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Jindal says the drilling moratorium could cost 20k jobs in La alone..
“I shared my concerns about the President’s six-month suspension of activity at 33 permitted deepwater drilling rigs, including 22 deepwater drilling rigs off Louisiana’s coast. Our Department of Economic Development estimates that the active drilling suspension alone will result in a loss of 3,000 to 6,000 Louisiana jobs in the next two to three weeks and potentially over 10,000 Louisiana jobs within a few months. We risk losing more than 20,000 existing and potential new Louisiana jobs over 12 to 18 months, if this federal panel takes longer than six months to do their reviews and write their reports.
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Ain't that a bitch?

BDKJMU wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/05/us/05gulfecon.html

Jindal says the drilling moratorium could cost 20k jobs in La alone..
“I shared my concerns about the President’s six-month suspension of activity at 33 permitted deepwater drilling rigs, including 22 deepwater drilling rigs off Louisiana’s coast. Our Department of Economic Development estimates that the active drilling suspension alone will result in a loss of 3,000 to 6,000 Louisiana jobs in the next two to three weeks and potentially over 10,000 Louisiana jobs within a few months. We risk losing more than 20,000 existing and potential new Louisiana jobs over 12 to 18 months, if this federal panel takes longer than six months to do their reviews and write their reports.
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BP should be paying every single one of them their normal salary to help clean up their mess.

Thank you Obama your administration just loses and loses jobs almost at the rate of that oil leak.

It would be unfair to expect the leak to keep up with Obamas numbers.

Fuck Piyush. No drilling until they figure out how to drill without raping the gulf.

dbackjon wrote:**** Piyush. No drilling until they figure out how to drill without raping the gulf.

For BP yes. For the rest of the oil companies who haven't f*ucked up and have good safety records, no. Course I don't know if legally the govt could single out BP and say to them your projects are suspended but the other companies aren't.

For the gulf states on top of the devastating job losses in the fishing and tourism industries (and all of their related spinoff jobs), the 3rd leg is the energy sector which is facing huge job losses (and their related spinoffs, including the ports). The majority of these 20k jobs (oil rigs, ports, and spinoffs) are blue collar. And that 20k estimate is just La. It doesn't include Miss, Al, and TX.

BDKJMU wrote:

dbackjon wrote:**** Piyush. No drilling until they figure out how to drill without raping the gulf.

For BP yes. For the rest of the oil companies who haven't f*ucked up and have good safety records, no. Course I don't know if legally the govt could single out BP and say to them your projects are suspended but the other companies aren't.

For the gulf states on top of the devastating job losses in the fishing and tourism industries (and all of their related spinoff jobs), the 3rd leg is the energy sector which is facing huge job losses (and their related spinoffs, including the ports). The majority of these 20k jobs (oil rigs, ports, and spinoffs) are blue collar. And that 20k estimate is just La. It doesn't include Miss, Al, and TX.

The tourism and fishing losses were caused by the oil disaster. Let's make sure that we know what happened at Deepwater before we have another one.

And yes, BP's safety record is far worse than any other company's. Maybe THEY could be seized under RICO statutes.

dbackjon wrote:**** Piyush. No drilling until they figure out how to drill without raping the gulf.

Nobody has been raping the Gulf. The Gulf ecosystems will be fine. Louisiana's estuaries will still constitute a massive fisheries "nursery." It's potential may be reduced to some extent for a time...but in percentage terms it won't be by much. And it will recover. There is a certain risk associated with oil drilling and exploration. In this instance that risk has been realized for a time. But, to my knowledge, this is only the second major incident like this in around 100 years of offshore oil exploration and production. And it's the first one in United States waters. I think they already can point to a number of things that should've been done differently. There is no need to wait around for a lenghty "study" and, I'm sure, pointless Congressional hearings designed to give politicians a stage for demagoguery. What happened in this case was very unlikely before it happened and it's even less likely now because nobody is ever going to do things like ignore chunks of rubber coming up with the drilling mud again. They also probably won't do things like sink the rig by spraying too much water on it. If you wait around until it's absolutely impossible to suffer an adverse consequence you're going to wait forever because it's never going to happen.

I think I used this analogy before but I'll use it again:

There were an estimated 33,963 motor vehicle related deaths in the United States during 2009. Bad things happen when motor vehicles are used. Does that mean we're going to outlaw motor vehicles or declare a moratorium on driving them? Of course not.

Why? Because the benefits exceed the consequences of the risks. It's the same with the offshore oil industry and Louisiana. Bad things happen. Mistakes are made. But the benefits to the people of the State gained through association with the offshore exploration and drilling industry far exceed the negative consequences of the risks; and this incident does not change that.

I've heard a lot of things listening to talk radio in Louisiana. I've heard a lot of hacked off people vent. But I have yet to hear a single person say they favor a moratorium on offshore drilling in general or deepwater offshore drilling in particular. That's not a scientific poll and I'm sure it's possible some people called in to support such things when I wasn't listening. But the general tone is clear.

And if someone DID conduct a scientific poll I am absolutely confident that a substantial majority of people in this State would be found to be in opposition to slowing down the offshore drilling and production industry any more than it's already slowed down right now.

JohnStOnge wrote:The Gulf ecosystems will be fine. Louisiana's estuaries will still constitute a massive fisheries "nursery." It's potential may be reduced to some extent for a time...but in percentage terms it won't be by much. And it will recover.

How do you know? I notice you carefully didn't say how long before "it will recover". I guess you're good with multiple decades potentially? I saw in the other thread where you say everything is going to be completely back to normal by this time next year. For a person who in the past has nitpicked with people and asked if their conclusions are based on double-blind, peer-reviewed, Pepsi Challenge-certified , etc, etc., it sure seems like you're pulling that one out of your ass.

How do you know? I notice you carefully didn't say how long before "it will recover". I guess you're good with multiple decades potentially? I saw in the other thread where you say everything is going to be completely back to normal by this time next year. For a person who in the past has nitpicked with people and asked if their conclusions are based on double-blind, peer-reviewed, Pepsi Challenge-certified , etc, etc., it sure seems like you're pulling that one out of your ass.

I don't "know." It's what I think. And this is why I think it:

This is not a spill in an enclosed estuary. The source is in the open Gulf about 40 miles from the nearest shoreline (the are of the Mississippi River mouth). It is very warm. It is relatively light crude. It takes a lot of time to get to shore or into the estuaries and most of it can be expected to evaporate before it gets to those places. Another thing is that the constituents that tend to be most harmful to estuarine life also tend to be most subject to evaporation. Also, because of my job, I have a fairly good feel for what is reaching the shoreline. A lot of it is "patties" of emulsified oil. Kind of like tar balls. But it's not liquid. It's not something that is going to kill off the estuaries. Some people even call it "tar balls," thought that's not really what it is. Proportionately, there isn't much of the kind of stuff people are seeing in the media with the Pelicans covered with oil and such.

And, yes, I do believe things will be pretty much back to normal in terms of the productivity of the ecosystems themselves by this time next year. I don't know that; but it's what I believe. In fact, again, I don't think the productivity of Gulf ecosystems is going to be affected much at ANY point. I think the big problem isn't going to be that there is actually a substantial decline in fisheries species populations. I think the big problem is that people who depend on those fisheries can't fish because of closures designed to maintain seafood consumer confidence. We'll see.

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Thank you Obama your administration just loses and loses jobs almost at the rate of that oil leak.

It would be unfair to expect the leak to keep up with Obamas numbers.

The HATER SPEAKS

"...An awful lot of innocent people are having their livelihoods severely impacted," said Lee Hunt, president of the International Association of Drilling Contractors, who has estimated the moratorium could lead to the loss of as many as 40,000 U.S. jobs by summer's end....

....The government should not penalize all companies out there for one oil company's mistake," said Don Robin, operations manager for Offshore Air & Refrigerators....

....Brenda Hingle, president of Art Catering Inc., an oilfield housekeeping and catering services company in Belle Chasse, La., said that about 130 of her employees will be out of work if offshore drilling is completely shut down, though she hasn't yet laid off people. She currently employs approximately 460 people who work offshore, and all of her revenue comes from servicing offshore production and drilling sites. Her company provided catering to the Deepwater Horizon.

Shutting down drilling "will be devastating, it will be really devastating," Ms. Hingle said."
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Obama to Reopen Oil Drilling
Shallow Offshore Exploration Could Resume in Days as Economic Woes Mount
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Well, shallow water is a start, but the deep water moratorium is going to further kill the Gulf states economies.

BDKJMU wrote:Obama to Reopen Oil Drilling
Shallow Offshore Exploration Could Resume in Days as Economic Woes Mount
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Well, shallow water is a start, but the deep water moratorium is going to further kill the Gulf states economies.

Make BP offer every single one of the out of work guys jobs cleaning up the mess... and for higher pay.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

BDKJMU wrote:Obama to Reopen Oil Drilling
Shallow Offshore Exploration Could Resume in Days as Economic Woes Mount
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Well, shallow water is a start, but the deep water moratorium is going to further kill the Gulf states economies.

Make BP offer every single one of the out of work guys jobs cleaning up the mess... and for higher pay.

Ok, genius, explain how the fed is going to be able to legally force BP to do that.

BDKJMU wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:
Make BP offer every single one of the out of work guys jobs cleaning up the mess... and for higher pay.

Ok, genius, explain how the fed is going to be able to legally force BP to do that.

If you or I committed the manslaughter of 11 eleven people, and spilled billions of gallons of oil we would be prosectuted and forced to pay restitution to the victims and they're families. Are you suggesting that's not possible?
Or perhaps it's a state enforcement issue?

It would be interesting to get one of our lawyer's points of view.