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makes for some pretty pictures, don't it?

AZGrizFan wrote:makes for some pretty pictures, don't it?

Imagine all the great pictures you going to get from the spy tower at your compound...

Thanks Clenz, Tbag, Z, Alphajackass, Naive and any fuck that went to the Citadel.

AZGrizFan wrote:makes for some pretty pictures, don't it?

Pictures of the environment being decimated is like pornography for free market capitalists..!!!
You couldn't dream up hotter more exciting sh!t that this...

Chizzang wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:makes for some pretty pictures, don't it?

Pictures of the environment being decimated is like pornography for free market capitalists..!!!
You couldn't dream up hotter more exciting sh!t that this...

I bet those free market capitalist near the gulf are thrilled.

D1B wrote:

Chizzang wrote:

Pictures of the environment being decimated is like pornography for free market capitalists..!!!
You couldn't dream up hotter more exciting sh!t that this...

I bet those free market capitalist near the gulf are thrilled.

Well you see - all the Republican fishermen down there are now blaming Obama instead of actually understanding that some regulations and some quality control measures actually are "good" for everybody, including the dip-sh!ts who run the oil companies... who still don't realize that

Chizzang wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:makes for some pretty pictures, don't it?

Pictures of the environment being decimated is like pornography for free market capitalists..!!!
You couldn't dream up hotter more exciting sh!t that this...

You seem to be the one that's excited about this, oddly enough.

Question, because I haven't been following this all that closely. What methods are they using to clean up the oil out in the water to help prevent it from getting to shore?

Are they just roping it off and dragging it to skimmers? Are they burning it? What are they doing?

Skjellyfetti wrote:

That looks like the water in Imperial Beach when a back current comes up from Tijuana, except that it's not oil. They have a little bit of a sewage problem south of the border.

clenz wrote:Are they just roping it off and dragging it to skimmers? Are they burning it? What are they doing?

All of that, and they're using dispersant chemicals.

93henfan wrote:

clenz wrote:Are they just roping it off and dragging it to skimmers? Are they burning it? What are they doing?

All of that, and they're using dispersant chemicals.

I assumed they were, I needed to work my question better.

To what extent are they doing that? Are they waiting for the leak to be stopped before they hit it hard?

The reason I ask is I was wondering if there were politics involved that was slowing the movement of the clean up, or if both sides are able to put their petty shit aside and take care of it and worry about the politics of it later.

clenz wrote:Question, because I haven't been following this all that closely. What methods are they using to clean up the oil out in the water to help prevent it from getting to shore?

Are they just roping it off and dragging it to skimmers? Are they burning it? What are they doing?

Clenz, weren't you the rocket scientist who said this was no big deal when it first happened?

clenz wrote:

93henfan wrote:
All of that, and they're using dispersant chemicals.

I assumed they were, I needed to work my question better.

To what extent are they doing that? Are they waiting for the leak to be stopped before they hit it hard?

The reason I ask is I was wondering if there were politics involved that was slowing the movement of the clean up, or if both sides are able to put their petty shit aside and take care of it and worry about the politics of it later.

They are on top of it. We're lucky Obama is president and not some conk dipshit like W, McShithead or Sarah Palin.

D1B wrote:

clenz wrote:Question, because I haven't been following this all that closely. What methods are they using to clean up the oil out in the water to help prevent it from getting to shore?

Are they just roping it off and dragging it to skimmers? Are they burning it? What are they doing?

Clenz, weren't you the rocket scientist who said this was no big deal when it first happened?

No. I said the long term effects of a disaster like this were debatable as there isn't enough enough research on how bad or not bad the effects are as Exxon Valdez is still very recent in terms of long term research on the effects.


Part of the problem with the Exxon Valdez was that there was so much political bitching back and forth before they started to really attack the spill that it was "too late" to prevent a lot of the short term damage.

I was hoping that was the case this time, but as I said I haven't been following the situation all that closely.

clenz wrote:

D1B wrote:
Clenz, weren't you the rocket scientist who said this was no big deal when it first happened?

No. I said the long term effects of a disaster like this were debatable as there isn't enough enough research on how bad or not bad the effects are as Exxon Valdez is still very recent in terms of long term research on the effects.


Part of the problem with the Exxon Valdez was that there was so much political bitching back and forth before they started to really attack the spill that it was "too late" to prevent a lot of the short term damage.

I was hoping that was the case this time, but as I said I haven't been following the situation all that closely.

The problem with Exxon was the non-existence of massive spill clean up knowledge, equipment and procedures. I guess one good thing to come out of Exxon is were now much better at cleaning these things up.

D1B wrote:

clenz wrote: No. I said the long term effects of a disaster like this were debatable as there isn't enough enough research on how bad or not bad the effects are as Exxon Valdez is still very recent in terms of long term research on the effects.


Part of the problem with the Exxon Valdez was that there was so much political bitching back and forth before they started to really attack the spill that it was "too late" to prevent a lot of the short term damage.

I was hoping that was the case this time, but as I said I haven't been following the situation all that closely.

The problem with Exxon was the non-existence of massive spill clean up knowledge, equipment and procedures. I guess one good thing to come out of Exxon is were now much better at cleaning these things up.

The single biggest problem with the Exxon Valdez situation was that Exxon controlled every politician in the state of Alaska... Lord God Exxon told them to shut the fuck up or play it down ASAP..!!! and then proceeded to manipulate the situation for two decades - right up to this very day...

D1B wrote:

clenz wrote: No. I said the long term effects of a disaster like this were debatable as there isn't enough enough research on how bad or not bad the effects are as Exxon Valdez is still very recent in terms of long term research on the effects.


Part of the problem with the Exxon Valdez was that there was so much political bitching back and forth before they started to really attack the spill that it was "too late" to prevent a lot of the short term damage.

I was hoping that was the case this time, but as I said I haven't been following the situation all that closely.

The problem with Exxon was the non-existence of massive spill clean up knowledge, equipment and procedures. I guess one good thing to come out of Exxon is were now much better at cleaning these things up.

I don't disagree with any of what you said right there.


However, just because we know/have the capabilities to do it quickly doesn't mean it happens. We all know that the stakeholders on both side are too fucking stubborn to admit they were wrong. Rather than admit they were wrong, or that something else that could have been done, or anything that may contradict their side they will fight and claw and do everything possible to make sure the other side can't do what they want.


The other issue here, even though there has been great scientific advances and research the last 20 years, is that this climate is completely different than the other climates/ecosystems/tidal movements/etc... than what has typically been dealt with.

clenz wrote: No. I said the long term effects of a disaster like this were debatable as there isn't enough enough research on how bad or not bad the effects are as Exxon Valdez is still very recent in terms of long term research on the effects.

Sounds a bit more guarded than what you originally posted.......

clenz wrote:

Oil is a natural compound and isn't as bad for ocean life as you, and the rest of the econerds, want us to believe.

Nothing to see here! Oil isn't as bad for ocean life as we believe! It's a natural compound!

Skjellyfetti wrote:

clenz wrote: No. I said the long term effects of a disaster like this were debatable as there isn't enough enough research on how bad or not bad the effects are as Exxon Valdez is still very recent in terms of long term research on the effects.

Sounds a bit more guarded than what you originally posted.......

clenz wrote:

Oil is a natural compound and isn't as bad for ocean life as you, and the rest of the econerds, want us to believe.

Nothing to see here! Oil isn't as bad for ocean life as we believe! It's a natural compound!

I've also stated i didn't word my statements very well at that point.

I've explained myself repeatedly since then, however, you refuse to accept that.

It's funny to see that even though we all are using this product only a few are to blame.

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:It's funny to see that even though we all are using this product only a few are to blame.

People use hamburger too...
And if a meat processing company shipped 650 thousand tons of mad cow infested beef and you died...

we're all to blame because we eat beef

Underwater Video of the Main Gulf Oil Leak
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D1B wrote:

clenz wrote: I assumed they were, I needed to work my question better.

To what extent are they doing that? Are they waiting for the leak to be stopped before they hit it hard?

The reason I ask is I was wondering if there were politics involved that was slowing the movement of the clean up, or if both sides are able to put their petty shit aside and take care of it and worry about the politics of it later.

They are on top of it. We're lucky Obama is president and not some conk dipshit like W, McShithead or Sarah Palin.

What exactly is Obama on top of? I have just seen BP flounder. Haven't seen our government do much in the way of trying to stop this problem.

Chizzang wrote:

D1B wrote:

I bet those free market capitalist near the gulf are thrilled.

Well you see - all the Republican fishermen down there are now blaming Obama instead of actually understanding that some regulations and some quality control measures actually are "good" for everybody, including the dip-sh!ts who run the oil companies... who still don't realize that

How dare you question the magic of the free market. If there were less regulations, the good oil companies would be rewarded for their vigilance and the bad oil companies wouldn't even have the chance to spill. T-man told me so.