF wrote: Public institution=public records
Thanks for the expected hijacking, D.B. Cooper. :lol:

The California State University - Stanislaus University Foundation is a PRIVATE fundraising organization and NOT AN ARM of the public university. It is not subject to public disclosure requirements nor is it subject to FOIA guidelines. Is that clear enough for you?

Foundations of this type are basically no different than PRIVATE athletic foundations at other colleges and universities.

Now, it's time to tackle the ironic and hypocritical statements from those professors, politicians, and students. :lol: