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It would be nation's first such offshore project

BOSTON - U.S. Interior Secretary Ken Salazar has approved what would be the nation's first offshore wind farm, off Cape Cod, a government official briefed on the decision confirmed Wednesday.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity to The Associated Press ahead of Salazar's official announcement scheduled for noon Wednesday in Boston.

Salazar's decision on the controversial Cape Wind project clears the way for a 130-turbine wind farm in Nantucket Sound.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36825232/ns ... vironment/

Good

Great news...this project could have been up and running by now if not for the Kennedy's complaining that it will ruin the vista from their family compound on the island...

Woot! Now to put them of the Outer Banks and Virginia Coast Line.

JMU DJ wrote:Woot! Now to put them of the Outer Banks and Virginia Coast Line.

ECB

bandl wrote:

JMU DJ wrote:Woot! Now to put them of the Outer Banks and Virginia Coast Line.

ECB

We only learn about wind power from Iowa, Tabitha. I'm just trying to get the East Coast caught up here.

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But two Wampanoag Indian tribes claimed the project would ruin a sacred ritual that requires an unblocked view of the sunrise over the sound, and would be built on long-submerged tribal burial grounds.

Seriously? They know exactly where their tribal burial grounds are under the Atlantic Ocean?



Just for kicks I looked up this tribe - there are about 2000 of them. We should definitely hold up clean energy for a group of this magnitude.
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ASUG8 wrote:

But two Wampanoag Indian tribes claimed the project would ruin a sacred ritual that requires an unblocked view of the sunrise over the sound, and would be built on long-submerged tribal burial grounds.

Seriously? They know exactly where their tribal burial grounds are under the Atlantic Ocean?



Just for kicks I looked up this tribe - there are about 2000 of them. We should definitely hold up clean energy for a group of this magnitude.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wampanoag" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Isn't that where 'Family Guy' is filmed?

bandl wrote:

ASUG8 wrote:
Seriously? They know exactly where their tribal burial grounds are under the Atlantic Ocean?



Just for kicks I looked up this tribe - there are about 2000 of them. We should definitely hold up clean energy for a group of this magnitude.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wampanoag" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Isn't that where 'Family Guy' is filmed?

It's a cartoon, dummy. Oh wait....you were trying to make a funny. Cute.

Well, on one hand it's good to see that the NIMBY effect can be superceded. On the other hand, wind power has about zero chance of providing long term energy independence for us, so it's not like we're getting much out of this.

GannonFan wrote:Well, on one hand it's good to see that the NIMBY effect can be superceded. On the other hand, wind power has about zero chance of providing long term energy independence for us, so it's not like we're getting much out of this.

Yeah. They're going to build a wind farm off of Delaware and they've already said our electric bills will go... up.

Super.

93henfan wrote:

GannonFan wrote:Well, on one hand it's good to see that the NIMBY effect can be superceded. On the other hand, wind power has about zero chance of providing long term energy independence for us, so it's not like we're getting much out of this.

Yeah. They're going to build a wind farm off of Delaware and they've already said our electric bills will go... up.

Super.

Wind power is almost as dumb as ethanol was/is. Spending all this money and effort for so little in return, assuming we even get anything in return, while there are better alternatives out there (i.e. nuclear). There just aren't enough places on Earth to have the amount of wind farms we would need to have a real impact on our energy needs, and that's assuming that we get around this little detail of how to store the energy and how to transport it.

GannonFan wrote:

93henfan wrote:
Yeah. They're going to build a wind farm off of Delaware and they've already said our electric bills will go... up.

Super.

Wind power is almost as dumb as ethanol was/is. Spending all this money and effort for so little in return, assuming we even get anything in return, while there are better alternatives out there (i.e. nuclear). There just aren't enough places on Earth to have the amount of wind farms we would need to have a real impact on our energy needs, and that's assuming that we get around this little detail of how to store the energy and how to transport it.

Exactly.

Wind has a place for small scale booster project, but the amount of energy generated vs environmental impact is negative.

dbackjon wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
Wind power is almost as dumb as ethanol was/is. Spending all this money and effort for so little in return, assuming we even get anything in return, while there are better alternatives out there (i.e. nuclear). There just aren't enough places on Earth to have the amount of wind farms we would need to have a real impact on our energy needs, and that's assuming that we get around this little detail of how to store the energy and how to transport it.

Exactly.

Wind has a place for small scale booster project, but the amount of energy generated vs environmental impact is negative.

Agree. Wind is viable supplement for a single house or a neighborhood....we are looking into getting one in next couple of years & sell power back to the power company since we are on a windy ridge.....& now that I found out someone is building a house to block my sunrise views next month.. ..might as well fok up their view with some wind power....

JMU DJ wrote:Woot! Now to put them of the Outer Banks and Virginia Coast Line.

With all the wind that blows through Florida, I bet there are some choice spots along the coast.

I'm sure this will only add to the Iowa jokes but...

There are wind turbine fields popping up all over Iowa. The route I take home is almost nothing but those at this point. 4 years ago there was maybe 10 or so I could see from the road. Now there are more than I can count

clenz wrote:4 years ago there was maybe 10 or so I could see from the road. Now there are more than I can count

I'm fairly surprised you could count to 10. It must be a HUGE number now. Like... 32!!

93henfan wrote:

GannonFan wrote:Well, on one hand it's good to see that the NIMBY effect can be superceded. On the other hand, wind power has about zero chance of providing long term energy independence for us, so it's not like we're getting much out of this.

Yeah. They're going to build a wind farm off of Delaware and they've already said our electric bills will go... up.

Super.

The Joseph R. Biden, Jr. Wind farm!

Skjellyfetti wrote:

clenz wrote:4 years ago there was maybe 10 or so I could see from the road. Now there are more than I can count

I'm fairly surprised you could count to 10. It must be a HUGE number now. Like... 32!!

clenz wrote:I'm sure this will only add to the Iowa jokes but...

There are wind turbine fields popping up all over Iowa. The route I take home is almost nothing but those at this point. 4 years ago there was maybe 10 or so I could see from the road. Now there are more than I can count

Apparently you missed the reference I made earlier

JMU DJ wrote:

clenz wrote:I'm sure this will only add to the Iowa jokes but...

There are wind turbine fields popping up all over Iowa. The route I take home is almost nothing but those at this point. 4 years ago there was maybe 10 or so I could see from the road. Now there are more than I can count

Apparently you missed the reference I made earlier

Nope I caught it.

Appaholic wrote:

dbackjon wrote:
Exactly.

Wind has a place for small scale booster project, but the amount of energy generated vs environmental impact is negative.

Agree. Wind is viable supplement for a single house or a neighborhood....we are looking into getting one in next couple of years & sell power back to the power company since we are on a windy ridge.....& now that I found out someone is building a house to block my sunrise views next month.. ..might as well fok up their view with some wind power....

What are your electric rates? Unless you are doing it for environmental reasons you could be in for a long payback.

Don't trust most of the liars selling the small wind systems. I've seen a couple of doozies lately including one guy that claimed a small windmill would have a 70% annual production factor. For comparison the best large scale one we have at work has a 29% annual production factor.

Ivytalk wrote:

93henfan wrote:
Yeah. They're going to build a wind farm off of Delaware and they've already said our electric bills will go... up.

Super.

The Joseph R. Biden, Jr. Wind farm!

It will only be called that during the summer months when the turbines are powered with hot air.