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Visa violators represent nearly half of the 11 million illegal immigrants in the country. But they have been largely ignored amid a national clamor to secure the border, fueled in part by Arizona's tough new immigration law, the killing of a southern Arizona rancher and worries that cartel violence in Mexico could spill into this country, analysts and experts say.

The Pew Hispanic Center estimates that 40 to 50 percent of the nation's 11 million illegal immigrants entered the country legally. As of May 2006, the most current data available, 4 million to 5.5 million people had entered the U.S. legally and then remained after their visas had expired. An additional 250,000 to 500,000 people entered legally with temporary border-crossing cards and then stayed.

In 2003, Immigration and Customs Enforcement created a special unit to track down visa violators. Funding grew from $6.7 million the first year to $68.3 million in fiscal year 2009, according to testimony in March by Assistant Homeland Security Secretary for ICE John Morton to the House Homeland Security Committee. Investigators analyze records of hundreds of thousands of potential violators based on data from various government databases that keep track of students, tourists and other people who enter the U.S. On average, the 272 investigators assigned to the unit arrest 1,400 visa violators a year, Morton said. ICE officials said the number of overstayers arrested each year has steadily risen, though they could not provide details.

This reminds me of our "War on Poverty" and "War on Drugs" campaigns. Throw billions and billions and BILLIONS of dollars at something over a decades-long period and not even make a fucking DENT in the problem. It is crystal clear the the US Government is the closest thing to incomptency that could ever be developed. Honestly, they couldn't be more inefficient if they TRIED. To catch 1400 (out of 5.5 MILLION, or .025%!!) of current illegals in the country, we spent $68.3 MILLION dollars. That's $48,785 PER illegal. That's just over FIVE illegals a year for each of the 272 investigators assigned to the unit. At that rate we'd need to employ 1,000,000 agents and spend $249,999,999,999.00.

War on Poverty - $10 trillion dollars and counting - Epic Fail
War on Drugs - $2 trillion dollars and counting - Epic Fail
War on Illegal Immigration $billions and billions and counting - Epic Fail
War on Terrorism - $billions and billions and counting - Epic Fail

It's been a banner 50+ years for this country. At this point I'd say we (as a country) peaked in 1945 and have been on a slippery slope to oblivion since.

We need a revolution.

I'm not as pessimistic as you....close, but not there yet...

But if it comes down to that...do you have a place for a few more folks...

Col Hogan wrote:I'm not as pessimistic as you....close, but not there yet...

But if it comes down to that...do you have a place for a few more folks...

Bring all yer guns and ammo.

AZGrizFan wrote:

Col Hogan wrote:I'm not as pessimistic as you....close, but not there yet...

But if it comes down to that...do you have a place for a few more folks...

Bring all yer guns and ammo.

AZ is pretty close to the last place I would go....

grizzaholic wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Bring all yer guns and ammo.

AZ is pretty close to the last place I would go....

Over the DC area....I think not...

Guns - check

Ammo - Check

Got some other things that might help the cause too...

Col Hogan wrote:

grizzaholic wrote:
AZ is pretty close to the last place I would go....

Over the DC area....I think not...

Guns - check

Ammo - Check

Got some other things that might help the cause too...

For defensive/food and water/glut of people wanting help/weather/....the Rockies and near the Canada boarder would be a place to be.....

AZGrizFan wrote:We need a revolution.

And you're just the man to lead it!

Viva Senor Tom!

Ivytalk wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:We need a revolution.

And you're just the man to lead it!

Viva Senor Tom!

I accept.

Meeting tonight at 10:00. Bring yer guns and ammo.

Give them amnesty. Let them have drivers licenses. Let them and their kids get an education so long as they do it in english. Let them have all of the privileges and rights of ordinary US citizens with only one string attached: if you are here illegally and get amnesty you don't vote in a US election for the rest of your life. This is to prevent politicians from pandering to them.

If the feds drag their feet and look the other way so much when it comes to illegal aliens who commit crimes, just imagine what a massive cluster-f$%^ of a fiscal black hole a mass deportation program would be. Forget about sending illegal aliens home. Might as well use latinos to mitigate our impending UNDERpopulation crisis which could very well crush social security, bury the US into a bigger debt hole, and cause a whole generation of young Americans to have to work until the day they die.

AZGrizFan wrote:
War on Poverty - $10 trillion dollars and counting - Epic Fail
War on Drugs - $2 trillion dollars and counting - Epic Fail
War on Illegal Immigration $billions and billions and counting - Epic Fail
War on Terrorism - $billions and billions and counting - Epic Fail

Pretty frustrating isn't it... imagine if we never spent the money on any of that - we'd have a surplus like crazy and there would be no change in Poverty - Drugs - Immigration or terrorism



Wait till we get health care reform that doesn't address any of the corruption issues with Health Care...

Oh the JOY..!!!

The War on Terror has led to two recent near misses, not due to the money being spent by the government, but due to the incompentence of the attempted terrorist.

"The Revolution Starts Now"

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Col Hogan wrote:

grizzaholic wrote:
AZ is pretty close to the last place I would go....

Over the DC area....I think not...

Guns - check

Ammo - Check

Got some other things that might help the cause too...

Like your Depends, colostomy bag and Metamucil.

Chizzang wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
War on Poverty - $10 trillion dollars and counting - Epic Fail
War on Drugs - $2 trillion dollars and counting - Epic Fail
War on Illegal Immigration $billions and billions and counting - Epic Fail
War on Terrorism - $billions and billions and counting - Epic Fail

Pretty frustrating isn't it... imagine if we never spent the money on any of that - we'd have a surplus like crazy and there would be no change in Poverty - Drugs - Immigration or terrorism



Wait till we get health care reform that doesn't address any of the corruption issues with Health Care...

Oh the JOY..!!!

Exactly my point. Healthcare reform will be the latest Epic Fail.

Gil Dobie wrote:The War on Terror has led to two recent near misses, not due to the money being spent by the government, but due to the incompentence of the attempted terrorist.

But you should sleep better at night because a remote, laser guided bomb strunk a house in Northern Pakistan yesterday, killing 11 suspected terrorists.

It's like pissing in the wind.

D1B wrote:

Col Hogan wrote:
Over the DC area....I think not...

Guns - check

Ammo - Check

Got some other things that might help the cause too...

Like your Depends, colostomy bag and Metamucil.

...sayeth the one who will be hidden under a bush, curled en-fetal, eating beetles...

...when your govt. subsidized Haldol is no longer available.


...or...


Better living...

...from pulling your head out of your ass.

kalm wrote:"The Revolution Starts Now"

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Ah, it's good to see steve back on the heroine. Fat clean Steve just isn't as good.

Col Hogan wrote:

grizzaholic wrote:
AZ is pretty close to the last place I would go....

Over the DC area....I think not...

Guns - check

Ammo - Check

Got some other things that might help the cause too...

Come to my compound in Kansas, Colonel. It's got water, is somewhat isolated yet has access to good roads, clear fields of fire for 1,000+ yards in every direction and an HQ building with 18" exterior stone walls and crow's nest visibility for miles in every direction.

native wrote:

Col Hogan wrote:
Over the DC area....I think not...

Guns - check

Ammo - Check

Got some other things that might help the cause too...

Come to my compound in Kansas, Colonel. It's got water, is somewhat isolated yet has access to good roads, clear fields of fire for 1,000+ yards in every direction and an HQ building with 18" exterior stone walls and crow's nest visibility for miles in every direction.

A sitting duck. The UN troops will make short work of you.

houndawg wrote:

native wrote:
Come to my compound in Kansas, Colonel. It's got water, is somewhat isolated yet has access to good roads, clear fields of fire for 1,000+ yards in every direction and an HQ building with 18" exterior stone walls and crow's nest visibility for miles in every direction.

A sitting duck. The UN troops will make short work of you.

LOL! That HAD to be sarcasm.

native wrote: Come to my compound in Kansas, Colonel. It's got water, is somewhat isolated yet has access to good roads, clear fields of fire for 1,000+ yards in every direction and an HQ building with 18" exterior stone walls and crow's nest visibility for miles in every direction.

Wow..
It must be really stressful to live in total fear like that..?
Sneaking about like a rat... living in the dark
A world where your brothers are you enemies and everybody is a suspect

Who cares if it all goes to hell - it'll be another amazing thing to experience - in a lifetime of amazing experiences

I'm going on a bike ride along the river with a simple goddess
Then taking a shower with her... (God willing and hot water)
Then we're going to grill some Asparagus and peaches 1/2 a pineapple and a little salmon

and watch the sun set...

and if the terrorists come to get us - or the world economic indicators collapse or Russians parachute in on Dinosaurs - whatever it is you're so afraid of... we'll be among the first to die - gladly

CID1990 wrote:

houndawg wrote:
A sitting duck. The UN troops will make short work of you.

LOL! That HAD to be sarcasm.

UN troops couldn't find Kansas if you dropped them in Topeka.

Chizzang wrote:

native wrote: Come to my compound in Kansas, Colonel. It's got water, is somewhat isolated yet has access to good roads, clear fields of fire for 1,000+ yards in every direction and an HQ building with 18" exterior stone walls and crow's nest visibility for miles in every direction.

Wow..
It must be really stressful to live in total fear like that..?
Sneaking about like a rat... living in the dark
A world where your brothers are you enemies and everybody is a suspect

Who cares if it all goes to hell - it'll be another amazing thing to experience - in a lifetime of amazing experiences

I'm going on a bike ride along the river with a simple goddess
Then taking a shower with her... (God willing and hot water)
Then we're going to grill some Asparagus and peaches 1/2 a pineapple and a little salmon

and watch the sun set...

and if the terrorists come to get us - or the world economic indicators collapse or Russians parachute in on Dinosaurs - whatever it is you're so afraid of... we'll be among the first to die - gladly

I'm with you on almost all of it Cleets. The Russian Dinosaurs scares the shit out of me though.

danefan wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
Wow..
It must be really stressful to live in total fear like that..?
Sneaking about like a rat... living in the dark
A world where your brothers are you enemies and everybody is a suspect

Who cares if it all goes to hell - it'll be another amazing thing to experience - in a lifetime of amazing experiences

I'm going on a bike ride along the river with a simple goddess
Then taking a shower with her... (God willing and hot water)
Then we're going to grill some Asparagus and peaches 1/2 a pineapple and a little salmon

and watch the sun set...

and if the terrorists come to get us - or the world economic indicators collapse or Russians parachute in on Dinosaurs - whatever it is you're so afraid of... we'll be among the first to die - gladly

I'm with you on almost all of it Cleets. The Russian Dinosaurs scares the shit out of me though.

Gotta laugh at anyone who equates being prepared to "sneaking around like a rat and living in the dark". Clitorus will be one of the first at the gate, screaming to be let in because he pissed away every day staring at the sunset.

Chizzang wrote:

native wrote: Come to my compound in Kansas, Colonel. It's got water, is somewhat isolated yet has access to good roads, clear fields of fire for 1,000+ yards in every direction and an HQ building with 18" exterior stone walls and crow's nest visibility for miles in every direction.

Then taking a shower with her... (God willing and hot water)
Then we're going to grill some Asparagus and peaches 1/2 a pineapple and a little salmon

Asparagus will make your pee smell bad and your jizz taste even worse. Probably not the thing to eat on a date with a goddess.