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Blue Cross Blue Shield of Arizona, Arizona's largest health insurer based on revenue, predicts that health insurance for adults in their 20s could increase 30 percent or more once reform starts. Other health consultants and industry groups also predict price spikes for young adults.

Those higher rates will likely come as a shock to young adults because so many choose not to purchase health insurance, but they will be required to buy insurance under reform."Younger and healthier people pay less for insurance now," said Jeff Stelnik, Blue Cross's vice president and chief actuary. "With federal reform, younger individuals will need to subsidize those over 50. In essence, they will be paying more than their fair share."

I won't say "I told you so".

But seriously, these morons in Washington need to be taken out back and shot.

Single payer - the only solution that puts your health ahead of the quarterly P&L statement.

Younger adults know that they are f'd until 75% of baby boomers are dead or in diapers........then maybe we can start getting things done.

mainejeff wrote:Younger adults know that they are f'd until 75% of baby boomers are dead or in diapers........then maybe we can start getting things done.

Boomer envy noted.

Isn't it funny that they're about to take more money away from the citizens that generally have the least amount of it? I mean, they can raise it 30%, but I'm not really sure how I'm gonna pay it. Monopoly money?

We've known this since high school though. At least I know my history/government teachers talked about it.

You're welcome old people!

∞∞∞ wrote:Isn't it funny that they're about to take more money away from the citizens that generally have the least amount of it? I mean, they can raise it 30%, but I'm not really sure how I'm gonna pay it. Monopoly money?

We've known this since high school though. At least I know my history/government teachers talked about it.

You're welcome old people!

Hey...you "young" people wanted Change We Can Believe In...and wouldn't listen...

You got what you wanted...now you're going to complain????

No, no, no. Once we get these new cooperatives started in a few years we will all see our premiums go down because these young people will now be buying insurance.

houndawg wrote:Single payer - the only solution that puts your health ahead of the quarterly P&L statement.

Col Hogan wrote:

∞∞∞ wrote:Isn't it funny that they're about to take more money away from the citizens that generally have the least amount of it? I mean, they can raise it 30%, but I'm not really sure how I'm gonna pay it. Monopoly money?

We've known this since high school though. At least I know my history/government teachers talked about it.

You're welcome old people!

Hey...you "young" people wanted Change We Can Believe In...and wouldn't listen...

You got what you wanted...now you're going to complain????

Yep its great to see them eat the shit sandwich.

I wont let them complain, just tell them to shut the fu*k up and eat it.

I'm positive not every young person voted democrat. This is a democracy though. It might suck, but I got no hard feelings for my friends who voted for Obama. If that's who they thought was the better candidate, so be it...I have to live with their decisions, and if McCain won, they would've lived with mine.

That said, this is exactly why smaller government is needed. There's a reason most people live where they do...to live under a local government they see fit, not a government that the majority of the country, even in far away neighborhoods, see fit.

∞∞∞ wrote:I'm positive not every young person voted democrat. This is a democracy though. It might suck, but I got no hard feelings for my friends who voted for Obama. If that's who they thought was the better candidate, so be it...I have to live with their decisions, and if McCain won, they would've lived with mine.

That said, this is exactly why smaller government is needed. There's a reason most people live where they do...to live under a local government they see fit, not a government that the majority of the country, even in far away neighborhoods, see fit.

I will blame my stupid fuckin peers of our age group trip. I would bet that half of the fucks didn't even know what Obama wanted to do in office, they just voted that way cause it was the thing to do. I know this because I when I was asked by several of them why I voted McCain instead and told them what the Obamanation wanted to get done, they looked at me with shocked faces going "I don't believe in that" or "Thats not what I wanted". We get what we deserve now. Stupid fuckers.

Thumper 76 wrote:

∞∞∞ wrote:I'm positive not every young person voted democrat. This is a democracy though. It might suck, but I got no hard feelings for my friends who voted for Obama. If that's who they thought was the better candidate, so be it...I have to live with their decisions, and if McCain won, they would've lived with mine.

That said, this is exactly why smaller government is needed. There's a reason most people live where they do...to live under a local government they see fit, not a government that the majority of the country, even in far away neighborhoods, see fit.

I will blame my stupid fuckin peers of our age group trip. I would bet that half of the fucks didn't even know what Obama wanted to do in office, they just voted that way cause it was the thing to do. I know this because I when I was asked by several of them why I voted McCain instead and told them what the Obamanation wanted to get done, they looked at me with shocked faces going "I don't believe in that" or "Thats not what I wanted". We get what we deserve now. Stupid fuckers.

I don't mean to throw a curve ball here, but how is this different than what we had before? It's not like insurance companies haven't been jacking up premium rates just because. If you really wanted a free market in health care, ban insurance companies.

Benne wrote:I don't mean to throw a curve ball here, but how is this different than what we had before? It's not like insurance companies haven't been jacking up premium rates just because. If you really wanted a free market in health care, ban insurance companies.

Perhaps you missed the part where you'll be REQUIRED to buy it?

I know, I know....just a MINOR change.

AZGrizFan wrote:

Benne wrote:I don't mean to throw a curve ball here, but how is this different than what we had before? It's not like insurance companies haven't been jacking up premium rates just because. If you really wanted a free market in health care, ban insurance companies.

Perhaps you missed the part where you'll be REQUIRED to buy it?

I know, I know....just a MINOR change.

whewww!

This kind of reminds me of how my wife & I have to pay to educate all your little fokkers while we get no childcare tax credit....

AZGrizFan wrote:

Benne wrote:I don't mean to throw a curve ball here, but how is this different than what we had before? It's not like insurance companies haven't been jacking up premium rates just because. If you really wanted a free market in health care, ban insurance companies.

Perhaps you missed the part where you'll be REQUIRED to buy it?

I know, I know....just a MINOR change.

Oh, so now they have an excuse to raise it 30% as opposed to before, where they just raised it 30%. All they have now is an excuse.

Thumper 76 wrote:

∞∞∞ wrote:I'm positive not every young person voted democrat. This is a democracy though. It might suck, but I got no hard feelings for my friends who voted for Obama. If that's who they thought was the better candidate, so be it...I have to live with their decisions, and if McCain won, they would've lived with mine.

That said, this is exactly why smaller government is needed. There's a reason most people live where they do...to live under a local government they see fit, not a government that the majority of the country, even in far away neighborhoods, see fit.

I will blame my stupid fuckin peers of our age group trip. I would bet that half of the fucks didn't even know what Obama wanted to do in office, they just voted that way cause it was the thing to do. I know this because I when I was asked by several of them why I voted McCain instead and told them what the Obamanation wanted to get done, they looked at me with shocked faces going "I don't believe in that" or "Thats not what I wanted". We get what we deserve now. Stupid fuckers.

Yep. I can't even begin to count how many people at UNI I had debates with that couldn't name a real reason they were voting for Obama other than "McCain is W part 2", "He will change things", "It's about time we have a black man as a president".


Had they had a legit reason to vote for him as their reasoning then fine, but there wasn't one coming from the Obamanation UNI chapter.

Benne wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Perhaps you missed the part where you'll be REQUIRED to buy it?

I know, I know....just a MINOR change.

Oh, so now they have an excuse to raise it 30% as opposed to before, where they just raised it 30%. All they have now is an excuse.

Which part of "you didn't HAVE to buy it before" don't you understand?

AZGrizFan wrote:

Benne wrote:
Oh, so now they have an excuse to raise it 30% as opposed to before, where they just raised it 30%. All they have now is an excuse.

Which part of "you didn't HAVE to buy it before" don't you understand?

I guess I don't follow your logic that Health Care Reform is the cause of them raising premiums. If you want to be pissed that you have to buy it, I understand that, but the cost was going up anyway. My only question is are the costs going up 30% by 2014 or right now. If it's by 2014, it would appear they've somewhat staunched the bleeding. Either way, health care is probably still broken and the insurance companies are still going to get theirs.

Benne wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Which part of "you didn't HAVE to buy it before" don't you understand?

I guess I don't follow your logic that Health Care Reform is the cause of them raising premiums. If you want to be pissed that you have to buy it, I understand that, but the cost was going up anyway. My only question is are the costs going up 30% by 2014 or right now. If it's by 2014, it would appear they've somewhat staunched the bleeding. Either way, health care is probably still broken and the insurance companies are still going to get theirs.

The costs are going up 30% AND younger adults are being FORCED to buy something they were opting out of in droves previously. Oh, and it's by 2014...you know....to give this administration a chance at reelection prior to the general public realizing they've been boned up the ass with no vaseline and not even the courtesy of a reacharound.

And it's nice to know that an Obama supporter can say with a straight face that a $1 trillion bill leaves health care "still broken".

Fuck'em. They get on my lawn and make the streets crowded.

dbackjon wrote:Fuck'em. They get on my lawn and make the streets crowded.

You are now officially OLD.

Benne wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Which part of "you didn't HAVE to buy it before" don't you understand?

I guess I don't follow your logic that Health Care Reform is the cause of them raising premiums. If you want to be pissed that you have to buy it, I understand that, but the cost was going up anyway. My only question is are the costs going up 30% by 2014 or right now. If it's by 2014, it would appear they've somewhat staunched the bleeding. Either way, health care is probably still broken and the insurance companies are still going to get theirs.

This isn't rocket science, if you put a burden on the system by insuring people the insurance companies don't want to insure in the end somebody must pay and it will be the young people with cheap coverage. In the past the insurance companies were just enticing them to buy insurance, they were low risk thus low premiums. Now since young people HAVE TO BUY THEIR PRODUCT, the insurance companies can just charge them whatever rate is needed to keep everything afloat.
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This isn't any kind of excuse to raise rates, it is the reality of Obama care.

FargoBison wrote:

Benne wrote:
I guess I don't follow your logic that Health Care Reform is the cause of them raising premiums. If you want to be pissed that you have to buy it, I understand that, but the cost was going up anyway. My only question is are the costs going up 30% by 2014 or right now. If it's by 2014, it would appear they've somewhat staunched the bleeding. Either way, health care is probably still broken and the insurance companies are still going to get theirs.

This isn't rocket science, if you put a burden on the system by insuring people the insurance companies don't want to insure in the end somebody must pay and it will be the young people with cheap coverage. In the past the insurance companies were just enticing them to buy insurance, they were low risk thus low premiums. Now since young people HAVE TO BUY THEIR PRODUCT, the insurance companies can just charge them whatever rate is needed to keep everything afloat.
.
This isn't any kind of excuse to raise rates, it is the reality of Obama care.

And then, when you put an artificial cap on what people over 50 must pay, they HAVE to raise the LOWER tiers to be able to charge more for the UPPER tiers. That ain't rocket science either. But apparently it is to the Obamaites.

AZGrizFan wrote:

FargoBison wrote:
This isn't rocket science, if you put a burden on the system by insuring people the insurance companies don't want to insure in the end somebody must pay and it will be the young people with cheap coverage. In the past the insurance companies were just enticing them to buy insurance, they were low risk thus low premiums. Now since young people HAVE TO BUY THEIR PRODUCT, the insurance companies can just charge them whatever rate is needed to keep everything afloat.
.
This isn't any kind of excuse to raise rates, it is the reality of Obama care.

And then, when you put an artificial cap on what people over 50 must pay, they HAVE to raise the LOWER tiers to be able to charge more for the UPPER tiers. That ain't rocket science either. But apparently it is to the Obamaites.

Anything becomes rocket science to these people when the true outcome is that Obama was wrong. Which is why Benne just brought up the talking point about how the big bad insurance companies are doing this, I hope his heart isn't broken when he finds out that Obama had to sell his soul to health insurance and big Pharma lobbyists to get this monstrosity passed.