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http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/200 ... teral.html

In 52 seconds, he rattles off what an Obama presidency would mean for our national defense; slowing down of existing programs to build new weapons, cutting "tens of billions" of dollars in "wasteful" spending, scrapping missile defense completely, and setting up an "independent defense priority review board" (you can imagine the anti-defense liberals sitting on that board) to make sure we don't waste any money building "unnecessary" weapons.

That's not all. Obama wishes upon a star for a "nuclear free world" and to that end, he will not allow any new designs for nukes nor will be build any new ones. He wants to talk to the Russians about re-targeting our missiles and "deep cuts" in our nuclear arsenal.

This is dangerous and stupid. Slowing down current weapons projects only makes them more expensive over the long term (but it looks good politically because of the money saved up front). He calls the anti-missile system "unproven" - and thank God for that because the only way to "prove" that it works is to shoot down an incoming missile. Recent successes have been incredible - shooting down a target traveling at Mach 7 is no simple matter. And almost every test shows improvement.

Why scrap the system now after spending tens of billions of dollars and when we are close to success? Lunacy!

I shudder when I think his 1960's style liberal friends have a go at the defense budget. Considering the fact they don't think we face any threats, we'll be lucky to keep the Army band.

Then there's his pie in the sky notion of a nuclear free world. Everyone wishes for that. Heck, I wish that the moon was made of Velveeta cheese but wishing will never make it so. And somehow, I just can't picture him and Putin on the same page about much of anything. Obama, the charmer, the ideologue and Putin, the aggressive, canny, ruthless autocrat.

Maybe we can convince a grown up to hold his hand during those negotiations.

In effect, Obama wants to gut the military to make sure we never go to war again. He has said as much on the campaign trail. And if a time ever comes, God forbid, where we would find it necessary to project our power to the far flung corners of the earth in order to protect Americans or American interests under an Obama presidency, I fear the military would be forced to tell him that it wouldn't be possible.

Obama is McGovern, Carter, and John Kerry all rolled into one when it comes to maintaining and improving our defenses. He would be a disaster as president and this video shows very clearly why.

Well, Coastal, the video is back up...your written description is pretty accurate...

If this is truely his heartfelt opinion on the future of military spening, then I have no choice but to vote for McCain...another hold-my-nose election...

Haven't seen the video - won't be able to until tonight.

Serious question - Can you honestly say that there is NOT billions of dollars of wasteful military spending?

Is there NOT an issue with Congress authorizing programs/systems that cost billions, solely because the money is spent in an influential Congressman/Senator's district?

Have we NOT rushed into new, unproven weapons systems costing billions, only to scrap them?

dbackjon wrote:Haven't seen the video - won't be able to until tonight.

Serious question - Can you honestly say that there is NOT billions of dollars of wasteful military spending?

Is there NOT an issue with Congress authorizing programs/systems that cost billions, solely because the money is spent in an influential Congressman/Senator's district?

Have we NOT rushed into new, unproven weapons systems costing billions, only to scrap them?

If you believe a President will stop Congress from authorizing programs/systems that cost billions, solely because the money is spent in an influential Congressman/Senator's district, than you don't know enough about how the system works...

McCain won't stop it...he may curtail some of it...Obama won't stop it...he may curtail some of it...

And yes, we spend billions on new, unproven weapons systems...you have to spend the money to get the system to then prove it works...very few have been scrapped all together...there is a cost for research and development...

And I think you can find some waste in the best of programs in the government...why focus on defense...let's find the waste in education...in DHS..in agriculture...in all government programs...

Col Hogan wrote:

dbackjon wrote:Haven't seen the video - won't be able to until tonight.

Serious question - Can you honestly say that there is NOT billions of dollars of wasteful military spending?

Is there NOT an issue with Congress authorizing programs/systems that cost billions, solely because the money is spent in an influential Congressman/Senator's district?

Have we NOT rushed into new, unproven weapons systems costing billions, only to scrap them?

If you believe a President will stop Congress from authorizing programs/systems that cost billions, solely because the money is spent in an influential Congressman/Senator's district, than you don't know enough about how the system works...

McCain won't stop it...he may curtail some of it...Obama won't stop it...he may curtail some of it...

And yes, we spend billions on new, unproven weapons systems...you have to spend the money to get the system to then prove it works...very few have been scrapped all together...there is a cost for research and development...

And I think you can find some waste in the best of programs in the government...why focus on defense...let's find the waste in education...in DHS..in agriculture...in all government programs...

Yes, there is waste in all programs - all should be audited.

Definition time:

Republican: One who cries over the welfare queen, but blusters about how questioning any defense spending makes one un-American, wanting to turn the country over to the Commies, Nazis, Muslims (pick the enemy of the moment) and anti-military.

Democrat: One who cries over the $40,000 toliet seat, but blusters about how questioning any social program makes one cold, heartless, uncaring and generally an asshole.

dbackjon wrote:Haven't seen the video - won't be able to until tonight.

Serious question - Can you honestly say that there is NOT billions of dollars of wasteful military spending?

Is there NOT an issue with Congress authorizing programs/systems that cost billions, solely because the money is spent in an influential Congressman/Senator's district?

Have we NOT rushed into new, unproven weapons systems costing billions, only to scrap them?

Two part response, Jon... (hey, keep your mouse away from that backspace button...)

First, as taxpayers we should begrudge the military, education and/or NASA the latitude to make errors in budgeting/spending more than the Health and Human Services agencies, as military and scientific R&D often spin off technologies, patents and products that make their way into the every person's daily life, improving the quality and safety for every American. As for education, in an ideal world, if education succeeded as intended, many of the 'support services' funded by the govt.'s HHS agencies could either be entirely eliminated or drastically cut back. I know that seems Utopian, but let's look at the other side of the coin...

...compare the military oversight to other H.H.S. program's oversight. I can tell you from experience, the lack of oversight in fraudulently administered food service programs is beyond laughable. For many, many years, street-level drug dealers used food stamps as currency, because even if they were caught with $10k of food stamps in $10 denominations each with a different serial number, since the federal government did not maintain the list of recepients with the issued serial number, that could never be used as evidence during prosecution. Or, how many times have you witnessed someone at the checkout in the grocery store with their groceries separated into two groups/piles...one with the milk, cereal, cheese, bread, baby food, WIC approved items, etc...that's paid for with food stamps and/or WIC coupons...

...and the other pile with the booze, steaks, cigarettes, etc...they pay for with the cash they've saved not having to pay for their own groceries.

I've seen this taxpayer rip off more times than I could ever recall, while shopping in California, Upstate NY, Florida, Texas, Michigan, Oregon (just the incidents I do remember).

Secondly, as for that oversight, I took the time to pull up just a handful of prosecutions by military oversight agencies during the past 4 years...

There's a huge difference between other govt. agencies and the Pentagon and branch forces, which ALREADY have extensive oversight agencies and personnel that have been VERY effective at rooting out those who attempt to defraud our military…

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/1004/100104g1.htm

Ex-Pentagon procurement executive gets jail time

By George Cahlink gcahlink@govexec.com October 1, 2004

Darleen Druyun, former No. 2 acquisition executive for the Air Force, was sentenced to nine months in prison on Friday for negotiating a job with Boeing at the same time she was involved in contracts with the company, the nation's second-largest Defense contractor.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... i_n6006301

Reason, May, 2004 by Charles Oliver

Robert Neal and Francis Jones, former senior procurement officers in the Pentagon, each were sentenced to more than 24 years in federal prison for conspiracy, extortion, money laundering, witness tampering, and obstruction of justice. The two were found to have demanded cash, gifts, and sexual favors from prostitutes sent by companies trying to do business with the military.

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=12596

US: Pentagon's Top Watchdog Resigned Amid Claims of Stonewalling Inquiries

The resignation comes after Sen. Charles E. Grassley sent Defense Department Inspector General Joseph E. Schmitz several letters informing him that he was the focus of a congressional inquiry…

…The first of the criminal investigations in which Schmitz allegedly intervened involved John A. "Jack" Shaw, the former deputy undersecretary of Defense for international technology security.

Shaw, who was the subject of a series of articles in The Times last year, tried to manipulate a lucrative contract in Iraq in 2004 to favor a telecommunications company whose board included a close friend, according to whistle-blowers who worked for the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... 1766.story

Inside the world of war profiteers

From prostitutes to Super bowl tickets, a federal probe reveals how contractors in Iraq cheated the U.S.

…Federal prosecutors in Rock Island have indicted four former supervisors from KBR, the giant defense firm that holds the contract, along with a decorated Army officer and five executives from KBR subcontractors based in the U.S. or the Middle East. Those defendants, along with two other KBR employees who have pleaded guilty in Virginia, account for a third of the 36 people indicted to date on Iraq war-contract crimes, Justice Department records show.

The dollar value of Army contracts quadrupled from $23.3 billion in 1992 to $100.6 billion in 2006, according to a recent report by a Pentagon panel. But the number of Army contract supervisors was cut from 10,000 in 1990 to 5,500 currently.

Last week, the Army pledged to add 1,400 positions to its contracting command. But even those embroiled in the frauds acknowledge the impact of so much war privatization.

"I think we downsized past the point of general competency," said subcontractor Christopher Cahill, who for a decade prepared military supply depots under LOGCAP. Now serving 30 months in federal prison for fraud, Cahill added: "The point of a standing army is to have them equipped."

KBR, a former subsidiary of Halliburton Co., says it has been paid $28 billion under LOGCAP III. The firm says it quickly reports all instances of suspected fraud and has repaid the Defense Department more than $1 million for questionable invoices.

In a statement, KBR said its roughly 20,000 employees and 40,000 subcontractors have performed laudably in a war zone where Army demands shift rapidly and local suppliers don't always maintain ledger books. Spokeswoman Heather Browne wrote: "Ethics and integrity are core values for KBR."

The Bottomline:
Obama’s suggestion of an ‘independent’ oversight committee is politic-speak for a backdoor Blue Pencil veto over any project he deems unworthy, unnecessary, or, even when he just wants to defer a significant amount of Defense spending to ‘cook the books’ and put more money in the General Fund. It’s one of the oldest tricks in politics. It allows he and the other pro-communist Democrats to gut our national defense, jeopardize our security (thereby forcing us to ally with potentially dubious countries for our own protection), and more importantly, eliminating our prominence as a superpower, while at the same time providing a scape-goat buffer for themselves… I wouldn’t be surprised to see Obama attempt to stack such a committee with some anti-military pseudo-Republican/Conservatives (RINO’s) like Charles Grassley, Chuck Hagel, Lindsey Graham, Comrade Olympia Snowe, Lincoln Chafee, Arlen Specter, Michael Bloomberg, Chris Shays, or Mike Castle, so when the military collapses, the Dems can effectively point their finger and blame the Republicans. You have to admit, Jon, if what Obama said represents even half of what he could succeed as President, the ramifications are beyond comprehension.

Partisan politics with the afterburners on full throttle…

…pointed directly at the United States Constitution and our National security.

FVCK OBAMA! The guy’s gone overboard from being a impotent quasi-socialist pussy to an outright communist bent on destroying America.

McCAIN 2008!!!!!

dbackjon wrote:Haven't seen the video - won't be able to until tonight.

Serious question - Can you honestly say that there is NOT billions of dollars of wasteful military spending?

Is there NOT an issue with Congress authorizing programs/systems that cost billions, solely because the money is spent in an influential Congressman/Senator's district?



Have we NOT rushed into new, unproven weapons systems costing billions, only to scrap them?

you are ineligible to serve so in my mind you should just never comment on the military. or straighten up. we need new weapons systems and yes sometimes they don't work as well as expected....that's when we sell the tech to other countries. every dime spent on defense is necessary to protect you douchebag civilians who stab us in the back at every opportunity or when the fight gets a little tough you hide behind your defeatist and cowardly words with phrases like "support the troops...not the mission" well you know what gaywad you can't have it both ways.

citdog wrote:

dbackjon wrote:Haven't seen the video - won't be able to until tonight.

Serious question - Can you honestly say that there is NOT billions of dollars of wasteful military spending?

Is there NOT an issue with Congress authorizing programs/systems that cost billions, solely because the money is spent in an influential Congressman/Senator's district?



Have we NOT rushed into new, unproven weapons systems costing billions, only to scrap them?

you are ineligible to serve so in my mind you should just never comment on the military. or straighten up. we need new weapons systems and yes sometimes they don't work as well as expected....that's when we sell the tech to other countries. every dime spent on defense is necessary to protect you douchebag civilians who stab us in the back at every opportunity or when the fight gets a little tough you hide behind your defeatist and cowardly words with phrases like "support the troops...not the mission" well you know what gaywad you can't have it both ways.

Illegible to serve because of ignorant bigoted fucktards like you. In case you don't know, our Republic is civilian ruled. Not that you care about the United States Constitution.

Not every dime is necessary - there is plenty of waste and fraud in the military, just as there is in every other branch of the government.

I fully support our troops, but that doesn't mean I have to support every mission the idiot in the White House sends them on. I have enough intellegence to make the discernation between the two. Supporting the troops also means that the troops are deployed ONLY when necessary, and not needlessly put into harm's way.

dbackjon wrote:

citdog wrote:
you are ineligible to serve so in my mind you should just never comment on the military. or straighten up. we need new weapons systems and yes sometimes they don't work as well as expected....that's when we sell the tech to other countries. every dime spent on defense is necessary to protect you douchebag civilians who stab us in the back at every opportunity or when the fight gets a little tough you hide behind your defeatist and cowardly words with phrases like "support the troops...not the mission" well you know what gaywad you can't have it both ways.

Illegible to serve because of ignorant bigoted f**k[*] like you. In case you don't know, our Republic is civilian ruled. Not that you care about the United States Constitution.

Not every dime is necessary - there is plenty of waste and fraud in the military, just as there is in every other branch of the government.

I fully support our troops, but that doesn't mean I have to support every mission the idiot in the White House sends them on. I have enough intellegence to make the discernation between the two. Supporting the troops also means that the troops are deployed ONLY when necessary, and not needlessly put into harm's way.

not wanting to serve with those who suck penis and take it up the ass doesn't make me a bigot. just like you having an opinion on the military doen't mean that you have EARNED the right to have an opinion on the military.

you cannot "support our troops" while you speak about cutting off funding, and turning tail and running away. the honor of the service will not permit this. we are at war...and we are there until we win. not that victory matters any to you or those of your ilk. all you want to do is score political points off of our blood.

Damn...it's pretty heated in here...

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MarkCCU wrote:Damn...it's pretty heated in here...

take off your clothes

BigApp wrote:

MarkCCU wrote:Damn...it's pretty heated in here...

take off your clothes

You'd enjoy that...wouldn't you?

Clinton gutted the military and look what happened. Obama scares the hell out of me because of his church and what his wife said. Their 20 years of listening to the church of "whitey is out to get you" is not forgot overnight even if the DNC says to "renounce" your connection to your pastor. The US has a lot of enemys in the Muslem world and that is Obama's roots. Can he bridge the gap, I don't think he wants to or will.

I don't think McCain would be a great president either but this election has me very worried about the direction we are moving as a country. Illegial immigrants that have more rights than citizens do, wasteful spending on pork that is out of control and a war where we are sensitive to who gets killed while our soldiers lose their lives everyday. Make Iraq use their oil to pay us for their country being liberated, finish the job by eradicating the extremists ASAP and then get out.

putter wrote:Clinton gutted the military and look what happened. Obama scares the hell out of me because of his church and what his wife said. Their 20 years of listening to the church of "whitey is out to get you" is not forgot overnight even if the DNC says to "renounce" your connection to your pastor. The US has a lot of enemys in the Muslem world and that is Obama's roots. Can he bridge the gap, I don't think he wants to or will.

I don't think McCain would be a great president either but this election has me very worried about the direction we are moving as a country. Illegial immigrants that have more rights than citizens do, wasteful spending on pork that is out of control and a war where we are sensitive to who gets killed while our soldiers lose their lives everyday. Make Iraq use their oil to pay us for their country being liberated, finish the job by eradicating the extremists ASAP and then get out.

I agree with you but "eradiacting the extremists ASAP" is easier said than done. This is not the conventional, USA v.s Iraq. THere isn't one standard army we are fighting, it's a populace.

MarkCCU wrote:
You'd enjoy that...wouldn't you?

very much so! I prefer it to be done burlesque style, leave the stilleto's on

BigApp wrote:

MarkCCU wrote:
You'd enjoy that...wouldn't you?

very much so! I prefer it to be done burlesque style, leave the stilleto's on

We're waiting, Mark.....

I'm not the whore I once was. My body is a temple. A rebuilt, temple.